England v Australia 3rd Ashes Test

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:03 am

The clue that England might struggle in their first innings could be gleaned from Archer's comments after the first day when he stated that he didn't need to try and bowl fast on that wicket, just put the balls in the right areas and that the pitch was a bit more bowler friendly. Australia have fast bowlers that can also utilise such conditions to the maximum and so it proved on the second day against an England side always prone to a batting collapse.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:26 am

Assuming this test is lost and the Ashes gone, then the opportunity is there to make wholesale changes for the final 2 tests, and this may as well include Broad. Why play him in 2 dead rubbers?
If they decide to bring Anderson back this will be enough experience to balance the younger players.
As a reward for his long and illustrious career I would make Anderson captain to lead out the side on his home ground, retain Root in the side, bat him at his preferred No. 4 and tell him to prove himself as the best batter in the country.
We may not see Jimmy in a home series after the Oval so why not give him the captaincy for the last 2 tests? (Assuming he's fully fit of course).

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:30 am

Anderson doesn't want the captaincy.

If he did he would have had it years ago.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:33 am

Don't know a great deal about cricket. Imo though Root comes over far to wet to be captain material

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:34 am

fatboy47 wrote:Anderson doesn't want the captaincy.

If he did he would have had it years ago.

Not sure he's ever been offered it, but in any case this is a totally different scenario. It's not a long term plan, just a chance to relieve Root of the captaincy and an opportunity to recognise that Anderson is the greatest English fast bowler / bowler in history, lead the team out on his own ground, and allow him to put "Captain of England" on his already impressive CV.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:35 am

There’s some crackers comments and suggestions on this thread

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:39 am

Burnley1989 wrote:There’s some crackers comments and suggestions on this thread

Maybe, but what's your response to our current crisis, and how would you go about rebuilding for the next Ashes series?
You've got to start somewhere.

CleggHall · Post by **CleggHall** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:12 am

nil_desperandum wrote:Maybe, but what's your response to our current crisis, and how would you go about rebuilding for the next Ashes series?
You've got to start somewhere.

Get rid of the new one day competition, the daft 100 ball mongrel.
Play good competitive 4 day county championship cricket throughout the season not just in April and September.
Get an England red ball coach devoted solely to developing a 5 day match squad
Reduce the number of Kolpak players a county can have.
Hope for the best!

wembley94 · Post by **wembley94** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:15 am

If you've got England selectors.thinking that you can play test match cricket.like one day cricket.than you will keep getting bowled out in less than 30 overs...Great one day players like Butler just look lost

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:02 am

nil_desperandum wrote:Maybe, but what's your response to our current crisis, and how would you go about rebuilding for the next Ashes series?
You've got to start somewhere.

I was at a sportsman’s dinner with Darren Lehmann on Thursday and he suggested there will only be 3 touring test teams in the future as the others simply couldn’t afford to continue doing it. It’s a shame but I can see where he’s coming from, the other formats will take over. I love test cricket over any other format but I doubt you’ll find too many youngsters with the same thinking these days.

I feel for Root, he’s taken the captaincy when there’s not really anybody suitable to replace him, he’s also batting at 3 because nobody else can, literally taking one for the team. You play your best players in their best positions, I read somewhere this morning that you wouldn’t play Messi at centre half because your defence was crap.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:27 am

Burnley1989 wrote: I feel for Root, he’s taken the captaincy when there’s not really anybody suitable to replace him, he’s also batting at 3 because nobody else can, literally taking one for the team. You play your best players in their best positions, I read somewhere this morning that you wouldn’t play Messi at centre half because your defence was crap.

Generally agree, but statistically you might as well have Leach batting at 3 and scoring 0, as have Root doing the same. (Not a serious suggestion by the way).
Root needs to be able to concentrate on his batting and bat in his favoured position.
I wouldn't give the captaincy to Stokes since he is generally our best player at present (excepting Archer, who is playing in different circumstances), and we don't want it affecting his game too.
Hence the only 2 realistic options are Broad and Anderson, and as I posted earlier today, it might not be the worst thing to offer it to Anderson (if fit) on his home ground and for the final test. It would be a win / win for him. Whoever we select he'd be part of good bowling unit and no-one would expect runs from him.
Put some new young batters in with Burns, Root (at 4) and Stokes, and give Foakes the gloves.Even if the youngsters fail they'll most likely score more than 67 between them, and we'll find out something about them.
After the series all options could then be considered.
Obviously if Anderson isn't fit enough then I'd give Broad the captain's job, but I don't think he'd be as supportive to the young players as senior pro Anderson would.

