England v Australia 3rd Ashes Test

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:49 pm

Just got off a 4 hour flight and welcomed home to this absolute shambles.

Anyone want to buy 4 day 3 & 4 day 4 tickets for the old Trafford test....

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:56 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:Just got off a 4 hour flight and welcomed home to this absolute shambles.

Anyone want to buy 4 day 3 & 4 day 4 tickets for the old Trafford test....

Be optimistic ---Steve Smith should be back in the team by then and he can bat all day!

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:11 pm

Jack Leach gets a wicket with his first ball, a big spinner.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:12 pm

What a difference a morning makes, really disappointed

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:18 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Impossible to follow-on when you're chasing less than 200, but it's a good job they didn't get 279!

Cheers, it's all irrelevant though in the grand scheme of things.

When you fold like that in a must win game where the opponents best player is out, you've got multiple problems.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:20 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:Just got off a 4 hour flight and welcomed home to this absolute shambles.

Anyone want to buy 4 day 3 & 4 day 4 tickets for the old Trafford test....

We're glad we didnt bother now.

You'll need to pay someone to take them off your hands.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:23 pm

I doubt the Aussies will mind seeing that turn when they already have a lead of 150,that's the frustration with England's capitulation,the Australians aren't any better,they just managed 1 big partnership and that's made all the difference,without that century stand this game would still be on a knife edge,the next highest score in the Aussie 1st innings was Tim Paine's 11,but credit to Warner and Labuschagne they dug in and made a score,their efforts show that this pitch isn't a minefield,you just have to work for your runs,England's batsman weren't prepared to apply themselves to mould an innings,that's the deciding factor,if you gift the opposition 6/7 easy wickets,no matter how effective your bowling attack is you won't win test matches.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:23 pm

If the aussies had any balls they would declare now and bowl us out before the close of play

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:28 pm

52-3 they might not need to declare,Khawaja gone for 23,in this match that's a big number.

Lead is 164 just to put it into context,so even if England skittle the Aussies this afternoon,the chase will be 250 ish,i can't see England getting anywhere near that.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:28 pm

Bloody h***!
Roy holds on to a catch.
Maybe that's all he needs for him to get his confidence back and score a double ton in the 2nd innings.
Well we've got to clutch at straws now!

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:29 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Bloody h***!
Roy holds on to a catch.
Maybe that's all he needs for him to get his confidence back and score a double ton in the 2nd innings.
Well we've got to clutch at straws now!

Roy has been clutching a straw in each innings, maybe he should try clutching a bat

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:47 pm

Denly makes history,
His score of 12 is the lowest high score ever in an England innings.
But on the bright side Root has scored as many runs as Steve Smith in this match . Oh wait a minute .........

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:48 pm

Root just dropped a dolly in he slips of Stoakes.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:50 pm

You can’t drop catches like that. Very bad. Straight at him and nice height....awful

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:04 pm

Should Root play let alone be captain ?

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:04 pm

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:England's lowest score v Australia since 1948 and the lowest since 1909

I'm confused with that that stat ( it doesnt take much )

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:35 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Should Root play let alone be captain ?

I don't think Root is a natural captain, but he's still our only world class batsman.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:38 pm

jrgbfc wrote:I don't think Root is a natural captain, but he's still our only world class batsman.

Root needs to bat at 4 too.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:42 pm

Great effort by Stokes. Really put his back into it

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:45 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Should Root play let alone be captain ?

100% he should play, he's our best batsman by a country mile - now whether he should be captain is an entirely different question

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:48 pm

MACCA wrote:I'm confused with that that stat ( it doesnt take much )

#metoo

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:48 pm

ClaretTony wrote:100% he should play, he's our best batsman by a country mile - now whether he should be captain is an entirely different question

He probably shouldn’t be captain, the trouble is there is no one else to take over.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:53 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:He probably shouldn’t be captain, the trouble is there is no one else to take over.

Doubt anyone could do the job much worse and at least we might then get our best batsman back playing as we know he can

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:01 pm

Love the post from Bosscat posted at 7.37 yesterday evening

"Now we just have to bat like we want to win this bloody Series"

An old adage in cricket that you should wait to see both teams perform with the bat before you can make any sort of prediction.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:02 pm

Bosscat was spot on!

Aclaret · Post by **Aclaret** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:02 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Doubt anyone could do the job much worse and at least we might then get our best batsman back playing as we know he can

Does the captain need to be a batsman ? Why not a bowler, Broad for instance. Then we get our batsman back and Broad doesn't get many runs anyway !

