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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by tiger76 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:23 pm

Helpfully the Beeb have posted the laws on short-pitched bowling,which are as follows.

41.6.1 The bowling of short pitched deliveries is dangerous if the bowler’s end umpire considers that, taking into consideration the skill of the striker, by their speed, length, height and direction they are likely to inflict physical injury on him/her. The fact that the striker is wearing protective equipment shall be disregarded.

41.6.2 The bowler’s end umpire may consider that the bowling of short pitched deliveries, although not dangerous under 41.6.1, is unfair if they repeatedly pass above head height of the striker standing upright at the crease. See also Law 21.10 (Ball bouncing over head height of striker).

41.6.3 As soon as the umpire decides that the bowling of short pitched deliveries has become dangerous under 41.6.1, or unfair under 41.6.2, he/she shall call and signal No ball. When the ball is dead, the umpire shall caution the bowler, indicating that this is a first and final warning, and inform the other umpire, the captain of the fielding side and the batsmen of what has occurred.

This caution shall apply to that bowler throughout the innings.

Hope that clears up any queries.

Come on Jofra give them some back son. ;)

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:23 pm

Brilliant - Warner gone for 3 - bowled Broad

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:23 pm

Warner gone

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by tiger76 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:29 pm

Nice to see the cheating git fail again,be good to get Smith to the crease tonight if we can,258 could be a decent score after all,this pitch definitely offers something for the bowlers,the balls beating the bat regularly.

Can Warner be officially recorded as Stuart Broad's rabbit,3 in 3 for Broady in this series,and Warner's not reached double figures yet. :)

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by tiger76 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:35 pm

Four slips in place i like that from England attack while we're on top,good to see such intent.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by expoultryboy » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:45 pm

Going back to Cummins and his persistent bouncers , the Aussies seem to have short memories after what happened to Phil Hughes !!

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by tiger76 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:57 pm

How on earth has Jofra not got a wicket so far,he's constantly beating the bat,surely an edge has to happen soon.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by willsclarets » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:22 pm

Poor day for England all told. The pitch is far better than 258, and so many shots that didn't need to be played fishing at the ball. That said the Aussies aren't the best batting team (with the odd notable exception), a strong morning session and it's game on.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Spijed » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:36 am

Poor bowling from England so far.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Bosscat » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:48 am

60 - 3 come on England

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:23 pm

Good umpiring :D

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Bosscat » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:28 pm

71-4 (pity it wasn't Smith)

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:35 pm

How is Smith so good?

He looks awful this morning, but you know he will be their top scorer.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by box_of_frogs » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:50 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Good umpiring :D
That was an absolute shocker from Aleem Dar.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by tiger76 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:57 pm

Good morning for England but Smith is still there,until England see the back of him they'll be nervous.

1st test wicket for Jofra,Broad and Woakes the other wicket takers.

Wade given out LBW,but decision overturned on review as ball was pitching outside leg.

Drizzle falling but they're carrying on the moment,if England could get a lead of 50 or so,they could still force a result,but we'll have to bat much better than the 1st innings.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by !aiboforceN » Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:41 pm

I can only assume Mr Dar thought there was a faint edge. Can't think of any other reason for Not Out.
But - even so - it was a million times more out than not - and the batsman will always review it if he's hit it.
Really odd.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by TheFamilyCat » Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:55 pm

Said on the radio that there was two noises at hit clipped his front pad before the back. Could explain why he thought there was an edge.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by tiger76 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:36 pm

Unless there is a dramatic collapse from either of this sides,which can't be ruled out,this test has a dead duck draw written all over it i'm afraid.

Still raining and the chances of any more play today are slim to none.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:42 pm

Smith retired hurt after getting hit on the neck by Archer. He was clearly rattled by short, fast stuff a couple of overs earlier. Why wait until he’s on 80-odd before we start giving him some?

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by tiger76 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:45 pm

Aussies 203-6 Smith still there,but Archer's causing him plenty of discomfort,he's even struck him on the arm,and now the head during a hostile spell including a 96 MPH delivery,this chap will be a crowd-pleaser that's for sure.

I'm not condoning sport-pitched bowling,but the Aussies can hardly complain after their tactics on day 2.

Wickets for Archer and Broad today.

Smith's having to retire hurt on 80,hopefully he'll be OK,but it's possible he's suffered concussion.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by tiger76 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:50 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Smith retired hurt after getting hit on the neck by Archer. He was clearly rattled by short, fast stuff a couple of overs earlier. Why wait until he’s on 80-odd before we start giving him some?
Mitchell Johnson summed it up very well.

'It makes you feel sick to the gut'

Mitchell Johnson

Ex-Australia bowler on BBC Test Match Special

We have always said it is part of the game. The team was right behind Archer and we saw Cummins doing it the other day but it makes you feel sick in the gut.

