England v Australia 3rd Ashes Test

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:55 pm

Aclaret wrote:Not an expert on cricket but is Leach a better bowler AND a better batsman than Moen Ali?

Not necessarily, BUT right now his head's in the right place so he's by far he better option! (In every department)

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:06 pm

What a comeback. My nerves were proper shredded at the end. Who says cricket is dull, eh.

Aclaret · Post by **Aclaret** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:09 pm

And i notice West Indies are 62 for 9 v India !! Whats going on in Test Cricket ?

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:53 pm

Was brilliant today, but Australia's 2nd innings showed what a poor batting side they are. With Archer hobbling off and the rest of our bowlers knackered they had the chance to really grind us into the dirt and put the game out of our reach.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:57 pm

Roy has to go (unfortunately) imo for Old Trafford and Butler is arguably under real pressure and COULD be changed. Otherwise, stick with the lads who ultimately triumphed in this match and take it to them!!! I'll be there at OT on day one!!

wembley94 · Post by **wembley94** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:59 pm

England selectors meeting...How many times have we collapsed in the past two years.what can we do about it..Answer drop Woakes for Anderson if fit

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:00 pm

dandeclaret wrote:Lads..... we chased down 360 odd in a 4th innings..... you can’t bat abysmally and do that.

Stokes 135
Root. 77
Denly 50
Burns, Roy, Buttler, Woakes, Broad..15

wembley94 · Post by **wembley94** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:04 pm

And Denly looks like a walking wicket

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:06 pm

tiger76 wrote:Who would you drop Roy,Bairstow and Buttler are in the most danger,Bairstow played a good hand in the 2nd innings,he should have gone on admittedly,and Denly showed he can bat in test cricket.

If Roy's going to play at OT,he'll have to bat down the order,you could maybe move Denly up to open,and where does Root bat.

As you say one for the selectors.that's what they're paid for.

Roy and Buttler out for me.......not cutting it in the Test format.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:06 pm

I know it's a massive call and a huge talking point, but PERSONALLY I'd leave Anderson out, even though it's Old Trafford. He's 37 and becoming an injury issue and we've just won a game. Leave as is and if necessary tinker with the batting as in lose Roy and choose A.N. Other, but leave the bowling alone.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:08 pm

dandeclaret wrote:Lads..... we chased down 360 odd in a 4th innings..... you can’t bat abysmally and do that.

Sorry that's not true. We lost 2 early wickets, then a good partnership from Root and Denly put us in a decent position by the end of yesterday. Today most of the batting was abysmal - as I described it.
Other than Stokes, Broad and Leach they virtually all gave their wickets away, including the captain. From 245-4, (a very good position) we slumped to 286-9, and some of them were absolute shockers. Bairstow and Buttler's dismissals were embarrassing in the game situation.
Let's not allow a fantastic victory paper over the cracks in our batting line-up in both innings.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:30 pm

The arrogance of match management by Stokes was just as impressive as his sixes.

An absolute boy is that chap.

Cubanclaret · Post by **Cubanclaret** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:32 pm

You know you’ve witnessed something amazing in sport when watching the re-run is even more surreal than seeing it happen the first time.
For drama I think this trumps Arsenal snatching the title form anfield in 89. Absolutely astonishing.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:37 pm

Outstanding from Sir Ben. What a player and what a sporting moment.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:37 pm

Roy, Burns, Buttler, Woakes and Broad should be under some real pressure.

If Jimmy is fit he has to come back in.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:47 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Sorry that's not true. We lost 2 early wickets, then a good partnership from Root and Denly put us in a decent position by the end of yesterday. Today most of the batting was abysmal - as I described it.
Other than Stokes, Broad and Leach they virtually all gave their wickets away, including the captain. From 245-4, (a very good position) we slumped to 286-9, and some of them were absolute shockers. Bairstow and Buttler's dismissals were embarrassing in the game situation.
Let's not allow a fantastic victory paper over the cracks in our batting line-up in both innings.

Hang on. Criticism of Stokes may not be allowed at the moment but he threw Buttler under the bus today.

I’m not defending Buttler’s form in general but completely unfair to fault him today.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:50 pm

Going to watch the highlights but not seen a ball bowled today. We'd just lost our 9th wicket when we arrived at Wolves and MDWat was acting as scorer, giving us a ball by ball update as we got closer and closer. We were inside Molineux and on the upper tier concourse when the winning run was scored and the whole place went mad.

Incredible, couldn't believe what happened, well done Ben Stokes.

Cubanclaret · Post by **Cubanclaret** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:58 pm

Nice description CT. People will look back and remember where they were when Stokes saved the Ashes. My brother and son opted for headingley over Molineux. With respect to the Clarets, I think they made the right call. A real ‘I was there’ occasion. Statto’s in future times will look back at the scorecard with bemusement.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:00 pm

I don't think it's been mentioned but Jack Leech casually taking his glasses off and cleaning them before facing 90 mph bowling every over is the coolest thing I've seen in sport.

