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ARTICLE: A hammering at Chelsea as local cricketer fights for life

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:12 pm

The latest from the 1959/60 season

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Post by Royboyclaret » Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:58 pm

That was one of the very rare occasions that season when there were serious doubts as to whether we were quite good enough to actually win the league. Defensively we still looked slightly off but that was soon about to be rectified. From an attacking point of view we were formidable and capable of scoring more than one goal against any opposition.

As for the Jimmy Greaves situation, he must have loved playing against us and seemed to score every time we met. Be interesting to know just how many games he played against us where he actually failed to score. Simply an exceptional goalscorer.

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Post by FCBurnley » Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:25 pm

I remember Collie Smith dying very well but I never knew that Sobers was the driver. You learn something new every day I guess.

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Post by ClaretTony » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:00 pm

FCBurnley wrote:I remember Collie Smith dying very well but I never knew that Sobers was the driver. You learn something new every day I guess.
Collie was just before my time but a very entertaining batsman I’m told. His score at Lowerhouse in the 1959 Worsley Cup will never be bettered.

An ex-Claret in both teams too.

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Post by Malvern claret » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:03 pm

Does anyone know if the C A Martindale on the scorecard is the same Colin Martindale who taught PE at BGS for a short time around 64/65? I know he played at BCC at the time and I remember him being an incredible fielder, I think he was related to Learie Constantine.

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Post by Royboyclaret » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:40 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Collie was just before my time but a very entertaining batsman I’m told. His score at Lowerhouse in the 1959 Worsley Cup will never be bettered.

An ex-Claret in both teams too.

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Peter Kippax c Albert Cheesbrough b Roger Devon 20!

Two Burnley footballers and a Padiham stalwart. Always thought that Roger Devon and his brother John were at Padiham throughout their careers, but obviously not.

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Post by ClaretTony » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:49 pm

Just looking at the Burnley team in the cricket. There’s Bob Entwistle whose funeral was just last week. The last three in the line up are still with us and I’ve spoken to Jack Schofield and Ross Haworth in the last two or three weeks.

56 4s in that innings from Collie Smith. There were no 6s at Lowerhouse then so the score may have been even higher had there been.

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Post by Royboyclaret » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:58 pm

Peter Kippax was an amateur when he played for us. Would he have been the only amateur to have played in a post-war FA Cup Final?

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Post by FCBurnley » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:00 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Just looking at the Burnley team in the cricket. There’s Bob Entwistle whose funeral was just last week. The last three in the line up are still with us and I’ve spoken to Jack Schofield and Ross Haworth in the last two or three weeks.

56 4s in that innings from Collie Smith. There were no 6s at Lowerhouse then so the score may have been even higher had there been.
I remember going to the match night after night. In those days you could bat until you were out. Hence the Collie Smith score. He was just the nicest guy.

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Post by ClaretTony » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:00 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Peter Kippax was an amateur when he played for us. Would he have been the only amateur to have played in a post-war FA Cup Final?
Every chance he was the last one

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Post by ClaretTony » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:04 pm

FCBurnley wrote:I remember going to the match night after night. In those days you could bat until you were out. Hence the Collie Smith score. He was just the nicest guy.
Burnley had already announced they weren’t retaining him for 1960. They told him on a Friday night so he went out and got a ton the day after. His last game was at home against East Lancs but he was bowled for nought.

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Post by FCBurnley » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:04 pm

Malvern claret wrote:Does anyone know if the C A Martindale on the scorecard is the same Colin Martindale who taught PE at BGS for a short time around 64/65? I know he played at BCC at the time and I remember him being an incredible fielder, I think he was related to Learie Constantine.
C A Martindale was Colin Martindale. He was the son of legendary Manny Martindale. Not sure if he was related to Learie Constantine. Think Manny was one of the first West Indian pros in the Lancs League (if not the first) but I could be way off beam with that one.

