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Ashley Barnes question

Postby Tricky Trevor » Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:58 pm

Ash has scored 39 goals for us:37 league, 1 fa cup & 1 europe.
4 were pens and 2 were flukes but for how many has he taken more than 2 touches?

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby Hibsclaret » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:05 pm

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby Tricky Trevor » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:14 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:None

Winner. Possibility of a 3 away to Spurs but it was a bobble.
32,inc pens, were single touch. 7 headers, 3 left foot & 22 right.
If he doesn’t have to think he’s deadly.

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby Conroy92 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:20 pm

Interesting stat. Was nice to see MOTD showing his improvment curve. Could well get 15 this season with that start!

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby Hibsclaret » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:25 pm

He’s always been someone you would describe as a scorer of great goals rather than a great goal scorer. However, the year on year stats shown on MOTD highlight he is moving nearer to being defined as a great goal scorer.

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby Burnley1989 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:26 pm

Conroy92 wrote:Interesting stat. Was nice to see MOTD showing his improvment curve. Could well get 15 this season with that start!



I’ll be the first to admit I thought it would be Barnes Jay would dislodge as I do think he will get 1 of those 2 spots but Saturday reminded me of the absolute monster of a player Ash is
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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby FactualFrank » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:28 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:I’ll be the first to admit I thought it would be Barnes Jay would dislodge as I do think he will get 1 of those 2 spots but Saturday reminded me of the absolute monster of a player Ash is


I never expected SD to break the Wood-Barnes partnership. Just as he wouldn't have dropped Taylor had he not been injured. Very sound man management from him.

99.9% of football fans see players on paper, they don't take into account the morale, which is huge. SD did right by sticking with the players that did so well for him last season which is why Jay was on the bench - and will continue to be on the bench until something happens. Drinkwater will be on the bench when he's fit.

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby NL Claret » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:29 pm

I've no idea but it made me think about the Swansea player shaking his hand before the 2nd half kicked off.

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby Tricky Trevor » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:37 pm

23-3-14. Charlton H 1
10-4-14. Barnsley H 1
22-4-14. Wigan. L 1
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9-11-14. Hull. H 1
14-12-14 So’pton. R 1
21-12-14 Spurs. R 2
30-12-14 Man City. R 1
9-2-15. WBA. H 1
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5-11-16 Cry. Pal. L 1
20-12-16 Spurs. R 1
31-12-16 Sun’land R 1(pen)
4-2-17. Watford. R 1(pen)
12-3-17. Liverpool R 1
29-4-17. Cry.Pal. L 2
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18-11-17 Swansea R 2
12-12-17 Stoke. R 2
26-12-17 Man.Utd R 1
6-1-18. Man. C. R 2(fa cup)
24-2-18. So’pton. H 1
3-3-18. Everton R 1
10-3-18. WHU. R 1
31-3-18. WBA. R 1
19-4-18 Chelsea. R 1(fluke off heel)
22-4-18 Stoke. R 1(fluke off knee)
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2-8-18 Aberdeen. R 1(pen)(EL)
22-9-18 B’mouth R 1
—“—. R 1
22-12-18 Arsenal. R 1
2-1-19. H’field. R 2
29-1-19. Man.U. L 1
2-2-19. So’pton. R 1(pen)
9-2-19. BHA. R 1(pen)
23-2-19 Spurs. R 1
2-3-19. Cry.Pal. H 1
6-4-19. B’mouth. R 1
22-4-19. Chelsea. R 1
12-5-19. Arsenal. H 1
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10-8-19 So’pton. R 2
—“—. R 1
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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby Cleveleys_claret » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:39 pm

The guy epitomises everything we are about as a football club. There have been many fantastic players through the doors over the last few years but no one comes close to Ashley in epitomising everything we are about. Absolutely love the guy. He has developed so much. 3 or 4 years ago I worried each time he was on the pitch as he played so close to the edge I always felt he was at risk of a red card. He has grown so much and become much cleverer in his game. The finishing has always been there as shown against Wigan in his 1st season. I dont think there are many as clinical as he is.

What other player in the top flight would even considering buying a minibus to ferry players to and from training. Mr Burnley for me
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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby Bosscat » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:04 pm

You only have to see the passion when he scores for us (be it one touch, 2 touches, off his head, heel or even his A**e)

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He is Mr Burnley and has been for 6 years

https://youtu.be/mFzAUsCwtc4

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby ClaretTony » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:09 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I never expected SD to break the Wood-Barnes partnership.


