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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:09 pm

Archer could have won us the Ashes in the last 24 hours.

They are properly rattled.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by HunterST_BFC » Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:12 pm

I think we need Archer to concuss Roy in the nets before Leeds

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by ClaretDiver » Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:27 pm

HunterST_BFC wrote:I think we need Archer to concuss Roy in the nets before Leeds
I actually don't think that is funny and is in poor taste given what happened to Hughsy in similar circumstances!

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Spijed » Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:37 pm

Btw, when did the new rule come in that you could replace a batsman or bowler like for like?

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by FCBurnley » Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:42 pm

So can anybody clear this up for me. Smith gets hit on arm. Carries on batting. Then gets hit on helmet. Goes off for concussion check. Comes back out to bat in attempt to get a century. After he is out he goes for xray on his arm. Aussies then claim delayed concussion and play a sub. Smith now saying he expects to play at Headingley ! Sounds like more Aussie cheating to me.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:44 pm

Spijed wrote:Btw, when did the new rule come in that you could replace a batsman or bowler like for like?
It's a new rule relating to just concussions. That's why England couldn't replace Anderson in the 1st Test.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by JarrowClaret » Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:58 pm

Wow how special is Archer?

Aussies not cheating, Smith passed the concussion tests yesterday failed them today so gets changed, totally sensible and fair and in keeping with the new rules.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by JarrowClaret » Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:59 pm

I would expect Smith will be out for 10 days now though

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by FCBurnley » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:01 pm

How convenient

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by FCBurnley » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:02 pm

Says on bbc he is expecting to play in next test

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by JarrowClaret » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:03 pm

Don’t think getting hit on the head by a cricket ball at 90MPH is particularly convenient but hey everyone to there own.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by ClaretDiver » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:04 pm

Bancroft gone now!

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Claretmatt4 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:21 pm

Sub doing well to defend the wicket. Archer is superb

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:27 pm

We scored too many for them to chase.

We should of been bold and give them 215 to chase. Just out of reach but low enough to keep them interested.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Claretmatt4 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:46 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:We scored too many for them to chase.

We should of been bold and give them 215 to chase. Just out of reach but low enough to keep them interested.
Easy to look back and say that but I was thinking the same earlier today. You have to gi e them a total they can reach to tempt them surely.

Looked like they waited until Stokes got his ton as well which is poor, team has to come first. 5 extra overs of bowling might have been a big difference maker

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:57 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:We scored too many for them to chase.

We should of been bold and give them 215 to chase. Just out of reach but low enough to keep them interested.
I’m not sure if would have made much difference. At 19-2 I think they would’ve shut up shop anyway.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Claretmatt4 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:41 pm

Not out for me, definitely hit the ground first.

132-4 but looking like a miracle needed

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Spijed » Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:47 pm

Players must know whether they've caught a ball or not.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Spijed » Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:51 pm

I just hope the Aussies don't start insinuating that Root cheated as it could easily affect his game.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by dandeclaret » Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:53 pm

Spijed wrote:Players must know whether they've caught a ball or not.

Why must they?

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Leisure » Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:57 pm

Claretmatt4 wrote:Not out for me, definitely hit the ground first
Agree. How the 3rd umpire couldn't see that I'm not sure. Also, not sure what the original umpires decision of out had on the out decision, if indeed it did.
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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:58 pm

Spijed wrote:I just hope the Aussies don't start insinuating that Root cheated as it could easily affect his game.
I’m sure he’ll think “**** them”.

One angle looked like he didn’t catch it, another one looked like he did.

That’s why they have the soft signal.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Leisure » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:00 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:I’m sure he’ll think “**** them”.

One angle looked like he didn’t catch it, another one looked like he did.

That’s why they have the soft signal.
The side view was inconclusive but on the head on it was plain to see that it hit the ground before going in the hands.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:02 pm

Leisure wrote:The side view was inconclusive but on the head on it was plain to see that it hit the ground before going in the hands.
Like the commentators said. We have the same every time we see a catch like that.
Different angles show different things.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Leisure » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:11 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Like the commentators said. We have the same every time we see a catch like that.
Different angles show different things.
Agree but surely if one angle actually shows that it bounced then it should be not out.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:18 pm

Not if the other one looked like his fingers were underneath and he’s been given out with the soft signal.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Claretmatt4 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:20 pm

It will be immaterial anyway!