What a man.

dandeclaret · Post by **dandeclaret** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:22 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:Stokes 135
Root. 77
Denly 50
Burns, Roy, Buttler, Woakes, Broad..15

That's the nature of it, some will score and some won't - and you've got 2 bowlers in there.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:26 pm

I watched the whole days play on willow tv and it finished just in time for the Clarets game then followed by watching Rory winning the FedEx cup. A near perfect day spoilt only by Mr Pawson. Good job I have an understanding wife ! Although she did have a decent bet on Rory st 8/1.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:28 pm

dandeclaret wrote:That's the nature of it, some will score and some won't - and you've got 2 bowlers in there.

On the BBC commentary they had a damning stat regarding Roy that apparently he's never batted for over 3.5 hours in an innings in his entire career.

How can you ever expect a team to build an innings when your opening batsman is more interested in slogging every ball for a four or six as opposed to occupying the crease?

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:35 pm

Spijed wrote:On the BBC commentary they had a damning stat regarding Roy that apparently he's never batted for over 3.5 hours in an innings in his entire career.

How can you ever expect a team to build an innings when your opening batsman is more interested in slogging every ball for a four or six as opposed to occupying the crease?

That's why he shouldn't be opening in test cricket,brilliant one-day talent,but he's not suited to the longer form of the game,even the runs he got against Ireland was a cameo.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:48 pm

FAO CT. When you watch the highlights you will still think it is impossible for England to win . It is that amazing

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:00 am

Where is Macca and all his doom and gloom?

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:26 am

Granny WeatherWax wrote:Just got off a 4 hour flight and welcomed home to this absolute shambles.

Anyone want to buy 4 day 3 & 4 day 4 tickets for the old Trafford test....

Yeah I am interested in these, how much you want?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:44 am

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Yeah I am interested in these, how much you want?

I wouldn’t have a clue what the going rate is for 4 day 3 & 4 day 4 tickets. Does anyone have any 5 day 4 and 2 day 3 day tickets day for sale day?

wembley94 · Post by **wembley94** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:52 am

When two great ex Aussie cricheters like.Shane Warne and Ricky Ponting.say its the best game ever.you no you watched something special

GordonvaleClaret · Post by **GordonvaleClaret** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:06 am

FCBurnley wrote:Even better than the Botham test. You will remember that for the rest of your life and one day telling your grandkids about it. Fabulous

Not quite imho. In that Botham test, England following on, trailed by 90 runs with 3 wickets remaining. Aus still had an innings to come.

AfloatinClaret · Post by **AfloatinClaret** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:02 am

wembley94 wrote:England selectors meeting...How many times have we collapsed in the past two years.what can we do about it..Answer drop Woakes for Anderson if fit

So you reckon JA's the cure-all for our batting collapses,how many additional runs are you anticipating Jimmy'll provide and are you proposing that to do so he perhaps opens the batting rather than coming in at the tail?

Given that Chris Wood's not scored this season, how about dropping him in favour of Hart or Peacock-Farrell?

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:36 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:Hang on. Criticism of Stokes may not be allowed at the moment but he threw Buttler under the bus today.

I’m not defending Buttler’s form in general but completely unfair to fault him today.

It's been a fantastic win, so let's just agree to disagree.
Buttler had absolutely no need to leave his crease. He had as good view as Stokes of where the field was set and where the ball was travelling.
His mindset should have been to survive and bat through till tea. At the moment Stokes called for a run he should have immediately sent him back. Yes, it was totally the wrong call from Stokes but he immediately recognised this and reversed his call. Buttler should have also been aware that it was the wrong call, and given the game situation he should have been very much back in his crease and taking no risks. Had Stokes not been quick enough to realise - almost immediately - that he'd made the wrong call, he himself would have been run out by a mile.
I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that Buttler should have realised that there was no hurry to get the runs, and that as soon as he heard Stokes call him for a run he should have stood his ground and sent him back.
So yes, it was an error by Stokes, (and he was certainly entitled to one), but you bat in partnerships and Buttler should have been looking after his partner by declining the run.

Garnerssoap · Post by **Garnerssoap** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:40 am

I started blubbing when it looked like he had a real chance of doing it - (when it dropped to about 21 needed) - it all got a bit much - kids were laughing at me , snot everywhere. Only other time that’s happened was at the final whistle Wembley with Owen.
Must be the menopause or something

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:16 am

Watched it back again this morning. Still can’t quite believe he’s done that again.

wembley94 · Post by **wembley94** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:23 am

AfloatinClaret...It was a sarcastic remark.every time England lose.it's a bowler that gets replaced....Only Root and Stokes are safe,in that batting line up for me

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:26 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:I don't think it's been mentioned but Jack Leech casually taking his glasses off and cleaning them before facing 90 mph bowling every over is the coolest thing I've seen in sport.

What a man.