Local cricketer · Post by **Local cricketer** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:36 am

Another shambles from Bairstow

Bertiebeehead · Post by **Bertiebeehead** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:39 am

Neither Anderson or Broad are captain material.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:42 am

Bertiebeehead wrote:Neither Anderson or Broad are captain material.

I agree with that,but I don't think there is anyone else.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:44 am

Bertiebeehead wrote:Neither Anderson or Broad are captain material.

One might say - neither is Root, and if it's only 2 tests with the series lost, one might also say, what have we got to lose?
At least we might find out whether the captaincy is affecting Root's batting.
And as I posted, neither of them would be under any pressure whatsoever.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:36 pm

Here we go.
Geoffrey's grandma and a stick of rhubarb anyone?

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:56 pm

You just can’t imagine root saying “right lads, 8 sessions, leave everything, soften the ball, tire them out”

More like “right lads if it’s over by 6 we can have a night out in Leeds”

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:27 pm

Well LavatoryChain or whatever he is called has shown exactly how to bat in test cricket. No risks. Leave every ball you don’t need to play. Don’t worry about scoring. Take the shine off the ball. Hit the odd bad ball and pick up singles when you can. Let’s see if England have learned from him

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:35 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Well LavatoryChain or whatever he is called has shown exactly how to bat in test cricket. No risks. Leave every ball you don’t need to play. Don’t worry about scoring. Take the shine off the ball. Hit the odd bad ball and pick up singles when you can. Let’s see if England have learned from him

Why would they have learnt? They saw smith do it for 2 tests. They just don’t have it in them to play like that.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:35 pm

You may well refer to him as Lavatory Chain but he may well have flushed England's hopes of retaining the Ashes down the pan.

Labuschagne saw Smith play like that for 2 Tests and was able to step straight in and replicate it.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:35 pm

Bat for 2.5 days and we win.....!

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:39 pm

kentonclaret wrote:You may well refer to him as Lavatory Chain but he may well have flushed England's hopes of retaining the Ashes down the pan.

Labuschagne saw Smith play like that for 2 Tests and was able to step straight in and replicate it.

Labuschagne scored 1000 runs playing red ball cricket for Glamorgan in preparation for this.

Our schedule in 2020 means if we continue with this same sqauad it has the potential to be a disaster.

Bertiebeehead · Post by **Bertiebeehead** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:58 pm

Woeful

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:01 pm

The delivery to dismiss Roy was top quality pace bowling from the number ranked fast bowler. Some times a little credit has to go to the bowler even though Roy should revert to bish bash bosh and 100 ball cricket (when it starts).

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:23 pm

Fair assessment on Roy. Burns had a mare though.

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:36 pm

Root out. Not strong enough to be captain.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:51 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Well LavatoryChain or whatever he is called has shown exactly how to bat in test cricket. No risks. Leave every ball you don’t need to play. Don’t worry about scoring. Take the shine off the ball. Hit the odd bad ball and pick up singles when you can. Let’s see if England have learned from him

Labuschagne had some fortune but he earned that through his diligence,you can't score runs in the dressing room,he left really well that's definitely something England could take note off.

In a normal test match you'd aim to bat for at least a 100 overs,if you do that you will usually post a decent total,the key is seeing off the new ball as you correctly state,England not long ago had a top 4 of Strauss,Cook,Trott and Bell,all of that quartet could bat for a full day if necessary,now the XI struggle to bat for a single session.

They're fighting somewhat in the 2nd innings,but this game was lost on the 2nd morning,if you get shot out for 67,it's incredibly hard to win a 5 day test match,Australia haven't exactly piled on the runs,they only totalled 179 and 246,and yet they'll likely win this game by 150-200 runs.

