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Danny Drinkwater

Postby jedi_master » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:48 pm

Well - those that had the misfortune to go to the Turf tonight, how was he? Did he look fit?

Very hard to judge anything off seeing goal highlights and listening to Clarets Player, but he sounded like he gave the ball away a lot from the commentary. Unlucky deflection with the first goal from his challenge diverting the ball into Grigg.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby Lord Beamish » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:50 pm

He’s a way off displacing either Cork or Westwood.
A good pass out to Vydra in the build up to our goal, but he’s so off the pace, I can’t see him starting a game for us for a while, yet.
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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby Dyched » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:56 pm

Well off the pace
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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby Vegas Claret » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:56 pm

Disappointed to hear that :(

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby jedi_master » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:57 pm

Disappointing to hear considering the short nature of his loan (which you would guess is unlikely to be extended if he cannot get into the first eleven for some weeks/months).

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby jrgbfc » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:57 pm

Will be surprised if he starts a game before Xmas.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby SGr » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:58 pm

Don’t know if it’d be any different in the league, but if he’s not capable of replacing Cork then we really did go a third consecutive transfer window without improving the first XI.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby Flat Stanley » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:59 pm

First half he was ok. Some nice touches and passes. Second half we resorted to hoof ball and bypassed midfield. He disappeared from the game. Does not look like he will fit into the more direct style we usually play in PL based on the second half but hard to judge from one game. He didn't do as much defensively as Cork or Westwood. Maybe needs game time but probably won't get it.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby whiffa » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:59 pm

SGr wrote:Don’t know if it’d be any different in the league, but if he’s not capable of replacing Cork then we really did go a third consecutive transfer window without improving the first XI.


I mean Pieters seems to have taken Taylor's spot - but I take your point.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby Steve1956 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:59 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Will be surprised if he starts a game before Xmas.

I will be surprised if he ever starts for us .
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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby CoolClaret » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:00 pm

Flat Stanley wrote:First half he was ok. Some nice touches and passes. Second half we resorted to hoof ball and bypassed midfield. He disappeared from the game. Does not look like he will fit into the more direct style we usually play in PL based on the second half but hard to judge from one game. He didn't do as much defensively as Cork or Westwood. Maybe needs game time but probably won't get it.


Did you watch anything of Leicester in the 15/16 season?
Literally the definition of direct & counter attacking football!

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby MRG » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:01 pm

He looked terrible

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby Flat Stanley » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:04 pm

Yes watched Leicester and he looked like a different player then. Also had Kante alongside him. Maybe needs more games. Probably rusty and the defensive side of his game wasn't there tonight.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby dougcollins » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:06 pm

Went into a sulk and didn't keep his fitness up at Chelsea. Allegedly.

Got paid a lot for it though.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby ClaretLoup » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:27 pm

Thought it was a bit strange that he rocked up at Burnley patently unfit despite having a pre season at Chelsea. On £100k a week he could have hired a personal trainer, but then again he is another footballer too thick to hire a taxi when he is three sheets to the wind.
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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby MDWat » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:28 pm

SGr wrote:Don’t know if it’d be any different in the league, but if he’s not capable of replacing Cork then we really did go a third consecutive transfer window without improving the first XI.


Cork’s been one of our best players so far
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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby FCBurnley » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:31 pm

Dont know how much we are paying him but it sounds like his playing time in our first team will be very limited.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby clansman » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:33 pm

You can see he has ability to pick a pass but his tackling was poor and at no time did he impose himself on the game. Seemed to struggle with our tactical shape!

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby jrgbfc » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:33 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Dont know how much we are paying him but it sounds like his playing time in our first team will be very limited.