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:12 pm

Aclaret wrote:Does the captain need to be a batsman ? Why not a bowler, Broad for instance. Then we get our batsman back and Broad doesn't get many runs anyway !

Personally I don't like bowlers captaining teams but something has to be done

Local cricketer · Post by **Local cricketer** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:35 pm

paulatky wrote:Denly makes history,
His score of 12 is the lowest high score ever in an England innings.
But on the bright side Root has scored as many runs as Steve Smith in this match . Oh wait a minute .........

Steve smith has scored 12 more runs than Joe root after he was hit on the head

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:38 pm

Now Labuschagne survives a review for caught behind due to a Ben Stokes no-ball,sums up England's day,you can't blame the bowlers they couldn't have expected to be steaming in again from early afternoon onwards,and Jofra's gone off with cramp i think,again hardly surprising when they're being worked so much.

If this humiliation doesn't lead to major changes in English cricket then i give up,all of England's failings have been ruthlessly exposed in a single session by a decent Australian attack,who simply bowled a good line and length outside the off stump,and waited for the mistakes,of which there was plenty.

Labuschagne again has shown the way to bat on this surface,he's been there for 3 hours and is only into the forties,but crucially he's still not out,it's not rocket science just common sense test match batting,which is sadly seemingly beyond England.

Today was the nadir of England's collapses,but it's been on the cards for a while,even in the Ireland game they were rolled over for 85,and the bowlers dug them out of a hole,but this Aussie side won't give you 2nd chances,i fear for England in New Zealand,Boult and co will be relishing running in to this batting line-up.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:43 pm

MACCA wrote:We're glad we didnt bother now.

You'll need to pay someone to take them off your hands.

Never turn down the opportunity to watch the very best in their field.

In any sport or entertainment industry.

Local cricketer · Post by **Local cricketer** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:44 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Never turn down the opportunity to watch the very best in their field.

In any sport or entertainment industry.

Very well said I went to Aus v SA the other week and it was the best 45 quid I've ever spent

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:45 pm

Yesterday all of the talk was of wonderful English bowling rather than poor Australian batting.

Today all of the talk is of woeful English batting rather than very good Australian bowling on yet another poor pitch.

Stokes may be putting in a wonderful spell of bowling but the shot that he got out to, chasing a ball that was so wide he almost gave himself a hernia stretching for it, was not what was needed at 30 odd for 3.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:36 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Boycott was way before my time watching.

Cook and Strauss could both score quick as well as defend. Class players.

Boycott would just give them the straight bat......Lilly, Thomson, etc....He would have been perfect for this match.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:39 pm

Bye the way! I think a proper gesture by the England team, would be to donate their wages, from this test match to a charity.
They certainly haven't earned them! Archer can keep his......the rest have been spineless.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:15 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Never turn down the opportunity to watch the very best in their field.

In any sport or entertainment industry.

It was a joke.

But you're right, if Smith's playing it will be worth it

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:19 pm

It really does seem that the Ashes series has been treated as an after thought in comparison to the one-day world cup.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49455026" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:23 pm

Would you rather England win the World Cup or the Ashes ? Ashes for me every time

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:04 pm

Problem is it keeps happening and Bayliss and Root just shrug their shoulders. The sooner Bayliss goes the better now. He was brought in as a one day specialist so he'll argue he's done his job after winning the World cup, but he's taken the Test team backwards and gives off the air of someone who couldn't care less now.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:25 pm

There's no doubt 4 years ago the emphasis changed to white ball cricket and they will say it has worked with winning the world cup.

They need to change it back now. But it depends what makes them the most money.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:35 pm

Spijed wrote:It really does seem that the Ashes series has been treated as an after thought in comparison to the one-day world cup.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49455026" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Call me a cynic but i'm guessing the WC was worth more to the ECB'S coffers than an Ashes win.

A snippet from the BBC article.

but batting coach Graham Thorpe said England will not make wholesale changes to their side for the final two Tests.

Herein lies the problem these players know they won't be dropped,now i'm sorry but if being skittled for 67 in just 27 overs,doesn't prompt action nothing will.

The only batsmen that should play at OT are Burns,Root and Stokes.

We might as well blood youth,so Dominic Sibley, Zak Crawley and Ollie Pope come in to the batting,and i'd recall Ben Foakes to wear the gloves,BTW he has a test average of over 40,and both Bairstow and Buttler are mentally drained and out of nick,a rest from the test arena would do this duo a world of good.

I don't think the England management will be so decisive sadly,they're still burying their hands in the sand and hoping it'll come good,ain't gonna happen with this bunch,there's too many in the comfort zone.

