Failing to provide roadside breath test

Too much time with Parlour and Brazil on Talk Sport. They are constantly on the pop.

ClaretTony wrote:Failing to provide roadside breath test

Is there a driving ban as well?

Leisure wrote:Is there a driving ban as well?

30 Months.

That’s rather harsh, it’s normally just a 12 month ban.

BennyD wrote:That’s rather harsh, it’s normally just a 12 month ban.

think he might have irritated the judge during appearance at trial:

District Judge Nicholas Sanders told him: "Throughout these proceedings you have shown yourself to be arrogant, thinking you are someone whose previous and current role in the public eye entitles you to be above the law.

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A maximum sentence of six months can be carried if a person fails to provide a specimen for analysis when told to do so by police officers. So seems like he got off fairly lightly with 10 weeks.

Hardly harsh.

Sounds about right to me but could have got longer bird. There is absolutely no excuse for drinking and driving these days. There is no excuse for refusing a test either. Add that to it being someone with more money than sense, what is wrong with getting an Uber. Absolute disgrace and should have got the full 6 months imo

Will the Welsh FA not overturn the ruling and set him free?

BennyD wrote:That’s rather harsh, it’s normally just a 12 month ban.

That's when a DD isn't excessively over the limit and they cooperate by providing a breath test or blood sample. HTH.

Anyway, I'd have given him the maximum ban and jail term .

I hope they allow him to still do his radio as behind Parlour he's probably Brazil's best co-presenter

Devils_Advocate wrote:I hope they allow him to still do his radio as behind Parlour he's probably Brazil's best co-presenter

That's Talkshite for you. Terrible station. It's the pondlife of radio. Say what you want about BBC, but R5 is great. And so is 6Music.

The comments from the judge is exactly why the Judicial system in this country is pathetic.

Because he is in the public eye means he should expect a "deterrent sentence"?

What about the burglars, thieves and idiots who are constantly before the bench, but who receive no such custodial sentance? Surely a sentence to deter them from committing crime, and making the lives a misery of members of the public should also be imposed?

** By no means am I arguing the case of Saunders, drink driving is abhorrent, and if you play with feathers, you get you're arse tickled.

Dont like him and think anyone caught drink driving should have the book thriwn at them. But how does he get 10 weeks and Trevor Sinclair gets away with it and much worse after being arrested?

Billy Balfour wrote:That's Talkshite for you. Terrible station. It's the pondlife of radio. Say what you want about BBC, but R5 is great. And so is 6Music.

Dont care about the rest but Alan Brazil and his breakfast show is legendary

So him at a sportsmans dinner a couple of years ago he was brilliant. Told the p1ssed Brian Clough story again.

While we are on about drink driving. Outright bans should be given to those who have three DD convictions. I'd also give out lifetime bans to those on their second DD offence if they were excessively over the limit.

Saunders says he only had two pints. So why didn't he comply with the breath test? We know, don't we and so did the judge.

Six month jail for that offence isn’t long enough. Especially if that means 15 pints or 2 pints is the same maximum punishment.

Driving on a phone is a much bigger issue though. Can’t believe how common it is.

6m is too lenient.

His actions could have taken some poor unsuspecting innocent victims life just because he wanted a beer.

Zero tolerance

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Driving on a phone is a much bigger issue though. Can’t believe how common it is.

Someone nearly wiped me out the other week. They were on the wrong side of the road while jabbering on a mobile phone. The law is too lenient. It should be a three month ban because the current sanction isn't working.

The fool could quite easily lose his job to

Insane refusing a breath test unless he thought he’d be below a couple of hours later when they offer blood test ?

Perhaps he was truly steaming or some previous

Is the punishment too lenient? Maybe. The person who wrote my car off, was well over the limit and could hardly stand up, received a ban and small fine.

Surely that is worse that failure to provide? Why no jail term? Why isn’t there a consistency in sentencing?

AlargeClaret wrote:Insane refusing a breath test unless he thought he’d be below a couple of hours later when they offer blood test ?

Perhaps he was truly steaming or some previous

30 months indicates previous

30 months seems harsh. Is it his first time?

Claretforever wrote:Is the punishment too lenient? Maybe. The person who wrote my car off, was well over the limit and could hardly stand up, received a ban and small fine.

Surely that is worse that failure to provide? Why no jail term? Why isn’t there a consistency in sentencing?

The point is that failure to provide has to be a worse punishment than drink driving otherwise everyone would refuse to give a sample and take the lesser punishment.

(Although that's not to say that the punishment wasn't too lenient in your case)

Not surprised, whenever I hear him on the radio his inane ramblings sound like those of a drunk.

ClaretFelix wrote:The comments from the judge is exactly why the Judicial system in this country is pathetic.

Because he is in the public eye means he should expect a "deterrent sentence"?

What about the burglars, thieves and idiots who are constantly before the bench, but who receive no such custodial sentance? Surely a sentence to deter them from committing crime, and making the lives a misery of members of the public should also be imposed?

** By no means am I arguing the case of Saunders, drink driving is abhorrent, and if you play with feathers, you get you're arse tickled.