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:32 pm

I've got tickets for Headingley on Thursday, really looking forward to it now, just hope the weather plays ball.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:34 pm

Brilliant Test match for a rain affected draw.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:36 pm

Spijed wrote:I just hope the Aussies don't start insinuating that Root cheated as it could easily affect his game.
Hope so, it might inspire him to get some runs.
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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Bosscat » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:44 pm

jrgbfc wrote:I've got tickets for Headingley on Thursday, really looking forward to it now, just hope the weather plays ball.
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You should be OK

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by nil_desperandum » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:48 pm

If there was any doubt I think that Roy ensured that he won't be selected for Headingley after today.
I think that we would have probably won this test had he taken that routine catch.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by tiger76 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:26 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:If there was any doubt I think that Roy ensured that he won't be selected for Headingley after today.
I think that we would have probably won this test had he taken that routine catch.
Roy's confidence is shot i'm afraid,but if he doesn't play at Headingley who on earth replaces him?.

And this is the problem that England have.

The fielding from both sides was surprisingly shoddy in this test.

The quick turn around should benefit England,they are the team with the wind in their sails.

And the Aussies struggled to contain Archer,he brings that x-factor.

And Leach had a good test which should give him belief he belongs at this level.

Great to see Stokes score a ton,and Buttler and Bairstow support him handily,I'd definitely bat ben at 5 from now on.

England do still have issues in the top 4,Roy,Root and Denly don't look like troubling the scorers overly much,and Burns will fail at some stage.

But on the opposite side the Aussies also have problems in their top 4 Bancroft,Warner and Khawaja failed again,Labuschagne scoring runs won't surprise anyone who follows the CC,he's piled on plenty for Glamorgan this season,but if Steve Smith does miss out it will be a major blow for them.

You wonder if that will be seen as a Glenn McGrath 2005 moment when he trod on the ball prior to the 2nd test at Edgbaston,the momentum shifted almost immediately,and although he returned for the 4th test England had the bit between their teeth by then.

Over the 2 matches i haven't seen a huge gulf between these teams,Smith's brilliance was the difference at Birmingham,and Lyon is a world-class spinner,but he came up empty-handed in England's 2nd innings and went for a 100+,that can't improve his confidence.

According to the forecasters,the weather's set fair for all 5 days in Leeds,so touch wood we get another engrossing test.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by nil_desperandum » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:13 pm

tiger76 wrote:Roy's confidence is shot i'm afraid,but if he doesn't play at Headingley who on earth replaces him?.

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Well they might as well give Dom Sibley a go. He's young and has potential.
OK, he got a duck today but he has almost 1000 runs in Div 1 and averages just short of 60.
As you say Roy is shot, so they could try any of the younger openers with no loss to the team.
(I note that Ballance also got a duck today and Lyth scored 4, but they've had their chances)

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Spijed » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:21 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Well they might as well give Dom Sibley a go. He's young and has potential.
OK, he got a duck today but he has almost 1000 runs in Div 1 and averages just short of 60.
As you say Roy is shot, so they could try any of the younger openers with no loss to the team.
(I note that Ballance also got a duck today and Lyth scored 4, but they've had their chances)
Wouldn't surprise me if Roy still plays in the next test in the hope that he comes good.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by nil_desperandum » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:49 pm

Spijed wrote:Wouldn't surprise me if Roy still plays in the next test in the hope that he comes good.
Honestly don't see how he can come good.
I love watching him in the white ball game, but he has absolutely no orthodox technique at all to face a quality Australian attack in high pressure games.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:04 am

Hopefully with momentum shifting the flair players in the side might take it to the Australian bowling attack. They have bowled very well as a unit but we have sat back and let them bowl to us.
Apart from Stokes yesterday who made them look very ordinary indeed for a little while.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by JarrowClaret » Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:15 am