There were one or two surprises when I predicted in my match preview that Barnes & Wood would start but they did so well together last season I thought Dyche would stick with them.
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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby ClaretTony » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:11 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:The finishing has always been there as shown against Wigan in his 1st season.


I thought of that goal yesterday just because of the way he took the second goal.

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby Hibsclaret » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:13 pm

They were on fire last season and I think he probably regrets not getting them together earlier in the campaign tbh.

They don’t play like any other pair in the prem which makes them very awkward to handle.

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby claretblue » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:14 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:If he doesn’t have to think he’s deadly.


like many on here! ;)

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby dsr » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:28 pm

Southampton fans are critical of their goalkeeper for letting the first goal through his legs, but there were two factors that made it harder than it looked: one, Barnes hit it very early, while it was still bouncing up after the first bounce, which meant the keeper had no time to set himself; and two, it was hit very hard which means the goalkeeper didn't have time to react.

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby Juan Tanamera » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:30 pm

Don't underestimate Ashley's skill. The way he controlled the ball on his thigh, in difficult conditions, was first class.
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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby Cleveleys_claret » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:33 pm

Juan Tanamera wrote:Don't underestimate Ashley's skill. The way he controlled the ball on his thigh, in difficult conditions, was first class.


There arent many players who can stop a ball dead like Ashley. His control of long balls is unbelievable. The way he can trap it, or cushion it to bring it under control is not matched by many. He is so much more than opposing teams supporters see
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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby Bosscat » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:40 pm

dsr wrote:Southampton fans are critical of their goalkeeper for letting the first goal through his legs, but there were two factors that made it harder than it looked: one, Barnes hit it very early, while it was still bouncing up after the first bounce, which meant the keeper had no time to set himself; and two, it was hit very hard which means the goalkeeper didn't have time to react.

You missed the third fact

Ashley kicked it between his legs (Southampton fans know Gunn is bandy legged)

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby FactualFrank » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:44 pm

When people said "nuts" I thought it was because they'd creamed themselves over the control.

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby TheFamilyCat » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:46 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I never expected SD to break the Wood-Barnes partnership. Just as he wouldn't have dropped Taylor had he not been injured. Very sound man management from him.

99.9% of football fans see players on paper, they don't take into account the morale, which is huge. SD did right by sticking with the players that did so well for him last season which is why Jay was on the bench - and will continue to be on the bench until something happens. Drinkwater will be on the bench when he's fit.


Not sure if this is most appropriate thread to put this on, but it was noticeable on MOTD last night how few of all club’s new signings started yesterday.

Some of our fans seemed to want about half a dozen new faces to walk straight into the team.

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby FactualFrank » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:48 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Not sure if this is most appropriate thread to put this on, but it was noticeable on MOTD last night how few of all club’s new signings started yesterday.

Some of our fans seemed to want about half a dozen new faces to walk straight into the team.


That's my point TFC, Dyche (and many managers) don't just allow players to sign up and walk in - they have to work their balls off to get in. Rightly so.

The number of our posters on here who wanted Jay to start ahead of Barnes is frightening. What - off a few friendlies? Give over. Wood and Barnes stays because of what they did last season. Friendlies are there to give new players minutes and get players up to speed.

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby TheFamilyCat » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:51 pm

I know that, I just backed up what you said by pointing out it isn’t just SD and Burnley who have that approach.
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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby jedi_master » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:53 pm

I’m biased as I’m a Burnley fan and clearly in love with Ashley Barnes, but I do genuinely feel he should be under consideration for an England squad place.

Kane, Rashford are obvious, after that you’re looking at the likes of Callum Wilson etc and I feel Barnes record over the last two seasons and the start of this is comparable to any. He deserves a shot - and he’s such a pest, people cannot handle him.
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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby exilecanada » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:16 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:The guy epitomises everything we are about as a football club. There have been many fantastic players through the doors over the last few years but no one comes close to Ashley in epitomising everything we are about. Absolutely love the guy. He has developed so much. 3 or 4 years ago I worried each time he was on the pitch as he played so close to the edge I always felt he was at risk of a red card. He has grown so much and become much cleverer in his game. The finishing has always been there as shown against Wigan in his 1st season. I dont think there are many as clinical as he is.