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Post by ClaretTony » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:07 pm

FCBurnley wrote:C A Martindale was Colin Martindale. He was the son of legendary Manny Martindale. Not sure if he was related to Learie Constantine. Think Manny was one of the first West Indian pros in the Lancs League (if not the first) but I could be way off beam with that one.
Colin Martindale taught me at Burnley Grammar School. He and his brother Fred both played for Burnley. They were Manny’s sons.

Manny was Lowerhouse pro I think but I’d have thought years after Constantine.

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Post by ClaretTony » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:09 pm

Just checked:

Constantine at Nelson 1929 to 1937
Martindale at Lowerhouse 1947 to 1950

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Post by Royboyclaret » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:12 pm

A short extract from the 1947 FA Cup Final report..........

.......Peter Kippax was the golden boy of Burnley Football Club at the time, but the talented amateur chose the wrong day to miss out on top form and was responsible for some of the worst misses in an otherwise drab match..........

We finally lost to a late extra-time Charlton goal. Crowd was 98,215.

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Post by Quicknick » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:15 pm

Didn't Kippax play with an injury he'd kept quiet?

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Post by Royboyclaret » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:21 pm

Quicknick wrote:Didn't Kippax play with an injury he'd kept quiet?
Well, believe it or not, we played seven league games AFTER the Final and Kippax did not feature in any of them.

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Post by ClaretTony » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:45 pm

Kippax was only with us for a couple of seasons. I was told that his father said he would cut him out of his will if he turned professional. I think they owned Kippax’s Mill on Eastern Avenue, later became Skipper’s Ford dealers.

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Post by Royboyclaret » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:52 pm

On the 1947 situation after the Cup Final, I think the weather in March must have been horrendous and we only played two league games all the month. There is a famous picture of Billy Morris scoring the winner in a 6th Round Cup replay on a snowbound Turf Moor.

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Post by ClaretTony » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:06 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:On the 1947 situation after the Cup Final, I think the weather in March must have been horrendous and we only played two league games all the month. There is a famous picture of Billy Morris scoring the winner in a 6th Round Cup replay on a snowbound Turf Moor.
My dad always said it was the worst winter he ever experienced. We didn’t play our final game that season until June.

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Post by Suratclaret » Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:44 am

Brilliant series about that famous season! I think it was the first season I went on't Turf for every home game plus a number of reserve matches. Plenty of goals scored ( and conceded), good crowds with no segregation of supporters and THAT team and no messing about moving fixtures and kick off times for TV.
Collie Smith was a wonderful cricketer and nearly always kept the crowds entertained.

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Post by ClaretTony » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:32 am

Suratclaret wrote:Brilliant series about that famous season! I think it was the first season I went on't Turf for every home game plus a number of reserve matches. Plenty of goals scored ( and conceded), good crowds with no segregation of supporters and THAT team and no messing about moving fixtures and kick off times for TV.
Collie Smith was a wonderful cricketer and nearly always kept the crowds entertained.
Your timing was much better than mine. My first season was the following season. First pro I can recall next door was Lance Gibbs in 1961.

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Post by Suratclaret » Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:41 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Your timing was much better than mine. My first season was the following season. First pro I can recall next door was Lance Gibbs in 1961.
I'd been to matches at the Turf during previous seasons but 59-60'was the first season of attending every home game.
I remember Lance Gibbs...he was signing my autograph book and I was fascinated by the length of his fingers! My pen looked like a matchstick in them.

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Post by Fenwick » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:46 pm

I know this isnt the main point of the thread, but why were there no sixes at Lowerhouse ? I know little about cricket and less about Lowerhouse cc. Been bugging me all day !

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Post by Local cricketer » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:28 pm

I'm alive lads dont worry

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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:01 am

Fenwick wrote:I know this isnt the main point of the thread, but why were there no sixes at Lowerhouse ? I know little about cricket and less about Lowerhouse cc. Been bugging me all day !
Grounds had to be of a certain size then for sixes to be scored. There were none at Lowerhouse but at other grounds there could be a six on some sides but not others. Burnley’s was one of only two or three where a six could be hit on all four sides.

But to score a six at those grounds and sides where it was permitted, the ball had to be hit out of the ground, not just over the boundary.

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