There’s a brilliant piece on the BBC which include this

All of this with the help of Jack Leach, who looks less like a cricketer and more like Alan from accounting.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:41 am

nil_desperandum wrote:It's been a fantastic win, so let's just agree to disagree.
Buttler had absolutely no need to leave his crease. He had as good view as Stokes of where the field was set and where the ball was travelling.
His mindset should have been to survive and bat through till tea. At the moment Stokes called for a run he should have immediately sent him back. Yes, it was totally the wrong call from Stokes but he immediately recognised this and reversed his call. Buttler should have also been aware that it was the wrong call, and given the game situation he should have been very much back in his crease and taking no risks. Had Stokes not been quick enough to realise - almost immediately - that he'd made the wrong call, he himself would have been run out by a mile.
I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that Buttler should have realised that there was no hurry to get the runs, and that as soon as he heard Stokes call him for a run he should have stood his ground and sent him back.
So yes, it was an error by Stokes, (and he was certainly entitled to one), but you bat in partnerships and Buttler should have been looking after his partner by declining the run.

Obviously you can have an opinion on it like everyone else but in a cricket dressing room. The common rule is if the ball is played in front of the wicket it's the strikers call, if behind it's the non strikers call. The non striker can call for a run if in front if he is running to the danger end risking his own wicket.
When your partner calls you simply run and trust your partners call. It's hesitation that gets you out 99% of the time and you simply can't afford to turn around half way through.
Stokes had the better chance of making his ground just running straight in one direction than Buttler did slamming on and changing direction.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:45 am

Rileybobs wrote:I wouldn’t have a clue what the going rate is for 4 day 3 & 4 day 4 tickets. Does anyone have any 5 day 4 and 2 day 3 day tickets day for sale day?

There are corporate tickets left and maybe the hotel could have a room with a balcony going.

The first 4 days are officially sold out but like at the Turf I'm sure tickets become available if you contact Lancashire.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:59 am

I still can’t believe it. Was a wonderful sporting moment. At lunch we’d amazingly become favourites to win, then we quickly lost wickets and the task became virtually impossible. But Ben Stokes was still there.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:19 am

Jack Leach took the whole team out at 8pm to the middle to show them how he scored his single, even running it at full pace.
What a legend.
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ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:29 am

About 1:30 this morning when I decided to watch the one hour highlights programme on Sky. Absolutely magnificent effort from those last two which included the fun of the messed up run out by Lyon and the lbw they couldn't review because they'd totally wasted their last one.

I love cricket - and I love beating the Aussies. Hopefully that will give us some sort of lift. Happen as well we were bowled out for 67 in the first innings, without that we wouldn't have had all that drama yesterday.

CleggHall · Post by **CleggHall** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:38 am

1. Dreadful umpiring decision, Stokes was clearly out LBW.
2. Dreadful refereeing decision in Rugby League final, St Helens denied a good try in the 5th minute by referee Hicks who arrogantly wouldn't go to the video technology.
3. Dreadful/ dubious penalty decision in 95th minute at Wolves.

Where would we be without our refs and umpires?

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:08 am

BurnleyFC wrote:Roy, Burns, Buttler, Woakes and Broad should be under some real pressure.

If Jimmy is fit he has to come back in.

You're going to drop Broad? I think a certain Mr. Warner will be a very happy man with that decision.

But, I agree, Jimmy has to play if he's fit.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:33 am

The review the Aussies wasted was absolutely ridiculous. The players themselves knew it wasn't out, was just sheer desperation. Doesn't hide the fact that umpire Joel Wilson is having an absolute shocker of a series mind.

GordonvaleClaret · Post by **GordonvaleClaret** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:06 pm

To put things in context:

The Aussies appealed, the umpire gave a decision, the Aussies reviewed, the umpire was told to stick with his decision.
Why did he give the original decision? Pitched outside leg, too wide, too high? We don't know, the review doesn't tell us what was in the umpire's mind.

Next ball same story, except no review available.
Why did he give that decision? We don't know. Maybe he adjudged "same as previous", maybe not. Maybe "not sure" so benefit of the doubt to the batsman.

Remember, he had been standing there the whole day, copping copious GBH to the lugs through the Aussies continual shouting. NICE ONE GARY. GREAT BOWLING GARY. COME ON LADS. No wonder that he became a little off form. Give him a break.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:16 pm

Like with VAR, as soon as you bring in technology the standard of referees and umpires will go down as they expect that a review will make the correct decision anyway.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:23 pm

Guy on the radio called Leach "Allan from accounts" when he took his specs off to clean them before facing the bowling!!

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:26 pm

Quite a lot of karma in the Lyon missed run out and the review and then not out calls. Maybe there is a sand paper god up there

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:48 pm

Spijed wrote:Like with VAR, as soon as you bring in technology the standard of referees and umpires will go down as they expect that a review will make the correct decision anyway.

I’m not sure the standard of refs can go down tbh

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:03 pm

One thing the commentators missed during the frantic last overs was that once England needed 2 to win with Stokes facing Lyon, a single would have tied the game at least and stopped the aussies winning the ashes. It still seems unreal that we won

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:05 pm

FCBurnley wrote:One thing the commentators missed during the frantic last overs was that once England needed 2 to win with Stokes facing Lyon, a single would have tied the game at least and stopped the aussies winning the ashes. It still seems unreal that we won

I celebrated that run for that reason. Leach saved the Ashes with that single. As soon as Stokes was back on strike I felt certain that we would get the additional run to win it though.