What other player in the top flight would even considering buying a minibus to ferry players to and from training. Mr Burnley for me



Bingo…….Our ‘Bashley’ is the heart and soul of what the current Clarets are all about. He’s not the most naturally skilled player, but the guy shows up for work EVERY day and give it his all. Opposing defenders must hate playing against him, an old style striker in the Andy Lochead mold, arguably Dyche’s best signing. A true team player.
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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby Rileybobs » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:25 pm

exilecanada wrote:Bingo…….Our ‘Bashley’ is the heart and soul of what the current Clarets are all about. He’s not the most naturally skilled player, but the guy shows up for work EVERY day and give it his all. Opposing defenders must hate playing against him, an old style striker in the Andy Lochead mold, arguably Dyche’s best signing. A true team player.


I know this is a positive post so not a criticism, but I don’t buy comments about Barnes not being the most naturally skilled. He’s easily one of the most technically gifted players at Burnley. The fact that he likes to mix it up shouldn’t deter from that. His touch is fantastic and he strikes a ball better than anyone else at the club.
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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby Claretforever » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:17 am

It’s easy to forget he was out so long after doing his ACL at Villa in May 2015. It’s not bothered him one bit. In fact I think it just made him angry... :D
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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby South West Claret. » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:22 am

A natural goalscorer is one who is in the right place at the right time and basher usually does both.

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby Bosscat » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:23 am

What some Southampton fans think of our Ashley....

From the lower reaches of the Tinterwebby thingy....

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"Saints fans took to Twitter after the game to express their anger.

One Southampton fan Lee Gregory said: "The wind blew it away from the defender and to that rude and abusive striker."

Another added: "World class assist from the wind for Ashley Barnes’ goal yesterday versus Southampton."

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Awwwwwwe poor ickle Soton fans a weeping and a wailing..... my heart bleeds.

So Ash is a rude and abusive striker huh :lol: :lol: :lol:
We love him Southampton ... We absolutely love him :D

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby Tinribs » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:36 am

The first touch of his thigh to take the ball away from the defender and give him the room to strike was absolute quality.Any of the Foreign elite from the prem scoring that goal and it would have been talked about much more
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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby Woodleyclaret » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:55 am

"Foreign shite" isnt Ash part Austrian?

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby SalisburyClaret » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:23 am

Austrians won't have him as he's not pure Austrian (racial purity is quite important in those parts)
England won't have him as he's not played in the U16, U18, U21 gateway
Scores more goals than Rashford though

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby Tall Paul » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:39 am

SalisburyClaret wrote:Austrians won't have him as he's not pure Austrian (racial purity is quite important in those parts)
England won't have him as he's not played in the U16, U18, U21 gateway
Scores more goals than Rashford though


Rashford has 27 PL goals in 111 games
Barnes has 32 in 136

Rashford's record is slightly better in terms of goals per game but they're very similar and Rashford is much younger.

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby Fretters » Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:47 pm

I wonder if Brighton fans are still obsessing about letting him go? I think there was a long running thread on their message board that was being updated every time he scored.

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby ClaretTony » Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:50 pm

jedi_master wrote: and he’s such a pest, people cannot handle him.


Ben Mee was asked about Barnes after Saturday’s game. He said he’s a nightmare to play against.

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby PaintYorkClaretnBlue » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:10 pm

Rileybobs wrote:I know this is a positive post so not a criticism, but I don’t buy comments about Barnes not being the most naturally skilled. He’s easily one of the most technically gifted players at Burnley. The fact that he likes to mix it up shouldn’t deter from that. His touch is fantastic and he strikes a ball better than anyone else at the club.


I agree, he’s got an absolute bullet of a shot. The ball has gone past the keeper before he’s realised that Barnes is about to shoot!

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby martin_p » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:13 pm

Bosscat wrote:What some Southampton fans think of our Ashley....

From the lower reaches of the Tinterwebby thingy....

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"Saints fans took to Twitter after the game to express their anger.

One Southampton fan Lee Gregory said: "The wind blew it away from the defender and to that rude and abusive striker."

