Clearly being left to Sean Dyche to sort out and then, whatever his decision, it is all up to Danny Drinkwater to decide what he wants.

I suspect he’ll get a rollicking from Sean but I also think he will be given the support to sort himself out if indeed he wants to.

I’ve every faith that our manager will do the right thing here. We will have to wait and see how Drinkwater reacts to what could be a final chance.

I think Sean is a fair man but I wouldn’t want to be Drinkwater tomorrow facing him.

ClaretTony wrote:Clearly being left to Sean Dyche to sort out and then, whatever his decision, it is all up to Danny Drinkwater to decide what he wants.

I suspect he’ll get a rollicking from Sean but I also think he will be given the support to sort himself out if indeed he wants to.

I’ve every faith that our manager will do the right thing here. We will have to wait and see how Drinkwater reacts to what could be a final chance.

I think Sean is a fair man but I wouldn’t want to be Drinkwater tomorrow facing him.

You'd probably want a stiffer drink than water if you were in DD's shoes.

Indeed, but at the time we didn't know that.

boatshed bill wrote:You'd probably want a stiffer drink than water if you were in DD's shoes.

And that’s where the problems start again.

I wouldn’t want to get on the wrong side of Dyche.

ClaretTony wrote:And that’s where the problems start again.

I wouldn’t want to get on the wrong side of Dyche.

I'm sure SD will be absolutely fuming over this.
For me it's simply a case of send DD back, we have enough to deal with without this. We are not the Priory!

FactualFrank wrote:We are missing the poster who's every post is asking for evidence on whatever the post is about.

We've got all the evidence we need.

DD can't pull despite being loaded.
He can take a kicking, but clearly it wasn't a bunch of hefty blokes doing the kicking, just a bunch of Fannie's

Oh and he's in for a verbal kicking when he sees Dyche next

Rileybobs wrote:Yeah. Drinkwater would be much more use to us from a prison cell.

Rather silly comment what?

I don't think he will be sent back but dyche will give him a good talking to tomorrow - in fact we can't afford to get rid as need as many bodies as we can until next summer

BOYSIE31 wrote:I don't think he will be sent back but dyche will give him a good talking to tomorrow - in fact we can't afford to get rid as need as many bodies as we can until next summer

Blimey this can nearly be read as a supportive comment.

Stayingup wrote:Rather silly comment what?

If he’d have battered 6 people, like you claim that Barton would have done, then he’d be likely to find himself in prison.

Deserves a second chance and to be honest we can’t afford to lose another CM.

BOYSIE31 wrote:I don't think he will be sent back but dyche will give him a good talking to tomorrow - in fact we can't afford to get rid as need as many bodies as we can until next summer

The facts are that he's turned up unfit for purpose, and now will take some time to get back from this incident to his previous level of unfitness. We could be talking at least a month before he's ready to train!
Now, if we get him fit, and he impresses, by sometime in November for all we know he'll be off in the January window. This, of course, depends on whether or not he can be arsed.
What can we expect to gain from all this?

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Blimey this can nearly be read as a supportive comment.

Ha what are you trying to say

boatshed bill wrote:The facts are that he's turned up unfit for purpose, and now will take some time to get back from this incident to his previous level of unfitness. We could be talking at least a month before he's ready to train!
Now, if we get him fit, and he impresses, by sometime in November for all we know he'll be off in the January window. This, of course, depends on whether or not he can be arsed.
What can we expect to gain from all this?

We need the bodies and totally not ideal i know

Give him an ultimatum. Either send him back to Chelsea in disgrace or fine him a weeks wages for every week he misses training through this injury, we’ll soon see if he’s about the money or not

Send him back.we do not need the disruption in the dressing room he is likely to cause.He is a very expensive sick note just like Defour.

If the night club story is true he should be on his way.

Nothing like Defour - he was a true Claret!

Anyone know if he can be fined by BFC under the loan agreement, and if so, to what extent?

Belgianclaret wrote:Anyone know if he can be fined by BFC under the loan agreement, and if so, to what extent?

You couldn't fine a loan player on championship manager 01/02...

