Villa v Everton

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:23 pm

Villa 1-0

Everton asleep at the back after being on top most of the game.

HunterST_BFC · Post by **HunterST_BFC** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:34 pm

Anyone else noticed Villa defending formation very similar to ours?
Loads of blocks.
Two banks of players tight etc

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:43 pm

I hope you're not suggesting that Dyche has been plagiarising Dean Smith all these years!

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:48 pm

Everton have been awful.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:50 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:I hope you're not suggesting that Dyche has been plagiarising Dean Smith all these years!

No he's suggesting that Heaton has taken over as the defensive coach.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:52 pm

And there was me thinking my suggestion was a bit far fetched

theroyaldyche · Post by **theroyaldyche** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:53 pm

Terrible game so far

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:55 pm

Marco Silva - how on earth did he get the Everton job as he did nowt at Hull apart from getting them relegated, and he hardly did a great job at Watford, except down tools.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:56 pm

Spijed wrote:Marco Silva - how on earth did he get the Everton job as he did nowt at Hull apart from getting them relegated, and he hardly did a great job at Watford, except down tools.

I think with managers like these they give the illusion of being good, with apparent good football, on the ground, pass-pass-pass, and somehow the "bigger" clubs will fall for it.

Dyche would do a good job at an Everton.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:59 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote: Dyche would do a good job at an Everton.

Be careful!

Have you seen the film Beetlejuice?

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:00 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Be careful!

Have you seen the film Beetlejuice?

My second favourite Michael Keaton film

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:02 pm

Long may they continue to look elsewhere and continue to employ the latest Fancy Dan.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:02 pm

He's got a 50% win rate over his career of over 300 games. At Everton he averages 1.5 pts per game with a win rate over 40%

He is obviously a good manager with a good record who you have some weird obsession with

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:04 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:He's got a 50% win rate over his career of over 300 games. At Everton he averages 1.5 pts per game with a win rate over 40%

He is obviously a good manager with a good record who you have some weird obsession with

Didn't actually see his stats, pretty impressive. Dyche on 38% with us, equally as impressive to be fair.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:06 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Didn't actually see his stats, pretty impressive. Dyche on 38% with us, equally as impressive to be fair.

Yep Dyche's stats are fantasic especially given he's been managing us in the Premier League for most of it but then he's a fantastically good manager

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:07 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Yep Dyche's stats are fantasic especially given he's been managing us in the Premier League for most of it but then he's a fantastically good manager

I like Silva to be fair, clearly done a good job to get in at Everton.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:07 pm

How the **** was that a foul btw

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:08 pm

Everton are a strange one. Spend fortunes every season and are almost always average.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:09 pm

Who's the guy with "the hair" ?

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:17 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:He's got a 50% win rate over his career of over 300 games. At Everton he averages 1.5 pts per game with a win rate over 40%

He is obviously a good manager with a good record who you have some weird obsession with

Statistics eh!! Not so hot in the PL
Team From. To. P. W. D. L. %
Estoril 27 September 2011 21 May 2014 116 54 31 31 46.6
Sporting CP 21 May 2014 4 June 2015 53 31 15 7 58.5
Olympiacos 8 July 2015 23 June 2016 48 38 3 7 79.2

Hull City 5 January 2017 25 May 2017 22 8 3 11 36.4
Watford 27 May 2017 21 January 2018 26 8 5 13 30.8
Everton 31 May 2018 Present 44 18 11 15 40.9

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:17 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:He's got a 50% win rate over his career of over 300 games. At Everton he averages 1.5 pts per game with a win rate over 40%

He is obviously a good manager with a good record who you have some weird obsession with

His win rate with Everton isn't that impressive given that, other than BFS, it's the lowest of any Everton manager since Walter Smith.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:26 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:Statistics eh!! Not so hot in the PL
Team From. To. P. W. D. L. %
Estoril 27 September 2011 21 May 2014 116 54 31 31 46.6
Sporting CP 21 May 2014 4 June 2015 53 31 15 7 58.5
Olympiacos 8 July 2015 23 June 2016 48 38 3 7 79.2

Hull City 5 January 2017 25 May 2017 22 8 3 11 36.4
Watford 27 May 2017 21 January 2018 26 8 5 13 30.8
Everton 31 May 2018 Present 44 18 11 15 40.9

Dyche has a 29% win rate in the Prem League

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:34 pm

Tall Paul wrote:His win rate with Everton isn't that impressive given that, other than BFS, it's the lowest of any Everton manager since Walter Smith.

Given that other than BFS there has only been three other managers of which one was David Moyes who is one of their best managers in the last 50 years Id say its not that great a stat. The other tewo were Martinez and Koeman who were both pretty highly rated and successful managers at the time

Another way of looking at is excluding caretakers only 3 of the last 12 Everton managers have a better record that Silva does

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:37 pm

Stuck at work so only getting the scores and stats
Are they doing an Arsenal 65% possession and only 1 shot on target.

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:38 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:Stuck at work so only getting the scores and stats
Are they doing an Arsenal 65% possession and only 1 shot on target.

Not even in the same book as arsenal, never mind the same page.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:41 pm

Kean hit post with a good shot on the turn

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:41 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Dyche has a 29% win rate in the Prem League

Not bad given a relegation season in that.

One stat I do know is we’ve won 1.44 points per game under Dyche, that’s all league games from Oct 2012.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:42 pm

JohnMac wrote:Kean hit post with a good shot on the turn

That was Iwobi.