Another added: "World class assist from the wind for Ashley Barnes’ goal yesterday versus Southampton."

.....................

Awwwwwwe poor ickle Soton fans a weeping and a wailing..... my heart bleeds.

So Ash is a rude and abusive striker huh :lol: :lol: :lol:
We love him Southampton ... We absolutely love him :D


The wind clearly gave Ash a shout then as he knew exactly where the ball was going to land.
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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby tiger76 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:23 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Rashford has 27 PL goals in 111 games
Barnes has 32 in 136

Rashford's record is slightly better in terms of goals per game but they're very similar and Rashford is much younger.


Interesting stats,but how many chances did Rashford need to got those goals?,and how many were penalties?.

Barnes doesn't often miss when he gets a sight of goal,take Saturday he had 3 chances,buried 2 of them and hit the woodwork from a narrow angle with the 3rd.

Rashford took his goal really well yesterday and hopefully for England and Man Utd this will be his season to shine,Lukaku's out the door now so he'll be the main man for them.

Despite scoring a brace Ash doesn't feature in Garth Crook's team of the week,he's got Aubameyang,Kane and Sterling up front.

The latter two fair enough,but Aubameyang was pretty quiet on Tyneside,his goal apart.

The biggest compliment towards Barnes is defenders hate playing against him.

For a guy who cost less than a million to be averaging 1 in 4 in the PL is amazing,and crucially his strike rate is improving year-on-year,wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't far off 1 in 2 this season.

And he's also scored against all the big boys,arguably Sean's most important signing,and there's been some good ones down the years.

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby jedi_master » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:29 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Ben Mee was asked about Barnes after Saturday’s game. He said he’s a nightmare to play against.


It’s clear to see, as even when he’s got no chance of winning the bell he’s very clever with his backing in, and his (to quote my Dad) “using his arse and his arms”.

His entire body makes him the player he is rather than just relying on pace/touch (albeit, his touch is fantastic, be that with chest, toe or knee - he can take any ball down).

Massive fan of him and it’s been great seeing his improvement year on year. Absolutely priceless to us.

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby Tall Paul » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:48 pm

tiger76 wrote:Interesting stats,but how many chances did Rashford need to got those goals?,and how many were penalties?.


Just had a look and those stats don't include this weekend, so they both have 2 more goals from one more appearance.

Rashford's 29 goals have come from 209 shots with just one penalty and Barnes' has taken 240 shots for his 34 goals with 4 penalties. So, again pretty similar with Rashford slightly better.

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby AndyClaret » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:10 pm

Fretters wrote:I wonder if Brighton fans are still obsessing about letting him go? I think there was a long running thread on their message board that was being updated every time he scored.


Yep, it got another bump !

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby ClaretTony » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:11 pm

jedi_master wrote:It’s clear to see, as even when he’s got no chance of winning the bell he’s very clever with his backing in, and his (to quote my Dad) “using his arse and his arms”.

His entire body makes him the player he is rather than just relying on pace/touch (albeit, his touch is fantastic, be that with chest, toe or knee - he can take any ball down).

Massive fan of him and it’s been great seeing his improvement year on year. Absolutely priceless to us.


When we first signed him I never thought it possible that he would become as good as he has. On the subject of using his arse and arms, there was no one better at it than Kenny Dalglish.

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby Aclaret » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:21 pm

Ashley Barnes, like a fine bottle of Claret seems to get better with age.

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby Longsider » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:12 pm

And those Belmtard Brighton Fans continue to keep a thread going about our Ash.
https://www.northstandchat.com/showthre ... us/page148

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby dougcollins » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:26 pm

Ash (I reckon) learnt early on he would never be the best in the world, but instant control and hitting it early would catch people out.

He's one of the best at it, even Ian Wright admitted that.

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby Swizzlestick » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:52 pm

Longsider wrote:And those Belmtard Brighton Fans continue to keep a thread going about our Ash.
https://www.northstandchat.com/showthre ... us/page148


“Barnes has proved his worth at an agricultural club”

They really are an odious set of fans.

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby barba » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:55 pm

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby dougcollins » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:00 pm

Brighton.

Last time I was down there I said I remembered throwing money in a bucket to save you ungrateful *****.

I should have asked for a refund.

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Re: Ashley Barnes question

Postby Longsider » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:01 pm



Like that.


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