Send him back .hes let Sean and the club down.This was a serious chance to resurrect a career in decline and hes blown it.Try Gibson at cm he has a decent tackle in him and a good range of passing

I was under the impression that one of Sean's requirements before any signing was to research the players lifestyle !
If it's true what's been said then clearly Drinkwater must be in breach of club rules and should therefore have his contract with us terminated with immediate effect.

He will be gone tommorow,and we will be back to the bare bones.....I think it's for the best the guys a dick!

Belgianclaret wrote:Anyone know if he can be fined by BFC under the loan agreement, and if so, to what extent?

Fines are a maximum two weeks I think but not sure an incident away from the club would be applicable.

Not the first Burnley player in recent years to be involved in a night club incident. Wasn’t the last one found guilty of assault.

ClaretTony wrote:Fines are a maximum two weeks I think but not sure an incident away from the club would be applicable.

Not the first Burnley player in recent years to be involved in a night club incident. Wasn’t the last one found guilty of assault.

Normally there'd be a good conduct and bringing the club into disrepute clause in his contract.

Not sure how it works with loan agreements, whether it's a part of the loan contract or piggybacks onto his Chelsea contract.

ClaretTony wrote:What’s he done that’s sackable? How has he brought the club into disrepute? I don’t think anyone can be happy with what he’s done but it was an incident in his own time and away from the club.

The incident/behaviour inside the club, seems to be less than we would want from a player associated with Burnley Football Club.

The incident outside was unfortunate.

What we do not know is if the behaviour inside, was in any way contributory to the activity outside.

Disrepute no.

A mention during bad press, yes.

aggi wrote:Normally there'd be a good conduct and bringing the club into disrepute clause in his contract.

Not sure how it works with loan agreements, whether it's a part of the loan contract or piggybacks onto his Chelsea contract.

No idea what the deal is with Chelsea. We could be paying them s loan fee or part of his wages. Not sure bringing the club into disrepute would stick given he wasn’t representing the club at the time.

I think Dyche will protect him instead of sending him back.

I expect the club will have been in touch with the owners of the nightclub to get some background information to the alleged incidents. If the alleged incident spilled out of the club, maybe door staff saw something, if only that he was drunk and arguing, which they may have to give statements about.
I would think if there was fighting outside, they would have intervened. There would also be security cameras inside and outside the club and probably nearby, which may have recorded any incidents of brawling.
Bfc no doubt, will wish to gather and consider all the available facts first.
The football club can then consider the best course of action to take, based on the evidence they gather and what Drinkwater says of his side of the events, before deciding, what punishment they think, if any is appropriate.

ClaretTony wrote:No idea what the deal is with Chelsea. We could be paying them s loan fee or part of his wages. Not sure bringing the club into disrepute would stick given he wasn’t representing the club at the time.

The clauses tend to be generic enough to capture all behaviour, not just when they're explicitly representing the club.

Burnley FC are a football club not a drop in center.
SD is a football manager trying his level best to keep us in the PL. He isn't a social worker. Although many posters believe him to be capable of miracles in every aspect of life.
Get rid of DD by any means possible, even if it means paying his wages to go to Marbella for the next 5 months.
Get on with working with lads who want to work & succeed, it will be more constructive and beneficial in the long term.

aggi wrote:The clauses tend to be generic enough to capture all behaviour, not just when they're explicitly representing the club.

It'll come down as to whether we are still better off with Drinkwater in the squad than letting him go back to Chelsea. Staying in the Prem is far more important.

You have to wonder if this is the kind of man we want around the club.
Hardly a role model for our younger players.

boatshed bill wrote:You have to wonder if this is the kind of man we want around the club.
Hardly a role model for our younger players.

Of course the club will sensibly get all the facts first before jumping to conclusions.

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Of course the club will sensibly get all the facts first before jumping to conclusions.

The club doesn't need to jump to conclusions.
I imagine the club's medical staff have seen the injuries.
This is a convicted drink driver and now involved in a drunken pub brawl, just what we've been looking for

I hope Sean will show his true management potential, put an arm around the lads shoulder, and help him to come to terms with the breakup of his marriage and his drinking. He helped Joey to turn around his career and let's hope he can do the same with Danny.