I'd guess we'll be covering half of his alleged 100 grand a week wages.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby burnleymik » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:37 pm

He was poor in my eyes. Started off okay, but then got caught in possession numerous times and some very sloppy easy passes given away. Didn't show much passion or fight given it was his debut. On the flip side his long passes were very good.
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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby Whitgord » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:39 pm

I thought he showed some good passing ability especially in the first half. He played more of a defensive midfield role than I expected and seemed to find time to make sensible passes. With better players behind him (we really missed Tarks and Mee tonight) I am hopeful he can be an improvement on either Cork or Westwood. Just not sure he will get the chance bar injuries to the aforementioned pair.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby Leisure » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:42 pm

Give the bloke a chance! It was his first 90 minutes of serious football for quite a while. Far too early to be written off by the 'experts' on here!
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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby Cubanclaret » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:49 pm

Agree Leisure. He showed some classy touches / passes but he looked like a player who hasn’t played much competitive football for a while, and that is reflected by the fact that he hasn’t!!
Sunderland deserve some credit tonight, they closed down quickly and looked a really fit side. We didn’t work as hard as them without the ball and it cost us. Drinkwater was caught out a time or two, including for their first goal, but no need to write the guy off.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby clansman » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:54 pm

Don’t think people are writing him off, merely reflecting on how he played tonight!
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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby BobSykes » Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:00 pm

Underwhelmed despite a few nice touches.

One of the few positives tonight I thought was that we know it would be too risky giving him a PL start for quite some time. He could possibly have been thrown in against Liverpool. He won't be after tonight's showing. Nice to have flushed that out now rather than Saturday.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby KlyBfc » Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:21 pm

Body language and work off the ball smacked of someone who thought he should be somewhere else, somewhere better. I’d didn’t get the impression he wanted to play for our football club and fight to get into the team or make up for his unfortunate role in their equaliser. Perhaps he has that type of demeanour, perhaps he was gutted with his role in the first and it had adverse effect on him, perhaps it’s just because he’s not fit, perhaps I’m wrong...... but I reckon (just my opinion on tonight) we might just not extend his loan in January

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby Local cricketer » Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:30 pm

Sideways and backwards

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby Woodleyclaret » Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:51 am

As I feared. past his best.There is a reason why Chelse want rid
Again our scouting and acquiring a decent cm in the Summer caught us out
Why Benson wasnt given a run is a mystery .Danny should have grabbed his chance to shine.
On this display, it will be an age before he's given the shirt again

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby bfcmik » Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:08 am

Benson has a lot of learning to do before he is PL ready - same as the other u23 Development Squad young men. Drinkwater has had the lessons but to expect him to be ready to walk into our 1st XI after played so little in the last 2 years is crazy.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby vancouverclaret » Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:23 am

I want him to do well and sign for us. He has same name as my mum's maiden name Drinkwater who was from Denton near Manchester. We could be related ;)
Come on Danny!

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby Swizzlestick » Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:41 am

Got pelters on here for suggesting he’s going to need a hell of a lot of catching up to do to be ready. He’s barely played first team football and keeping yourself fit/playing some reserve games is not the same thing. Plus, now we’re out of the cup, it limits first team opportunities as he’s not displacing Cork/Westwood in the PL any time soon.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby agreenwood » Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:45 am

Flat Stanley wrote:Yes watched Leicester and he looked like a different player then. Also had Kante alongside him. Maybe needs more games. Probably rusty and the defensive side of his game wasn't there tonight.


He does need games, but when is he likely to get them?

There’s no case currently for him displacing Cork or Westwood and based on last night, Hendrick is more likely to start if either get injured.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby kentonclaret » Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:52 am

If most of the comments on here are correct and that we have signed a player who is unlikely to get a game before his short term loan expires then it really was a sub standard transfer window. Shame, so many had high hopes when he joined us but obviously a long way off from the player that starred for Leicester.
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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:57 am

MDWat wrote:Cork’s been one of our best players so far



When you have blamed the Wolves result on Cork (as SGr did) you can't say that. It says a lot more about his knowledge than anything else .


Those who went last night can now see that Dyche was right when saying he was behind others in terms of fitness. Strange how he seems to know these things working with the players every day. Still the non attendees who think he should just walk into the side will remind us he won the league a few year ago.
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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby burnleymik » Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:38 am

Leisure wrote:Give the bloke a chance! It was his first 90 minutes of serious football for quite a while. Far too early to be written off by the 'experts' on here!



