No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

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No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by paulatky » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:09 pm

Is he injured or out of favour at the Championship’s bottom club ?

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:19 pm

Either way think he’ll be playing for a new Manager very soon!

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:19 pm

Having a pint in the pub with Vydra.

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:22 pm

I think Jones has lost the plot to be honest. Blasted his players in midweek and then made wholesale changes today. Won't be there much longer.

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:26 pm

Jones is tapped. Buys Vokes then 6 months later brings in Hogan for 10 million plus to play the same role. Gets rid of Pieters and brings in Ward, 2 years older. Yet tells the fans last year he was all about youth hence alienating 6 players immediately after walking through the door.

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by ElectroClaret » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:27 pm

Both Stoke and Hull have dipped quite a bit since their drop from the PL.
Both well beaten today (and Hull suffering the humiliation of being beaten in midweek by Venkys).

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by paulatky » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:46 pm

Just noticed Butland,Allen and Hogan on the bench today.
Cant see Jones lasting much longer as manager there

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by IanMcL » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:59 pm

Player revolt!

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:12 pm

Neither Vokes nor Ward making the 18

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by Murger » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:22 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Neither Vokes nor Ward making the 18
Ward wasn't even on the bench in midweek.

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:23 pm

I bet those two are on about £60k a week as well between them.

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:23 pm

Murger wrote:Ward wasn't even on the bench in midweek.
He's played one game so far. Vokes was on the bench midweek, I think he came on late.

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by conyoviejo » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:24 pm

Dirty Leeds took full advantage.. :(

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by mkmel » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:28 pm

He gave the captains armband to an 18 year old

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by wilks_bfc » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:36 pm

mkmel wrote:He gave the captains armband to an 18 year old

He’s only made 7 appearances :shock:
When you have a experienced players such as Federici, Clucus & McClean starting, that’s a hell of a move.

As others have said can’t see Jones being there much longer

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:05 pm

Wonder how many Stoke fans who demanded a change in playing style are regretting it now!?

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by mkmel » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:23 pm

What are Pulis or Allardyce doing?

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:25 pm

Vokes and Ward gone from playing in Europe to not even making the squad in the Championship - that's fairly incredible

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by NottsClaret » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:30 pm

Luton seemed to have coped without him managing them.

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by Swizzlestick » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:45 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Wonder how many Stoke fans who demanded a change in playing style are regretting it now!?
Considering the way Pulis has vacuumed all the spirit out of Boro, they’re probably mindful that it’s more down to poor recruitment rather than actually having the temerity to see their team trying to play football.

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:59 pm

Swizzlestick wrote:Considering the way Pulis has vacuumed all the spirit out of Boro, they’re probably mindful that it’s more down to poor recruitment rather than actually having the temerity to see their team trying to play football.
Not sure what he did at Boro has to do with his record at Stoke??

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by Swizzlestick » Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:23 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Not sure what he did at Boro has to do with his record at Stoke??
He was potted at Stoke because his tactics became stale and the relentless grinding football was just too much. This was evidenced in his most recent managerial stint at Boro, so it has a lot to do with it.

Stoke are where they are because they’ve made poor choices in both managerial and player recruitment, not because they deviated from PulisBall. They finished top 10 in the Prem in 3 consecutive seasons after he left playing a more progressive style.

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:25 pm

Lets be honest players have succeeded at Burnley cos theyve fitted into the specific way Dyche wants to manage things

Ash Barnes would prob struggle to get into a top 10 Championship side (never mind the Prem) so its no wonder players like Vokes drop like a stone once their not honed exactly to the Dyche way

Barnes, Hendrick, Bardsley, Long, Peters wouldnt get near any other Prem side but we have the Dyche factor and 100% that is why we keep staying up (despite how poor our team is getting in context to the other 19 clubs)
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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by MACCA » Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:40 pm

Not fancied by a manager that wants to play football, and if we are being honest, he is only a very average striker in that league for a manager who wants to play long ball anyway

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by MACCA » Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:42 pm

NottsClaret wrote:Luton seemed to have coped without him managing them.
Absolutely, theres always an issue when managers get ideas above their station, or Arnett able to step up and manage the multiple million pound players and/,egos at the next club.

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by ayrshireclaret83 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:45 pm

Apparently in talks over a loan move to Rangers according to friends in Scotland.

Not seen anything reported anywhere.