So we drop Roy now and send out the message you have 3 tests to make A couple of scores not sure that is right. I haven’t seen any of the ashes but we know what he does, he is affectively a dasher he is likely to get out edging to slip etc a lot whilst playing a flamboyant drive but when he comes off he will win us matches on his own. There was no point selecting him if he was going to get dropped more or less immediately, better option would be to move him down the order I think if we know he won’t make it as an opener in tests.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by RVclaret » Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:53 am

JarrowClaret wrote:So we drop Roy now and send out the message you have 3 tests to make A couple of scores not sure that is right. I haven’t seen any of the ashes but we know what he does, he is affectively a dasher he is likely to get out edging to slip etc a lot whilst playing a flamboyant drive but when he comes off he will win us matches on his own. There was no point selecting him if he was going to get dropped more or less immediately, better option would be to move him down the order I think if we know he won’t make it as an opener in tests.
Agreed. I think he could come in at 3 with Denly opening. Moves Root back to 4.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by nil_desperandum » Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:04 am

RVclaret wrote:Agreed. I think he could come in at 3 with Denly opening. Moves Root back to 4.
More often than not over the past 2 or 3 years there's been virtually no difference between opening and batting at No. 3. Almost always coming to face a virtually new ball.
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Post by nil_desperandum » Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:12 am

JarrowClaret wrote:So we drop Roy now and send out the message you have 3 tests to make A couple of scores not sure that is right. I haven’t seen any of the ashes ........
But if you'd actually seen him bat you'd understand that it's not his low scores, it's the way he's approached it. He just hasn't looked comfortable at all. It's as though he's never played an orthodox innings against the red ball.
It's difficult to see him being able to work at his technique in the 3 days before the next test.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by JarrowClaret » Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:25 am

I have seen him bat many times just not in the Ashes but I concede your point is valid there maybe something in his innings that I haven’t Seen that suggest he will never make it in international red ball Cricket. The way he plays is the way he plays he has been brought in as a dasher and told to play his natural game there seems little point in picking him knowing that the way he plays would mean there would be failures and probably embarrassing ones. We have to give him a chance for me and i’m not sure 3 matches constitutes a chance. if we drop him we would seem to be heading back to the dreadful selection process of the 80s and 90s.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Dark Cloud » Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:52 am

The problem is that the "pundits" tend to give mixed messages imo. In one breath they'll say a chap should be told he's in for a series and will be given X number of games to find his feet and prove himself (or not), but then on the other hand they say such a body clearly isn't up to it or his technique is suspect and the selectors should move on. they can't have it both ways tbh.
I've got tickets for day on at Old Trafford so I hope by then we've won at Leeds and the series is bubbling up nicely! (And that the sun is out!! :roll: )

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by IWOODLOVETT » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:12 am

Open with Bairstow and bring in a proper wicket-keeper, Ben Foakes.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:25 am

Unchanged 12 for the squad at Yorkshire.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Dyched » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:18 pm

Maybe Roy doesn’t even want to play test cricket.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Spijed » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:38 pm

Instead of Roy faffing about and ending up with a low score he might as well just play his normal game and try and get 30-40 runs with only a few overs gone.

Even if he gets out cheaply he's unlikely to last long by batting more slowly either way.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by Local cricketer » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:39 pm

England win 3-1 the aussies are rattled and Smith will never be the same player again

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by FCBurnley » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:55 pm

JarrowClaret wrote:I would expect Smith will be out for 10 days now though
Looks like the miracle recovery could be on. Smith expects to play at Headingley !! Apparently Cricket Australia have their own protocol for concussion and will monitor Smith on a daily basis. After the tragic Phil Hughes incident you would think CA would be ultra careful.

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Re: England vs Australia 2nd test

Post by claret10 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:01 pm

IWOODLOVETT wrote:Open with Bairstow and bring in a proper wicket-keeper, Ben Foakes.
Has a team ever played with 3 wicket keepers before?

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