Sky sports pre match discussion.

[Firthy]

Quite complimentary about Burnley but the best thing was the discussion about VAR so far. They aren't impressed with it, they reckon it's more about protecting refs and confirming their decisions rather than overturning them.

Phil Thompson even said there is no way it was a penalty against Wolves and went so far as to say Jiminez hooked his leg around the front of the defender and made contact with the defender first rather than the other way round. He said it wasn't overturned because of "mates rates" and that the people viewing the VAR are just protecting their mates. Basically VAR will be a waste of time unless they are prepared to overturn decisions rather than use it to protect officials.

[gtclaret]

The way I understand it, Car is only used to overturn Referee decisions when there is a clear and obvious error
In our case the error was not clear and obvious. The problem is that its not being applied consistently. The Man City goal against Spurs was given by the Ref, the error most certainly was not clear and obvious, but was overturned by VAR

[Hibsclaret]

But the ‘clear and obvious’ does not apply to actual handball leading to a goal. Our was not that as it was a case of a foul where the ref thinks it’s a pen, review by VAR decides the ref is not ‘clearly and obviously’ wrong, so decision stands. If the ref doesn’t give it the VAR would/should have allowed the non pen decision.

This is why it is a farce as you can’t get consistent decisions where you have a ref giving a penalty for Wolves and a ref not giving a penalty for Man City (at Bournemouth) for virtually the same incident. Both decisions end up being different when clearly the outcome should be the same. How can that be right?

The sky sports panel were bang on the money for a change.

[Tricky Trevor]

The penalty Kane should have had last week was clear and obvious.
Lascelles threw himself at the ball when he had no chance of getting a head on it. Didn’t. Then caused Kane to go down. VAR went with the ref, Dean, shocking decision post review.

[SalisburyClaret]

I'm impressed - It's unusual for us to be mentioned in pre-match discussions

[yorkyclaret]

But the ‘clear and obvious’ does not apply to actual handball leading to a goal. Our was not that as it was a case of a foul where the ref thinks it’s a pen, review by VAR decides the ref is not ‘clearly and obviously’ wrong, so decision stands. If the ref doesn’t give it the VAR would/should have allowed the non pen decision.

This is why it is a farce as you can’t get consistent decisions where you have a ref giving a penalty for Wolves and a ref not giving a penalty for Man City (at Bournemouth) for virtually the same incident. Both decisions end up being different when clearly the outcome should be the same. How can that be right?

The sky sports panel were bang on the money for a change.

Yes, why does it need to be clear AND obvious? Ours last week was clearly not a penalty, but it wasn't obvious, you had to examine it closely. That was why it took a long time to come to a decision on it. When it is as clear that the Ref made a mistake why should it also need to be obvious to overturn it?

[IanMcL]

Quite complimentary about Burnley but the best thing was the discussion about VAR so far. They aren't impressed with it, they reckon it's more about protecting refs and confirming their decisions rather than overturning them.

Phil Thompson even said there is no way it was a penalty against Wolves and went so far as to say Jiminez hooked his leg around the front of the defender and made contact with the defender first rather than the other way round. He said it wasn't overturned because of "mates rates" and that the people viewing the VAR are just protecting their mates. Basically VAR will be a waste of time unless they are prepared to overturn decisions rather than use it to protect officials.

That sums it up perfectly.
What should be something used to get it right, is actually entirely used by refs, for refs and doubles up the wrongingbof lesser teams (in prem eyes).