So he would go from the bench at stoke to the bench at ibrox

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by kaptin1 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:45 pm

Not many players leave Burnley and go on to better their playing careers, although many better their salaries. Tripper, Keane and to a lesser extent Ings being notable exceptions.

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by elwaclaret » Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:52 pm

Sam is not popular down there judging by a mate of mine that supports Stoke. I expect SG understands more how to make the most of Sam so hope a loan is agreed.

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by Dark Cloud » Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:03 pm

It didn't start well for Vokesy down there, sadly. I THINK he missed a penalty, which isn't like him, in his first or second game. Then he actually scored early in another game, but was promptly injured and laid up for a spell. He's since missed another penalty (I THINK?) and been somewhat on the fringe and the fans haven't really seen the best of him so unsurprisingly don't rate him. He'd be good at Rangers imo.

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by Winstonswhite » Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:10 pm

So are we in agreement that it seems getting 8 million for Vokes was a good move by the club now?

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by Foulthrow » Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:12 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Jones is tapped. Buys Vokes then 6 months later brings in Hogan for 10 million plus to play the same role. Gets rid of Pieters and brings in Ward, 2 years older. Yet tells the fans last year he was all about youth hence alienating 6 players immediately after walking through the door.
Hulk Hogan?

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by Foulthrow » Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:15 pm

Btw, I’d have Vokes back here if Stoke want rid.
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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by Dark Cloud » Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:46 pm

Well I'd definitely have Tim back. He's a great lad!! :D

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by tiger76 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 12:08 am

ayrshireclaret83 wrote:Apparently in talks over a loan move to Rangers according to friends in Scotland.

Not seen anything reported anywhere.

So he would go from the bench at stoke to the bench at ibrox
That's news to me,i can only see a loan deal for Sam if Morelos moves for big money,the fact that Scotty is thriving at Ibrox might play a part in Sam's decision.and the lure of EL football is a big pull.

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by Greenmile » Sun Aug 25, 2019 12:41 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:Lets be honest players have succeeded at Burnley cos theyve fitted into the specific way Dyche wants to manage things

Ash Barnes would prob struggle to get into a top 10 Championship side (never mind the Prem) so its no wonder players like Vokes drop like a stone once their not honed exactly to the Dyche way

Barnes, Hendrick, Bardsley, Long, Peters wouldnt get near any other Prem side but we have the Dyche factor and 100% that is why we keep staying up (despite how poor our team is getting in context to the other 19 clubs)
I agree with the wider point you’re making, but this is a ludicrous assertion, imho.
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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:02 am

Sam Vokes is one of the reasons we are playing Premier League football.
Hes a class act who will score for fun given service
Stoke we pxxx poor v PNE and claerly no better v Dirty Leeds.
They lack leadership on the pitch and even Joe Allen looks a shadow of his former self
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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by Shore claret » Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:47 am

Forgot Clucas moved to Stoke, I bet he's reliving that conversation with his agent on a daily basis.

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:52 am

Shore claret wrote:Forgot Clucas moved to Stoke, I bet he's reliving that conversation with his agent on a daily basis.
Was our decision not to sign Clucas

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:09 am

Jones said the strange thing of he's not getting the best out of his team at the moment but doesn't know if he's failing? after yesterdays game.

He won't last long.

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by IanMcL » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:57 am

Jones the sack.

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by Helmshore Claret » Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:30 pm

Sam Vokes was, IMO, one of the best headers of the ball in the PL. He is a great example of the coaching, manager's loyalty to players and team spirit at Turf Moor where the "whole is greater than the sum of the parts". Perhaps buyers should beware.

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by Shore claret » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:15 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Was our decision not to sign Clucas
Didn't know that.

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Re: No Vokesy in Stoke squad today

Post by Wembley09 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:22 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I think Jones has lost the plot to be honest. Blasted his players in midweek and then made wholesale changes today. Won't be there much longer.
I was saying the same yesterday. Jones doesn't seem to know how to handle bigger name players (compared to Luton) he shipped loads on this summer, and said now is the time to judge him.

He blasted Butland, said Ince shouldn't shoot from range cause he's poor at it, dropped Allen.. publicly criticised his own players,. I know he's really feeling the pressure but it won't be long before he loses the players (if not already) I know he's already started to lose the Stoke fans.

Felt sorry for Butland, keepers can make a mistake at anytime.. and he did look gutted at Deepdale last week. Yet Jones ripped into him and his speculation/ missed England call up.

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