Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

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Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by Sean Dyche's Watch » Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:40 pm

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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by Blackrod » Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:44 pm

Could this lead to ‘ who are all the pies ? ...... you f*t b*st*rd ....” stopping a game ?

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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:46 pm

Blackrod wrote:Could this lead to ‘ who are all the pies ? ...... you f*t b*st*rd ....” stopping a game ?
No
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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by Blackrod » Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:48 pm

Who decides whether it is acceptable to call people fat, bald, the ref blind and so on ?

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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by nil_desperandum » Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:50 pm

Blackrod wrote:Could this lead to ‘ who are all the pies ? ...... you f*t b*st*rd ....” stopping a game ?
I doubt it, but then I've never seen anyone dressed as a pie on the terraces or on the field of play.
Who "are" they? I've no idea.
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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by ClaretAndJew » Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:50 pm

When people start getting killed for being fat or bald then you'll have a point.
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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:53 pm

Blackrod wrote:Could this lead to ‘ who are all the pies ? ...... you f*t b*st*rd ....” stopping a game ?
Another thread about homophobia, and to no ones surprise Blackrod is showing sympathy for the homophobes.
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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by Blackrod » Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:59 pm

IT Making things up again to suit his agenda. I’ve no ‘sympathy’ for them. I’m commenting on the fact it is unusual for a game to be stopped for chanting and where it might lead. There are a lot of ‘unacceptable’ comments at matches and my post is more about who decides where the line is drawn.

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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by Spiral » Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:00 pm

FIFA World Cup 2018 Stadium Code (could shed some light on the issue Blackrod raised, perhaps someone can find one more appropriate to Ligue 1 but I can't read French!)

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FIFA wrote: 6. Prohibited actions
6.1. During the Events, Spectators are prohibited from:
6.1.3. insulting any other persons (which includes by use of banners, signs and other means of visual propaganda) and carrying out any other activities that humiliate and insult people, their human dignity or business reputation, acting, chanting or using language in any way that is discriminatory or extremist, aimed against a country, person or group based on race, colour of skin, ethnic, national or social background and wealth, birth or any other status, gender, disability, age, language, religion, political or other opinion, sexual orientation or on any other grounds
But there again section 6.1.6 says
FIFA wrote:acting in a manner that could detract from the Events

So I imagine it's all pretty broad-brush stuff, used to knuckle down on bigotry and discrimination wherever they see fit to punish it, but nobody committed a holocaust on folks for eating a pie or twenty so I can't see FIFA making an issue of it, even if Blackrod wants to. No doubt he's genuinely curious to know where the line is and not at all attempting to downplay homophobia.

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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by Blackrod » Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:09 pm

Under 6.1 I would say that calling someone fat could be humiliating and insulting. Chanting that the ref doesn’t know what he is doing is insulting and and could damage his reputation as a Professional referee so this should fall foul of this too as would chanting ‘you are getting sacked in the morning ‘ to a manager. So my point stilll stands.

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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by Spiral » Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:22 pm

Exactly, right! Cover as much bigotry as you can in black and white but leave aside a provision for, essentially, "being a tw@t", that allows FIFA to govern according to common sense. You should take it up with them, Blackrod. Write them an email. Or...rather, send them a carrier pigeon; that would be more apropos coming from you.

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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:30 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:I doubt it, but then I've never seen anyone dressed as a pie on the terraces or on the field of play.
Who "are" they? I've no idea.
Did you miss the pie and chips game on the Turf?

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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by dsr » Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:32 pm

What did the banner say?

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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by dsr » Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:34 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:I doubt it, but then I've never seen anyone dressed as a pie on the terraces or on the field of play.
Who "are" they? I've no idea.
Get down to Wigan. :)
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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by Wile E Coyote » Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:04 am

Blackrod wrote:Who decides whether it is acceptable to call people fat, bald, the ref blind and so on ?

the crowd

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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by Bfcboyo » Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:44 am

And the clever apes were then told to accept everything they were ordered to agree with and to smile and nod. The majority followed the orders but just a few with the strongest will power said no. The strong said it is against our rights not to be able to differ in opinion, and we won't be told what to think.

They then proceeded to smash all the other apes up and took control of reality.

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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by Siddo » Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:48 am

Blacktod, do you know what protected characteristics are?
Maybe if you read the Equalty Act, which your employer should have trained you in, then you might understand a little more.

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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:51 am

Siddo wrote:Blacktod, do you know what protected characteristics are?
Maybe if you read the Equalty Act, which your employer should have trained you in, then you might understand a little more.
He probably does. I just think he really doesn't like non-cisgender and non-straight people.
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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by AlargeClaret » Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:56 am

I think it was the huge banner stating that OM are an LGBT club that halted things rather than the resulting chants . Don’t a few French teams use the “ gay “ term against their rivals ? I know PSG call OM homosexuals and I think Lille have a chant for Lyon too

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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by AlargeClaret » Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:01 am

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Also has LGBT at the side of it .

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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by TVC15 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:03 am

Blackrod wrote:Could this lead to ‘ who are all the pies ? ...... you f*t b*st*rd ....” stopping a game ?
Wow
Is that really the best you can do ?
Is that your view / similar response if the game was stopped for racist abuse ?
Is it all just a “bit of bants” ?