My XI for Old Trafford would be

Burns
Sibley
Crawley/Pope
Root
Stokes
Foakes
Sam Curran
Woakes
Archer
Leach
Jimmy

Whether they would fare any better IDK,but the whole dressing room needs a shake-up,if nothing else places shouldn't be taken for granted.

If noses are put out of joint tough,that shambles can't be glossed over.

Whether Root should continue as captain is up for debate,but i don't see many obvious candidates aside from Stokes,and he's one of the few England players who've performed generally well in this series,admittedly it was a terrible dismissal today,but he's often saved the top order,and he can't keep performing rescue missions game in game out.

Local cricketer · Post by **Local cricketer** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:49 pm

tiger76 wrote:Call me a cynic but i'm guessing the WC was worth more to the ECB'S coffers than an Ashes win.

A snippet from the BBC article.

but batting coach Graham Thorpe said England will not make wholesale changes to their side for the final two Tests.

Herein lies the problem these players know they won't be dropped,now i'm sorry but if being skittled for 67 in just 27 overs,doesn't prompt action nothing will.

The only batsmen that should play at OT are Burns,Root and Stokes.

We might as well blood youth,so Dominic Sibley, Zak Crawley and Ollie Pope come in to the batting,and i'd recall Ben Foakes to wear the gloves,BTW he has a test average of over 40,and both Bairstow and Buttler are mentally drained and out of nick,a rest from the test arena would do this duo a world of good.

I don't think the England management will be so decisive sadly,they're still burying their hands in the sand and hoping it'll come good,ain't gonna happen with this bunch,there's too many in the comfort zone.

My XI for Old Trafford would be

Burns
Sibley
Crawley/Pope
Root
Stokes
Foakes
Sam Curran
Woakes
Archer
Leach
Jimmy

Whether they would fare any better IDK,but the whole dressing room needs a shake-up,if nothing else places shouldn't be taken for granted.

If noses are put out of joint tough,that shambles can't be glossed over.

Whether Root should continue as captain is up for debate,but i don't see many obvious candidates aside from Stokes,and he's one of the few England players who've performed generally well in this series,admittedly it was a terrible dismissal today,but he's often saved the top order,and he can't keep performing rescue missions game in game out.

You are dropping Broad? Really?

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:52 pm

Local cricketer wrote:You are dropping Broad? Really?

No. You wouldn't.

wembley94 · Post by **wembley94** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:17 am

Sibley..Burns..Crawley..Root..Roy..Stokes..Foakes..Woakes..Archer..Broad..Leach

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:35 am

Local cricketer wrote:You are dropping Broad? Really?

If we lose this test I would rest him and Archer.

They both look over bowled. Short turn around aren't good for the bowlers when our batters aren't giving them any rest.

If the miracle happens we have to risk them.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:36 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:If we lose this test I would rest him and Archer.

They both look over bowled. Short turn around aren't good for the bowlers when our batters aren't giving them any rest.

If the miracle happens we have to risk them.

Yes that was my reasoning if this series is lost,which is looking pretty likely,we might as well get something out of the final 2 tests,ultimately England will have to replace Anderson and Broad sooner or later,and it's becoming sooner i'm afraid,also the Autumn/Winter tours have to be considered as a factor,the bowlers looked blown out yesterday evening,hardly shocking when they've been toiling away for several sessions over the last week or so,the last thing England need is yet another injury,it would be nice if just once the batsman could occupy the crease for more than a session or two and allow the bowlers a breather,but apparently that's too much to ask.

TBH i don't even think i'd bowl Jofra much in the morning,this match is probably beyond England bar a massive turnaround,and a miracle hundred or two,so why risk your main strike bowler breaking down,and missing weeks of cricket.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:46 am

On the first day, they were saying the wicket is an easy, good batting wicket!

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:27 am

IanMcL wrote:On the first day, they were saying the wicket is an easy, good batting wicket!

It's certainly a slow pitch by international match standard. Dry if anything.

It's probably more to do with finding a batch of balls that swing for long periods.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:06 am

I agree the dressing room needs shaking up a bit. Probably time to consider 2 different coaches as well for the Test and one day stuff. Now the World cup is over it's time to refocus on Test cricket.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:35 am

Vino blanco wrote:Jack Leach gets a wicket with his first ball, a big spinner.

That's 7 wickets for Lyon then come England's second innings!!!

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:02 am

I wonder what Graham Thorpe makes of it as batting coach. He really could tough it out; he obviously can’t pass this attribute on to others.