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Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by theroyaldyche » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:47 pm

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by tiger76 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:14 pm

Strong sides for both,they clearly regard this as a valuable trophy.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:20 pm

Liverpool 1 goal keeper away from starting Andy Lonergen................
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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by JohnMac » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:22 pm

Still can't believe Robertson chose them over us :lol:
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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by EarbyClaret » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:27 pm

dandeclaret wrote:Liverpool 1 goal keeper away from starting Andy Lonergen................
A massive weak link there for a club who will be chasing both the PL and CL titles this season. Hoping Alisson's injury keeps him out of the game at TM and that it's an area we are able to exploit.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by Winstonswhite » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:39 pm

Good finish by Giroud. But Kante is the key man for Chelsea. He’ll be starting from now on

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by Tricky Trevor » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:44 pm

EarbyClaret wrote:A massive weak link there for a club who will be chasing both the PL and CL titles this season. Hoping Alisson's injury keeps him out of the game at TM and that it's an area we are able to exploit.
Supposed to be out 6weeks.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:52 pm

scousers all over the place at the back

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by theroyaldyche » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:53 pm

Miles better side here chelsea

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:05 pm

and just like that 1-1

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by dougcollins » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:24 pm

The offside for Chelsea. Why did she wait til he put it in the net to put the flag up?

What if he had played someone else in to score, he would have been just as much offside, would the flag have gone up then - or would the goal have stood?

Not even a VAR issue, just a question of the current offside interpretation.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by tim_noone » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:32 pm

Yawn fest....

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by dougcollins » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:35 pm

Been better than I anticipated tbh, but I accept it's a a pointless game.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by tiger76 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:35 pm

dougcollins wrote:The offside for Chelsea. Why did she wait til he put it in the net to put the flag up?

What if he had played someone else in to score, he would have been just as much offside, would the flag have gone up then - or would the goal have stood?

Not even a VAR issue, just a question of the current offside interpretation.
I'm not certain but i believe this is one of the new regulations,they let the game flow and then flag.

It's bizarre to me as well,and it will cause a lot of friction during the course of the season.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by dougcollins » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:37 pm

Not to mention unwarranted injuries.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by Spijed » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:39 pm

tiger76 wrote:I'm not certain but i believe this is one of the new regulations,they let the game flow and then flag.

It's bizarre to me as well,and it will cause a lot of friction during the course of the season.
Seems odd then that the linesman flagged when the Southampton player slipped rather than allowing Barnes to cross the ball instead.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by Tall Paul » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:43 pm

Spijed wrote:Seems odd then that the linesman flagged when the Southampton player slipped rather than allowing Barnes to cross the ball instead.
They've been given different instructions in the PL.
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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by tiger76 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:47 pm

Well that makes a lot of sense,i thought the idea of these new rules was to ensure consistency across the board,is it any wonder the players are confused.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by Cubanclaret » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:54 pm

tiger76 wrote:I'm not certain but i believe this is one of the new regulations,they let the game flow and then flag.

It's bizarre to me as well,and it will cause a lot of friction during the course of the season.
I think they will have to have a Goal of the Season for disallowed goals. There’s pretty much going to be between 1 and 3 few per match, on average!!

City in particular will score loads the way they play so close to the lines.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by dougcollins » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:03 pm

The first time there's a substantial injury-causing collision between an offside striker and a keeper it'll be reverted.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by tim_noone » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:05 pm

Never in this world ...

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by South West Claret. » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:06 pm

Super Cup my backside.
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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by tiger76 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:12 pm

Cubanclaret wrote:I think they will have to have a Goal of the Season for disallowed goals. There’s pretty much going to be between 1 and 3 few per match, on average!!