I feel for the doctor that has to make that decision as well.

Obviously you don't wish to injure the batsman,but this style of bowling is part of the game,whether we like it or not,and the Aussies weren't slow in targeting Archer the other day,which as people stated at the time probably wasn't the smartest idea.
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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:52 pm

tiger76 wrote:Aussies 203-6 Smith still there,but Archer's causing him plenty of discomfort,he's even struck him on the arm,and now the head during a hostile spell including a 96 MPH delivery,this chap will be a crowd-pleaser that's for sure.

I'm not condoning sport-pitched bowling,but the Aussies can hardly complain after their tactics on day 2.

Wickets for Archer and Broad today.

Smith's having to retire hurt on 80,hopefully he'll be OK,but it's possible he's suffered concussion.
I am condoning short pitched bowling. It’s part of the game and has been for years (although a shortage of genuine quick in recent years has made it less so). If the best batsman in the world has a perceived weakness, why would you not exploit it?

And I doubt Johnson was “sick to the gut” when he was terrorising our batsmen.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Foulthrow » Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:56 pm

Foulthrow wrote:He just keeps going. Absolutely peppering Archer (which might not be the brightest idea).
Reap what you sow.


But as much as I don’t like Smith you don’t want to see him forced off hurt. Hope he’s ok.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Spijed » Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:58 pm

Foulthrow wrote:Reap what you sow.


But as much as I don’t like Smith you don’t want to see him forced off hurt. Hope he’s ok.
Replying to your own posts?

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:58 pm

Foulthrow wrote:Reap what you sow.


But as much as I don’t like Smith you don’t want to see him forced off hurt. Hope he’s ok.
No, i’d much prefer to see him rattled then dismissed legitimately.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Foulthrow » Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:00 pm

Spijed wrote:Replying to your own posts?
Just wanting to highlight that the Aussies went at England’s lower order with (IMO) too much short stuff. Ironically, it is one of Australia’s top order who ended up getting hurt.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:01 pm

That was sickening. From one angle it looked to strike his neck below his helmet. Doctor spot on to get him off for examination.
Good luck to him.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by tiger76 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:12 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:I am condoning short pitched bowling. It’s part of the game and has been for years (although a shortage of genuine quick in recent years has made it less so). If the best batsman in the world has a perceived weakness, why would you not exploit it?

And I doubt Johnson was “sick to the gut” when he was terrorising our batsmen.
The difference in this England side with Archer,is for the 1st time in many years we have a genuine fast bowler who can rattle batsman with raw pace.

He doesn't just have pace though he also has direction and that's what batsman hate,if someone's firing 90MPH+ bouncers down the leg side,they're easy to evade,however if the ball is aimed at the body or the stumps the batsman has to play,and that's where Jofra is mature beyond his years.

Archer being trusted with the new ball along with Woakes,England could do with knocking these tail-enders over quickly the leads only 40,and Lyon will fancy bowling into these footholes.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by tiger76 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:34 pm

Cummins gone and Smith resumes his innings whatever your thoughts about the sandpaper incident the lads got lots of bottle coming back out.

230-7 now just 28 behind surely Archer has to come on for a quick burst before tea,England can't afford for the Aussies to get a lead of 50 or so,there's still plenty of time for a result in this match,despite all the rain delays.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Spijed » Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:35 pm

Smith out 92

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Dark Cloud » Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:38 pm

Strange dismissal of Smith. Did he REALLY pass the "concussion test"?

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by tiger76 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:45 pm

Woakes owes Archer a big hand for his part in that wicket,he clearly unsettled Smith,be an intriguing contest in the Headingley test now.

Looks like England will be batting after tea,i have a feeling that'll be pretty intense,i don't foresee many pitched-up deliveries that's for sure.

Roy's spilt a catch now,can he do anything right in this test :roll:

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by tiger76 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:53 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:Strange dismissal of Smith. Did he REALLY pass the "concussion test"?
I'm not certain how much time there was between his retirement and the resumption of his innings,but i'd guess about 30 minutes,that's not very long after a serious blow like he sustained.

You'd imagine if Smith's in any way feeling the affects he won't field during England's innings,so we'll have to wait and see.

Update on Smith.

More on Steve Smith from Cricket Australia: "Prior to the blow to his neck, Steve suffered a bruised left arm. He was given a compression bandage on the field of play to reduce the swelling and he took a painkiller. The arm was then iced in the dressing room before he returned to bat following the blow to his neck. It’ll be assessed on an ongoing basis."

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by tiger76 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 4:16 pm

250 all out,so England have a slender lead of merely 8,important that we bat solidly in this next session,and don't give the Aussies any encouragement,that they could force a win.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Bosscat » Sat Aug 17, 2019 4:52 pm

Roy and Root gone 9-2 in 2nd innings ffs

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by tiger76 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 4:54 pm

Roy gone for 2 9-1. :o he surely can't play in the next test.