I’m in no way sticking up for Drinkwater here, but it seems to me that the reaction here is well OTT. Burnley fans don’t like big names and Drinkwater seems to be getting the same kind of treatment as Hart.

Steddyman wrote:He helped Joey to turn around his career and let's hope he can do the same with Danny.

Joey was our player - that's the big difference. If Drinkwater wants help, then he can get it at Chelsea. We can't afford to carry passengers, especially ones who are here on loan.

Rileybobs wrote:I’m in no way sticking up for Drinkwater here, but it seems to me that the reaction here is well OTT. Burnley fans don’t like big names and Drinkwater seems to be getting the same kind of treatment as Hart.

Not true at all. One is out on the tiles and the other is at home washing his hair. Definitely not the same....

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Of course the club will sensibly get all the facts first before jumping to conclusions.

The facts of his drink driving couldn't be any clearer. These exceptionally highly paid people love the attention and riches, but it has to come at a price - role model behaviour for the short time you bleat about your careers being.
FWIW as a dentist I'd be looking at a 6 - 12 month suspension for the drink driving, possibly even harsher.

Rileybobs wrote:I’m in no way sticking up for Drinkwater here, but it seems to me that the reaction here is well OTT. Burnley fans don’t like big names and Drinkwater seems to be getting the same kind of treatment as Hart.

Probably the first time I’ve ever disagreed with you. A good run.

Rileybobs wrote:I’m in no way sticking up for Drinkwater here, but it seems to me that the reaction here is well OTT. Burnley fans don’t like big names and Drinkwater seems to be getting the same kind of treatment as Hart.

There was hardly any negativity when he signed, poor cast.

Drink driving is abhorrent under any circumstances and as I pointed out on the Dean Saunders thread the other day I don’t understand why people with so much money don’t use taxis. Multi millionaire footballers have absolutely no excuse for drinking and driving. They could even pay for a chauffeur when they go on a bender or get Ashley or Westy to drive their van (and drink water all night)

Pimlico_Claret wrote:There was hardly any negativity when he signed, poor cast.

There was plenty... albeit from the usual suspects who are now lapping this up

This incident could be a blessing in disguise because it forces an outcome. He’s turned up well off the pace, without any football. To not be match fit is one thing..to be so far off the pace you are weeks away from being anywhere near - suggests something quite different.

It seems to me the move to Chelsea was probably the worst thing for Drinkwater because it has given him the combustible combo of big contract and no football. To go from the main man or one of to not much at all but with the rest of the trimmings must be a strange thing psychologically.

But up to him now. I’d suggest if he doesn’t get fit and play any meaningful part for us by late October/early November then he’s back to Chelsea.

And that won’t help any of the three parties.

Can we actually send him back or not?

Anyone else imagining him sat in the Calder by 10am Monday then cleaning the boots all afternoon?

Pimlico_Claret wrote:There was hardly any negativity when he signed, poor cast.

Not a cast. It seems that Drinkwater may have been acting like a tool in a club but the only thing we know is that he was set upon by a bunch of people trying to damage his football career.

He may be totally at fault here but we don’t actually know what unfolded. People just seem to be very quick to jump the gun without knowing the facts. I’m guessing the reaction would be a lot more lenient were the victim Ben Mee.

The drink-driving charge was hardly mentioned when Drinkwater signed yet seem to be being used as a stick to beat him with here.

He may be a total wazzock and he may have got what he deserved, but I don’t know if either are true so personally don’t feel the need to throw the guy under the bus.

I can’t believe a guy would be set upon by six people who kick and jump on him while he’s on the floor and not get the police involved.

Danny is a wealthy guy, he has won the PL title, he doesn't want to play for his country.
He obviously has a liking for a drink.
That type of character is very difficult to motivate.
What is his motivation ?
As I have said above, move on, don't waste time, concentrate on the ones you can motivate, improve & benefit the team moral and ethos.

Bordeauxclaret wrote:I can’t believe a guy would be set upon by six people who kick and jump on him while he’s on the floor and not get the police involved.

It’s a decent point and may unfortunately suggest the person involved had a good reason to not do so.