City in particular will score loads the way they play so close to the lines.
If the West Ham match is an indicator you will be accurate in your prediction,if they're going to follow offsides to the letter of the law,then marginal calls will result in no goal,the problems will come if a situation arises similar to Sterling's later in the season,and the benefit of the doubt favours the attacker,ditto with 'accidental' handball as long as there's a level playing field,and they stick to the precedent that's been set with the Boly incident that's fine,but i remember the shirt tugging clampdown a couple of seasons ago,when penalties were given left right and centre for a few weeks,and then suddenly the refs weren't being as strict on this area of the game,so we'll see how it goes over the coming months.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:13 pm

VAR should help us with how organised our back 4 are, we should catch loads offside

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by Rowls » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:15 pm

What on earth is VAR for if not for disallowing that penalty????

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by Paul Waine » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:16 pm

Anyone thinking the L'pool players showed a little more respect to the ref on that penalty call?

I wonder if we should have female refs for every big game?

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by turfytopper » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:17 pm

Spijed wrote:Seems odd then that the linesman flagged when the Southampton player slipped rather than allowing Barnes to cross the ball instead.
I think because:
He became active when he touched the ball.
He didn't wait for VAR as it was so far away from goal and he (the lino)was very confident Barnes was offside.

They'll only delay on a tight offside call where there is likely to be a goalscoring opportunity.
It's messy though. What happens if they suspect offside and don't flag and the keeper tips it over the bar? That cannot go to VAR. But without VAR there would likely to have been an offside call.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by tiger76 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:28 pm

Rowls wrote:What on earth is VAR for if not for disallowing that penalty????
The argument seems to be it wasn't a clear and obvious error,so the ref's decision stands,it'll certainly encourage more players to go to ground when there's minimal contact,Dele Alli will be excited by that call among many others.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by Rowls » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:29 pm

tiger76 wrote:The argument seems to be it wasn't a clear and obvious error,so the ref's decision stands,it'll certainly encourage more players to go to ground when there's minimal contact,Dele Alli will be excited by that call among many others.
It was clearly and obviously a dive.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by Tricky Trevor » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:30 pm

Spijed wrote:Seems odd then that the linesman flagged when the Southampton player slipped rather than allowing Barnes to cross the ball instead.
If the Southampton guy had played the ball and then slipped it was onside. As he didn’t and Ash was first to play the ball it was, correctly, offside. It was obvious so no need for VAR.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by wembley94 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:32 pm

Never a penalty.worst referee Dicision making since.that Harrow school teacher

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by tiger76 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:37 pm

Rowls wrote:It was clearly and obviously a dive.
That's what most people in the crowd thought,so how on earth can the VAR official not see that with the various different angles,this doesn't bode well for the CL and PL games to come,if such an obvious dive can't be caught out.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:45 pm

love seeing ****** off Chelsea fans

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by HunterST_BFC » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:45 pm

Justice
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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by Spijed » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:46 pm

Does the rule regarding goalkeepers staying on their line during a penalty shootout no longer count?

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by tiger76 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:47 pm

Karma's a bitch,Abraham missing is so sweet. :)

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:49 pm

Spijed wrote:Does the rule regarding goalkeepers staying on their line during a penalty shootout no longer count?
he was nearly on the half way line :lol:

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by Rowls » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:52 pm

tiger76 wrote:That's what most people in the crowd thought,so how on earth can the VAR official not see that with the various different angles,this doesn't bode well for the CL and PL games to come,if such an obvious dive can't be caught out.
Think the commentary team got it right - UEFA didn't want to overrule their ref in a high profile game.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by tiger76 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:55 pm

Rowls wrote:Think the commentary team got it right - UEFA didn't want to overrule their ref in a high profile game.
You could well be right,in that case what's the point in having VAR then.
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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by BurnleyFC » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:56 pm

Abraham is nowhere near the required level for Chelsea.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by Cheshireclaret » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:03 pm

The point about the offside in the Southampton game is one that I’ve pondered myself.

Had the goal have stood, then would Southampton have been rightly aggrieved that the linesman flagged for offside, this causing them to (perhaps) stop playing?

I’m not sure what the protocol is in the Premier League so apologies but I thought it was meant to be more along the lines of how tonight’s game was officiated?