I don't think people are writing him off, he clearly has some class about him, but the op was asking about his performance last night and that is what most of the comments here are based upon.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby Ipreferaflan » Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:48 am

Writing him off after his first competitive game in a long time. Pathetic
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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby Falcon » Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:51 am

He was awful last night. Looked way off the pace and kept giving the ball away. A good while before he will be 'Dyche fit' and clearly needs to get his sharpness back.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby Firthy » Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:19 am

kentonclaret wrote:If most of the comments on here are correct and that we have signed a player who is unlikely to get a game before his short term loan expires then it really was a sub standard transfer window. Shame, so many had high hopes when he joined us but obviously a long way off from the player that starred for Leicester.


Surely a player of Drinkwaters quality can get himself fit enough in a 4 month period to earn his place in the team. He hasn't suddenly lost the knowledge how to play, it's all down to his desire and willingness to push himself. Unfortunately with the money they get paid these days that desire isn't always there becaue they are already set for life financially.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby Papabendi » Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:48 am

100k a week and not fit...I see.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby FactualFrank » Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:53 am

Ipreferaflan wrote:Writing him off after his first competitive game in a long time. Pathetic


I remember a lot of fans writing Vokes off.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby Leisure » Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:53 am

Papabendi wrote:100k a week and not fit...I see.


Fairly certain that how much someone earns doesn't have any baring on fitness!

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby Falcon » Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:58 am

Probably the sort who doesn't believe well-off people can get depression either

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby Dyched » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:13 am

Leisure wrote:Fairly certain that how much someone earns doesn't have any baring on fitness!


No but if you’re willing to accept a football club sticking 100k in your bank every week for being a professional football player the least you can do is keep fit. Especially with the Chelsea transfer ban. He could have found himself in the first 11 or at least on the bench there with the right attitude.

It’s clear from last night he’s at least a month away from playing in the PL.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby Papabendi » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:14 am

Falcon wrote:Probably the sort who doesn't believe well-off people can get depression either


No Falcon and if I may say so, a rather leading comment. Drinkwater's very well paid position is as a pro footballer. As far as I am aware, while he didn't play much first team football last season, he wasn't injured either. He has also had a pre season. So, while some ring rustiness is not so much a concern, being noticeably off the pace against Sunderland reserves at home, and probably being more than a month away from any realistic first team football with us, as our marquee signing of the summer and probably the highest wage earner at the club, is.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby Falcon » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:19 am

He was very poor last night and didn't look fit. That's all I know.

I think speculating any further about Drinkwater, his wages, when he will play, how good he still is etc etc is a bit pointless as we're not in the know as far as his progress goes. I'll trust Mr Dyche and his team to make the right calls for now.
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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby Foshiznik » Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:45 pm

Dyched wrote:No but if you’re willing to accept a football club sticking 100k in your bank every week for being a professional football player the least you can do is keep fit. Especially with the Chelsea transfer ban. He could have found himself in the first 11 or at least on the bench there with the right attitude.

It’s clear from last night he’s at least a month away from playing in the PL.


He might be fit, but it's another question entirely on being match fit, match sharp and "Dyche fit". Purely speculating due to your jealousy of his pay packet doesn't do anyone any good.
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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby kentonclaret » Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:06 pm

Several posts on here questioning Drinky's attitude which is surprising given that Dyche spent half a season working with the player when he was at Watford in 2011. Dyche has always maintained that he would not bring a player in to the group with a poor/bad attitude.

As for fitness surely this can be judged at the time of the medical which I am sure are very thorough. Not match fitness, but the general level of fitness expected of a professional footballer.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby BurnleyFC » Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:22 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Will be surprised if he starts a game before Xmas.

:lol:

Might get to see him in action once before he goes back then.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby jrgbfc » Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:37 pm

kentonclaret wrote:Several posts on here questioning Drinky's attitude which is surprising given that Dyche spent half a season working with the player when he was at Watford in 2011. Dyche has always maintained that he would not bring a player in to the group with a poor/bad attitude.

As for fitness surely this can be judged at the time of the medical which I am sure are very thorough. Not match fitness, but the general level of fitness expected of a professional footballer.


I don't know, last few hours of the transfer window, we'd clearly run out of any other options.

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Re: Danny Drinkwater

Postby kentonclaret » Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:40 pm

"will be surprised if he starts a game before Xmas"

Even Sean Dyche looks forward to a drinky at Xmas. :D


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