Moist Keane (yes, I know) has been almost Nimani like in his performance.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:43 pm

It will confuse me having Kean & Keane.

Slightly better than Nimani I think.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:44 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Given that other than BFS there has only been three other managers of which one was David Moyes who is one of their best managers in the last 50 years Id say its not that great a stat. The other tewo were Martinez and Koeman who were both pretty highly rated and successful managers at the time

Another way of looking at is excluding caretakers only 3 of the last 12 Everton managers have a better record that Silva does

I make it 5 out of 12. Koeman, Martinez, Moyes, Harvey and Kendall. It's not really fair to compare over such different eras though, which is why I only went back as far as Moyes.

Everton are also the richest they've been for a long time and will have high expectations this season.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:45 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Not bad given a relegation season in that.

One stat I do know is we’ve won 1.44 points per game under Dyche, that’s all league games from Oct 2012.

As I said earlier I think Dyche's stats are fantastic and that he's a fantastic manager. Some people just seem to struggle to give anyone outside our club any credit and Silva is a good manager who's had a good career and is doing ok at Everton (so far)

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:45 pm

ClaretTony wrote:It will confuse me having Kean & Keane.

Slightly better than Nimani I think.

All I’ve seen him do is commit fouls, pass to Villa players and break down Everton attacks. Nimani May have been slightly better, in fairness.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:46 pm

Darthlaw wrote:That was Iwobi.

Moist Keane (yes, I know) has been almost Nimani like in his performance.

Shows how much it has gripped my attention

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:47 pm

Aren't substitutes supposed to come off via the shortest route with the new rules ?

Trézéguet just trundled off in the normal manner !!!!

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:47 pm

Wow Walcott

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:48 pm

Tall Paul wrote:I make it 5 out of 12. Koeman, Martinez, Moyes, Harvey and Kendall. It's not really fair to compare over such different eras though, which is why I only went back as far as Moyes.

Everton are also the richest they've been for a long time and will have high expectations this season.

I was looking at managers spells as Harver and Kendall both had awful follow up spells.

Either way I think to suggest Silva isnt a good manager with a good management record who so far is doing a decent job at Everton is just not accurate (I know it wasnt you who suggested this but this is the point I have been arguing against)

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:48 pm

Darthlaw wrote:All I’ve seen him do is commit fouls, pass to Villa players and break down Everton attacks. Nimani May have been slightly better, in fairness.

Nimani had one decent game for us when he scored in the reserve league win against Blackburn. Other than that I couldn’t see even a non league footballer in him.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:49 pm

What a bloody miss!

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:51 pm

Big 3 points for Villa. Shame.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:54 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:I was looking at managers spells as Harver and Kendall both had awful follow up spells.

Either way I think to suggest Silva isnt a good manager with a good management record who so far is doing a decent job at Everton is just not accurate (I know it wasnt you who suggested this but this is the point I have been arguing against)

Harvey only managed Everton once.

I don't think Silva is doing a decent job really, he's doing no better than his predecessors who were fired for underperforming.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:54 pm

Sickening commentary at the end there.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:55 pm

Think the commentators have got their chairs pregnant.

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:55 pm

They deserved that second goal and the win. Everton were rubbish.

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:55 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Harvey only managed Everton once.

I don't think Silva is doing a decent job really, he's doing no better than his predecessors who were fired for underperforming.

I’d say he was doing worse given how much money he has spent.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:56 pm

Everton very poor. Hell of an atmosphere there.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:57 pm

Everton are usually good for giving points to newly promoted teams.

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:59 pm

burnleymik wrote:Everton very poor. Hell of an atmosphere there.

Hopefully it’s calmed down a bit in a few weeks for our visit.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:07 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Harvey only managed Everton once.

I don't think Silva is doing a decent job really, he's doing no better than his predecessors who were fired for underperforming.

Yes on them stats you are right think id included a couple of caretakers.

On your other point Martinez had been there 3 years and had been successful but as happens in football results change and you get fired. He definitely wasnt perforing at +40% win rate the final year in fact is was under 30%

Same with Koeman he had a successful season and then only won 2 games in 10 the next season which is why he got sacked

Silva is on a par with when his predecessors they were deemed to be doing a good job. If his win rate stays around 40% I guarantee Silva will not get fired.

If the expectation is for Silva to be considered to be doing OK he has to break the top 6 then just just shows how ridiculous expectations are in football and its no wonder the turnover of managers is what it is

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:14 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:Not even in the same book as arsenal, never mind the same page.

By doing an Arsenal I meant trying to walk the ball into the net, rather than shooting.

bfcmartin · Post by **bfcmartin** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:19 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Yes on them stats you are right think id included a couple of caretakers.

On your other point Martinez had been there 3 years and had been successful but as happens in football results change and you get fired. He definitely wasnt perforing at +40% win rate the final year in fact is was under 30%

Same with Koeman he had a successful season and then only won 2 games in 10 the next season which is why he got sacked

Silva is on a par with when his predecessors they were deemed to be doing a good job. If his win rate stays around 40% I guarantee Silva will not get fired.

If the expectation is for Silva to be considered to be doing OK he has to break the top 6 then just just shows how ridiculous expectations are in football and its no wonder the turnover of managers is what it is

Well the turnover of managers at Burnley is something to be admired then