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by theroyaldyche » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:07 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:Abraham is nowhere near the required level for Chelsea.
Hes not even championship standard

There cryin out 4 a striker

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by JohnMac » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:14 pm

theroyaldyche wrote:Hes not even championship standard
48 goals in 78 games in the Championship probably says you are wrong.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by theroyaldyche » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:19 pm

JohnMac wrote:48 goals in 78 games in the Championship probably says you are wrong.
Hes shite

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by tim_noone » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:23 pm

theroyaldyche wrote:Miles better side here chelsea
That non championship "striker" has cost you money......he has hasn't he? :lol:
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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by dsr » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:47 pm

Cheshireclaret wrote:The point about the offside in the Southampton game is one that I’ve pondered myself.

Had the goal have stood, then would Southampton have been rightly aggrieved that the linesman flagged for offside, this causing them to (perhaps) stop playing?

I’m not sure what the protocol is in the Premier League so apologies but I thought it was meant to be more along the lines of how tonight’s game was officiated?
They might have been aggrieved, but not rightly. Because for one thing, the Premier League rule is that the lineman fflags but the ref doesn't whistle. And for another thing, if they haven't learned by now that "Play to the Whistle" is the rule, then they wouldn't be bright enough to understand offside anyway.

Golden rule - the linesman cannot give offside. Only the referee can give offside or any other free kick.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by Cheshireclaret » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:51 pm

dsr wrote:They might have been aggrieved, but not rightly. Because for one thing, the Premier League rule is that the lineman fflags but the ref doesn't whistle. And for another thing, if they haven't learned by now that "Play to the Whistle" is the rule, then they wouldn't be bright enough to understand offside anyway.

Golden rule - the linesman cannot give offside. Only the referee can give offside or any other free kick.
I get that and I’m the first to moan when our players switch off and don’t ‘play to the whistle’ but if as the referee one of your assistants has stopped running and put his or her flag in the air, aren’t you compelled to then do something?

I don’t know, I’m probably tying myself up in knots as well but it will take some getting used to.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by dsr » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:59 pm

Cheshireclaret wrote:I get that and I’m the first to moan when our players switch off and don’t ‘play to the whistle’ but if as the referee one of your assistants has stopped running and put his or her flag in the air, aren’t you compelled to then do something?

I don’t know, I’m probably tying myself up in knots as well but it will take some getting used to.
It's not relevant to the players what the referee is doing, except that if he hasn't blown his whistle, the ball is still live. All sorts of annoying things can go wrong, including the linesman waving his flag when he shouldn't, but if the forward is not offside and the ref has not blown his whistle, then tough. They should have known better.

It could certainly create a problem if the linesman is standing there with his flag up and then there's another offside decision to give, with the linesman nowhere to be seen. I presume then they just take a guess and let VAR back into action. But if the ball goes for a corner when the forward was offside but the lineman in the wrong place, or even worse a free kick in a very dangerous position, which VAR doesn't concern itself with ...

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:55 am

dsr wrote:It's not relevant to the players what the referee is doing, except that if he hasn't blown his whistle, the ball is still live. All sorts of annoying things can go wrong, including the linesman waving his flag when he shouldn't, but if the forward is not offside and the ref has not blown his whistle, then tough. They should have known better.

It could certainly create a problem if the linesman is standing there with his flag up and then there's another offside decision to give, with the linesman nowhere to be seen. I presume then they just take a guess and let VAR back into action. But if the ball goes for a corner when the forward was offside but the lineman in the wrong place, or even worse a free kick in a very dangerous position, which VAR doesn't concern itself with ...
Football was so simple before VAR ---you just accepted the decision of the onfield officials and get on with the game whether they were right or wrong. However, these new ideas are really improving the enjoyment of the game so we shouldn't complain.
I think that that is what I am supposed to think!

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool - Super Cup

Post by theroyaldyche » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:07 am

tim_noone wrote:That non championship "striker" has cost you money......he has hasn't he? :lol:
Had chelsea to win on pens :lol:

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