I think the point may be that most burglars and petty thieves don't normally do physical harm whereas drink driving can cause death, and usually to someone other than the drunk. Not defending burglars (far from it) but I do believe drink driving is far more dangerous and therefore should be treated as such.

Not the brightest spanner in the toolbox !!

tybfc wrote:Will the Welsh FA not overturn the ruling and set him free?

Awaiting international clearance

IWOODLOVETT wrote:Not the brightest spanner in the toolbox !!

Just a "tool"

bfcjg wrote:So him at a sportsmans dinner a couple of years ago he was brilliant. Told the p1ssed Brian Clough story again.

The story at the link?

Top bullshit.

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houseboy wrote:I think the point may be that most burglars and petty thieves don't normally do physical harm whereas drink driving can cause death, and usually to someone other than the drunk. Not defending burglars (far from it) but I do believe drink driving is far more dangerous and therefore should be treated as such.

Judges have said many times that a car, can be said to be a lethal weapon particularly when the driver has been drinking. If someone whilst under the influence of drink or drugs ran around with a knife in his hand, you would expect him to be arrested, charged and possibly be imprisoned. Drink driving kills or badly injures people and drivers take a chance of not being caught. I've absolutely no sympathy for anyone who gets behind the wheel of a car when they have been drinking - in this case I think the District Judge was right in his sentencing of Saunders.

agreenwood wrote:The story at the link?

Top bullshit.

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I prefer my own story about him, how he ripped off a non-league club for £750 back in 1982 when they were desperate for money. I've never told it at a dinner though but I was there and he did have his green top on.

Billy Balfour wrote:That's when a DD isn't excessively over the limit and they cooperate by providing a breath test or blood sample. HTH.

How can you tell when someone isn’t excessively over the limit if they don’t provide samples? Failing to provide a breath specimen and/or blood or urine sample is a legislated 12 month ban, as there isn’t any actual evidence to present to the court that an offence was committed.

BennyD wrote:How can you tell when someone isn’t excessively over the limit if they don’t provide samples?

I'm at a loss as to what you are getting at here, Benny. You said the sentence was 'rather harsh' and I pointed out that he refused to cooperate with the police. Anyway, I'll leave it at that. I just can't be bothered to keep pointing out the bleeding obvious.

agreenwood wrote:The story at the link?

Top bullshit.

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Clough had taken his side to the FA Cup final that year, one of six Wembley visits in four seasons. He obviously rated Saunders – who has been informed that his story is disputed and chosen not to comment

Chosen not to comment when pulled up about making stuff up about a dead man. He's rather classy, isn't he.

Billy Balfour wrote:I'm at a loss as to what you are getting at here, Benny. You said the sentence was 'rather harsh' and I pointed out that he refused to cooperate with the police. Anyway, I'll leave it at that. I just can't be bothered to keep pointing out the bleeding obvious.

Please allow me to then; if you don’t get a breath test result or blood sample, how do you know if the driver is excessively over the limit? To cover this situation of non-compliance, there is an offence of ‘failing to provide’ a specimen which has a mandatory 12 month + ban. I said I thought it was rather harsh because I haven’t heard of anyone getting a custodial sentence for ‘failing to provide’ as well as a lengthy ban from driving.

Released after just 1 day in jail pending an appeal to be heard in October.

I'm up for this
Jail for every drunk driver
Lifetime ban from driving.

Billy Balfour wrote:Clough had taken his side to the FA Cup final that year, one of six Wembley visits in four seasons. He obviously rated Saunders – who has been informed that his story is disputed and chosen not to comment

Chosen not to comment when pulled up about making stuff up about a dead man. He's rather classy, isn't he.

I’ve been to quite a lot of ex clough player sportsman’s dinners, I’m board of them now and like you say I feel the majority is massively exaggerated and unfair at times

middleton claret wrote:Released after just 1 day in jail pending an appeal to be heard in October.

Mama!! Mama!!

He pleaded guilty yet is appealing he verdict. What a certain. The judge who sent him down for 10 weeks says he acted like he was above the law and you can see why. If he gets let off then it’ll prove him right to be like that.

thelaughingclaret wrote:He pleaded guilty yet is appealing he verdict. What a certain. The judge who sent him down for 10 weeks says he acted like he was above the law and you can see why. If he gets let off then it’ll prove him right to be like that.

Understand that he's not appealing the guilty verdict but the length of his sentence. If his appeal is turned down he should be given an even longer sentence!

Billy Balfour wrote:That's Talkshite for you. Terrible station. It's the pondlife of radio. Say what you want about BBC, but R5 is great. And so is 6Music.

Radio 5 is good and has had a lot of consistently good presenters other than this Nihal guy who is on in the afternoons who is dreadful imo.

Idiot...

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Blackrod wrote:Radio 5 is good and has had a lot of consistently good presenters other than this Nihal guy who is on in the afternoons who is dreadful imo.

I put 6Music on. I can't be doing with his long rambling monologues.

agreenwood wrote:Idiot...

He only had one pint. I wouldn't like to see what he's like when he's had two.