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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by wilks_bfc » Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:15 am

AlargeClaret wrote:
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Also has LGBT at the side of it .

I’m confused (it is early and I’m not full of coffee yet) and the article isn’t very clear as to who was doing the chanting but who’s banner is that and is it for or against gays?

Was the homophobic chanting a reaction to the banner?

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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:24 am

Two banners

1. “More fans in the stands means a more gay stadium.”

2. “Welcome to the Ineos group: at Nice we also love to pedal” A reference to the owner who also owns a cycling team. "pedale" is a French derogatory term for homosexuals.

plus the chanting, but i don't know what the chanting was.

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Post by LoveCurryPies » Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:49 am

Blackrod wrote:Could this lead to ‘ who are all the pies ? ...... you f*t b*st*rd ....” stopping a game ?

It's ironic that most fans who chant such things are frequently overweight and very fat. :lol:

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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by houseboy » Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:23 am

Homo = prefix referring to man (as in homonids).
Phobic = having a morbid fear of.
So a word that actually means 'a fear of man' is now used to describe 'a hatred of gay men'. I find it weird how words have become 'fashionable' without any thought given as to what they actually mean.
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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by Falcon » Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:27 am

That's just how language works. The meanings of words change over time sometimes.

Awesome and awful used to mean the same thing.

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Post by Devils_Advocate » Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:27 am

houseboy wrote:Homo = prefix referring to man (as in homonids).
Phobic = having a morbid fear of.
So a word that actually means 'a fear of man' is now used to describe 'a hatred of gay men'. I find it weird how words have become 'fashionable' without any thought given as to what they actually mean.
Its quite natural for people in all areas of life to hate something because they are scared of it so I think there is some thought behind the terminology.

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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by Lord Beamish » Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:41 am

houseboy wrote:Homo = prefix referring to man (as in homonids).
Phobic = having a morbid fear of.
So a word that actually means 'a fear of man' is now used to describe 'a hatred of gay men'. I find it weird how words have become 'fashionable' without any thought given as to what they actually mean.
The ‘Homo’ from Homosexual is not taken from the Latin for ‘Man’, it’s taken from the Greek ‘Homo’ meaning ‘the same’. Homogenised has the same derivation.
This is contrasted from the Greek ‘Hetero’ which means ‘different’; this is where we get the term ‘Heterosexual’.

The term Homophobic is a portmanteau of Homosexual and Phobia; Fear of Homosexuals.
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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:50 am

All a bit vague to me, but am I right in thinking that this chanting is not directed at the players? If so why take the players off?

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Post by Greenmile » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:54 am

boatshed bill wrote:All a bit vague to me, but am I right in thinking that this chanting is not directed at the players? If so why take the players off?
It’s probably a wee bit easier for the referee to clear the pitch than clear the stands.

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Post by ŽižkovClaret » Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:03 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Did you miss the pie and chips game on the Turf?
I do tbf. The green balls looking like peas was genuinely funny

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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by houseboy » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:07 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Its quite natural for people in all areas of life to hate something because they are scared of it so I think there is some thought behind the terminology.
Correct.

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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by houseboy » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:24 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:The ‘Homo’ from Homosexual is not taken from the Latin for ‘Man’, it’s taken from the Greek ‘Homo’ meaning ‘the same’. Homogenised has the same derivation.
This is contrasted from the Greek ‘Hetero’ which means ‘different’; this is where we get the term ‘Heterosexual’.

The term Homophobic is a portmanteau of Homosexual and Phobia; Fear of Homosexuals.
Good points. I was aware of the Greek term for 'same' but was unsure of the root of the actual word homophobic. I find this sort of thing interesting. In this case homophobic can then mean either 'fear of man'(if using the Latin meaning for homo) or, slightly more odd in my view, fear of the same (if using Greek). Either way neither seems to fit with hatred of gays, unless as Devil has pointed out a hatred of something can over-spill into a fear of it.

Either way hating someone for an accident of birth is wholly wrong. I find it hard in this day and age that some people still think being homosexual or lesbian is a lifestyle choice. This kind of thinking is what leads many young people to being confused about what exactly sexuality is. Many of them 'experiment' with it as though they can actually CHOOSE which way they want to go, which of course is nonsense, only nature can do that for you.

Long live X and Y and all it's permutations.

Being bi-sexual is wrong though - that's just bloody greedy. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by Spiral » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:29 pm

boatshed bill wrote:All a bit vague to me, but am I right in thinking that this chanting is not directed at the players? If so why take the players off?
A wee bit of context; this all started when during a lower-league game fans chanted things such as 'the league can get f.ucked in the ass' (or words to that effect) and used a word which in English is similar to faggot, or puff, which the league took to be homophobic. The League reacted to this telling referees to stop games if they hear similar chants or see similar slogans on banners. This is basically a battle between the league and ultras over where the line is between a slur and a homophobic slur. A lot of ultras on the continent use sexualised imagery and language which is definitely charged, but which they claim isn't used in a discriminatory manner, like the way gayboy and puff used to be common insults used near-universally when I was at school decades ago. They're lagging a little bit behind us in terms of tolerating this.
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Re: Homophobic chants halt Ligue 1 game between Nice and Marseille

Post by Falcon » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:32 pm

That's not very Nice

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