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 3:15 pm

Should we just go for it ?....whats the point in a draw..treat it as a 50/50 match.

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 3:19 pm

The Enclosure wrote:Should we just go for it ?....whats the point in a draw..treat it as a 50/50 match.

A draw?

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 3:51 pm

One thing is certain this won't be a draw,if we could only have done this 24 hours ago

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 3:55 pm

A draw is 200/1 with befair !!
England could well win this

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 3:57 pm

paulatky wrote:A draw is 200/1 with befair !!
England could well win this

They could but they wont

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:15 pm

90-2 at tea much better display from England,but why wait until their backs are against the wall to show this application,still need another 269 for an unlikely win.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:25 pm

tiger76 wrote:Labuschagne had some fortune but he earned that through his diligence,you can't score runs in the dressing room,he left really well that's definitely something England could take note off.

In a normal test match you'd aim to bat for at least a 100 overs,if you do that you will usually post a decent total,the key is seeing off the new ball as you correctly state,England not long ago had a top 4 of Strauss,Cook,Trott and Bell,all of that quartet could bat for a full day if necessary,now the XI struggle to bat for a single session.

They're fighting somewhat in the 2nd innings,but this game was lost on the 2nd morning,if you get shot out for 67,it's incredibly hard to win a 5 day test match,Australia haven't exactly piled on the runs,they only totalled 179 and 246,and yet they'll likely win this game by 150-200 runs.

In future tests we have to find a way to flush out LavatoryChain. Obviously we could BOWL him. Or maybe get him caught at turd man. Hopefully he will prove to be just a flash in the pan but as a last resort we could visit The Cistern Chapel and pray. Well done to Root and Denly in the last session.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:44 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:Root out. Not strong enough to be captain.

Are you sure GWW

I am currently watching 2 hours later and Root is definitely still in

Shoulda gone to specsavers

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:17 pm

Just noticed that the aussies have specialist short leg Bankrupt on as sub fielder. Anybody know who went off ‘injured’ ?

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:21 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Just noticed that the aussies have specialist short leg Bankrupt on as sub fielder. Anybody know who went off ‘injured’ ?

Wade i think,are you suggesting that was a tactical substitution,surely not.

If this pair keep going they might have to bring the sandpaper into play.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:28 pm

I guess so. Wade back on now. Obviously the aussies wouldn’t resort to cheating......,,again !

CleggHall · Post by **CleggHall** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:31 pm

Credit where it's due, 50s for both Root and Denly, well done.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:35 pm

Shocking decision there for the LBW.no wonder Root reviewed,a huge nick.

Local cricketer · Post by **Local cricketer** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:39 pm

It's the hope that kills you

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:40 pm

Another shocker! The rule not to have English and Aussie umpires is ridiculous!!!! The cameras would pick up on bias, I’d put money on the bias being the other way if anything

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:42 pm

CleggHall wrote:Credit where it's due, 50s for both Root and Denly, well done.

They've done well but they both need to make hundreds before England are in contention.

The total is ticking down though only 222 more required,so another good partnership after this and who knows,but we saw in the Aussie's 1st innings how quickly it can swing,136-2 became 145-5,if that happens here it's game over.

If England could have done this in the 1st innings it would be a different game that's the annoyance with this team.

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:56 pm

Bosscat wrote:Are you sure GWW

I am currently watching 2 hours later and Root is definitely still in

Shoulda gone to specsavers

Yawn

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:58 pm

If Root can get 250, the rest might make it....now Denly has his 50!

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:13 pm

Denly gone for 50,now England have to ensure no more fall tonight 141-3,partnership of 126,need a few more now.

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:15 pm

Ridiculous that before Denly fell we were 11/8 to win.

Not sure what’s worse, that or the 5/1 we were at the start of our second innings.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:59 pm

It’s like watching Geoff Boycott and Chris Tavare....

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:07 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:It’s like watching Geoff Boycott and Chris Tavare....

That'll do me.

Athers next in (if needed) & we might stand a chance.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:09 pm

Real good discipline from Stokes and exceptional from Root. We have half a chance now. The new ball will be interesting....