9-2 Root out 1st ball.

Both to Cummins.

Absolute shambles again,why do the bowlers bother. :roll:

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Aug 17, 2019 4:58 pm

Weak, fragile and big time Charlie's...Root, Buttler, Stokes & Bairstow are part of the undroppable lads club

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Post by Herts Clarets » Sat Aug 17, 2019 4:59 pm

I can see England losing this. 2 down before we reach double figures and virtually no lead from the first innings. Our batting in the main is a shambles

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:01 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:I can see England losing this. 2 down before we reach double figures and virtually no lead from the first innings. Our batting in the main is a shambles
No surprise tho. We have concentrated on the one day game for the last 4 years and continue to reward them with test places. So many all rounders when what we need is batsmen.

It really is a shambles at the moment.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by box_of_frogs » Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:03 pm

Time for Root to give up the captaincy.
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Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:06 pm

Totally agree,Root’s batting has gone rapidly downhill since he was made captain. He is too negative to be captain.

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Post by tiger76 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:09 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:I can see England losing this. 2 down before we reach double figures and virtually no lead from the first innings. Our batting in the main is a shambles
We need a couple of partnerships,but i wouldn't bank on it with this line up,if England could get a lead of 150,this game is still alive,because no-one has looked comfortable on this pitch.

Even Steve Smith had to battle for his runs,but getting another 100+ is going to be tough,and that's before Lyon bowls.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:15 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:Time for Root to give up the captaincy.
That assumes of course that our selectors don't have the instincts and guts to do the right thing and replace him. Selecting Denley and Roy and persisting with Root as captain for this series tells us a lot.

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Post by TheFamilyCat » Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:21 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:That assumes of course that our selectors don't have the instincts and guts to do the right thing and replace him. Selecting Denley and Roy and persisting with Root as captain for this series tells us a lot.
Denly played ok in the first innings but didn’t capitalise on his start. This is a big innings for him.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by tiger76 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:29 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:That assumes of course that our selectors don't have the instincts and guts to do the right thing and replace him. Selecting Denley and Roy and persisting with Root as captain for this series tells us a lot.
The argument is that there is no-one better to replace them,but if that's the case it doesn't say much for the CC,the likes of Dom Sibley have to be given a shot,they can't be any worse.

As for the captaincy i'd give Stokes a go for the rest of the series,he's the vice-captain so it's not a huge leap.

28-2 now so a partial recovery,the leads over 30.

Lyon's coming on we need to play him well to have a chance tomorrow.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by tiger76 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:36 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Denly played ok in the first innings but didn’t capitalise on his start. This is a big innings for him.
Just been dropped on 7,that might be the luck he needs,Warner shelled a chance.

A 30/40 here could be useful.every run is a prisoner in this situation.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:37 pm

Problem is we have no replacements in the batting department.
Surely Vince, Malan, Keaton Jennings,Duckett Ballance , Lythe etc have had numerous chances and are no better.
The Aussies have had Siddle playing red ball cricket in England before this Test Series whilst ours have not played any red ball cricket.

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Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:38 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Denly played ok in the first innings but didn’t capitalise on his start. This is a big innings for him.
Taken from the BBC website:
Ben Thapa: Great tactical drop there from Warner in a desperate attempt to keep Denly in the England side.
Harsh but true IMO

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by tiger76 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:45 pm

The Aussies should have reviewed that LBW shot from Lyon to Burns.

Well then. That lbw shout off Nathan Lyon? The technology suggets it was going on to hit Rory Burns' stumps.

That's a missed opportunity for Australia. Justin Langer, up on the balcony, is furious. He's got a stress ball clutched in his fist!

I think that's twice now that Australia - and Nathan Lyon in particular - have had an lbw shout against Rory Burns, decided not to review it, and it was going on to hit the stumps.

I'm sure that'll cheer Justin Langer up even more.

Fine margins to quote Sir Sean.

Leads past 50,decent partnership this,albeit with some fortune.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:46 pm

DAVETHEVICAR wrote:Problem is we have no replacements in the batting department.
Surely Vince, Malan, Keaton Jennings,Duckett Ballance , Lythe etc have had numerous chances and are no better.
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Ok, for starters: Dom Sibley is 10, (yes 10 years younger than Denly). He's a better batter and can only improve.
Sam Curran would give us an extra bowling option, and will make more runs than Roy batting down the order, and the rest can all shift up a position. I've no problem with Woakes at 7 and Curran at 8.
Those 2 changes don't take much thinking about IMO.
And Foakes appears a better option behind the stumps than either Bairstow or Buttler
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