Managers if we'd gone down.

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Managers if we'd gone down.

Post by duncandisorderly » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:58 pm

The Adkins to Huddersfield (fax) thread got me thinking about who is available that we'd actually want and/or could get.

Assuming we went down, and assuming SD either jumped or was pushed, are there any 'good' candidates for a newly relegated team?
I know it's different because we'd have a bit more money, and it's unlikely that SD would be pushed at the very least....


Monk, or Adkins, or Harris are all names I wouldn't really want. So who else is there? Hughton, maybe?

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Post by Bosscat » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:09 pm

Fishing trip for the weekend huh Duncan ;)

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Post by Buxtonclaret » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:11 pm

Bill Shankley's ghost.

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Post by Aclaret » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:11 pm

You won't get many takers on this one Duncan.

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Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:12 pm

I think we’d have gone for QPR’s boss.
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Post by Burnley1989 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:18 pm

Minus Laws (bit harsh) we’ve had really good managers for the last 20 years
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Post by duncandisorderly » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:18 pm

Not fishing, honest. It was more to highlight how sparse the choice is.
If, for instance, we'd have been relegated last season instead of Huddersfield, I'd not be happy if Adkins or Harris became our new manager.

We aren't going down and it's not a problem, just a hypothetical.

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Post by Bin Ont Turf » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:23 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:Minus Laws (bit harsh) we’ve had really good managers for the last 20 years

Be careful, the "Cotterball" balloons will be all over that.

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Post by Aclaret » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:25 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:Not fishing, honest. It was more to highlight how sparse the choice is.
If, for instance, we'd have been relegated last season instead of Huddersfield, I'd not be happy if Adkins or Harris became our new manager.

We aren't going down and it's not a problem, just a hypothetical.
Ok then, hypotheticaly ....... Grezza.

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Post by Fenwick » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:32 pm

Pullis ?

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:43 pm

I don't think the list of candidates would be all that good if we were in the premier league looking for a new boss.

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Post by Nonayforever » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:47 pm

Roy Keane 8-)

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Post by Cleveleys_claret » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:14 pm

Paul Cook maybe?

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Post by Cleveleys_claret » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:15 pm

Somehow doubt he would tick all the boxes that Mike Garlick and the board would require. Would leave it up to them as they didnt do bad last time. And even the appointment before that although not brilliant for us has proved himself a good manager at Bournemouth

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Post by wilks_bfc » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:44 pm

Forgive me but who’s Harris?

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Post by Goobs » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:48 pm

Neil Harris?? Not sure though.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:57 pm

I’d have liked Barton or Maybe Duff.

However from Cotterill to now, Laws excepted we’ve almost always gone young, a bit left field and out of the blue.

So would probably be a surprise package who impressed in an interview.

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Post by EarbyClaret » Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:05 pm

Hypothetically, if we had gone down and for whatever reason SD was no longer around think the Cowleys at Lincoln would have been serious contenders - bearing in mind they were strongly linked with both Huddersfield and Wednesday

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Post by ElectroClaret » Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:12 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:It was more to highlight how sparse the choice is.
This. Extremely sparse.

So let's keep hold of him.
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Post by MRG » Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:12 pm

We would need a yes man who was happy to work with our penny pinching board every transfer window

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:39 pm

MRG wrote:We would need a yes man who was happy to work with our penny pinching board every transfer window
As much as I get wound up at our policy at times, Dyche is probably the last manager I can imagine is a yes man!

In fact I suspect most of our business is because of Dyche and what he wants or expects. I think the reason we do things the way we do is down to him as much as anyone else!

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Post by Pimlico_Claret » Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:22 pm

Goobs wrote:Neil Harris?? Not sure though.
I thought he was referring to Keith Harris, with Orville as first team coach - just kick it right high, up into the sky..

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Post by Bosscat » Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:59 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Nonayforever wrote:Roy Keane 8-)
Wish I'd thought of that one

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:33 am

Alexander surely the heir apparent. Barton if not incarcerated. Cowley possibly.

Depends on the situ. We have loads of experienced pros who merely need shepherding.

But if we lost 75% of them because we went down, you'd have to look at someone much more creative and dynamic, with a talent for inspiring youth team players, motivating the journeymen and an eye for a cheeky bid.

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Post by superdimitri » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:04 am

Jose will probably still be looking for work
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Post by Hapag Lloyd » Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:43 am

MRG wrote:We would need a yes man who was happy to work with our penny pinching board every transfer window

Cock.

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Post by OssyClaret » Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:50 am

I’ve thought it for a while that Alex Neil would be a solid replacement for Dyche as and when he moves on.

Still not changed my mind

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:14 am

Hapag Lloyd wrote:Cock.
Who does he manage?

Has he much experience?

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Post by Hibsclaret » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:18 am

The problem is when you’ve got the great man everyone else looks poor....I will be very surprised if we get anyone half as good as our next boss. Much like replacing fergie at Man U for me.

The list of options is not exactly inspiring tbh....

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Post by Wile E Coyote » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:54 am

shows how much of a knife edge business it is, I think we would come unstuck very quickly with no dyche at the club.
In theory its a good looking set up at Burnley, especially with the training facility, but there simply isn't enough decent managers around to slot into this role if it became available. We would drop like a stone.

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Post by evensteadiereddie » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:28 pm

Nigel Clough is a decent manager. He's made a cracking job of steadying Burton Albion on next to nothing.
OK, his time at Derby wasn't too successful but that club was, and remains, a complete basket case.

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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:16 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Paul Cook maybe?
Doubt he’ll have much longer at Wigan

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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:16 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:Nigel Clough is a decent manager. He's made a cracking job of steadying Burton Albion on next to nothing.
OK, his time at Derby wasn't too successful but that club was, and remains, a complete basket case.
Record at Sheff U not good either but possibly there at the wrong time.

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Post by NL Claret » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:21 pm

Cast your minds back to December and some were calling for Dyche to be sacked. When challenged about who should replace him they would inform you that it was not for them to decide, the chairman and directors were paid to do that. A very odd response indeed.

This thread nails why Dyche should not have been sacked. Who is there who can replace him at the moment?

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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:30 pm

NL Claret wrote:Cast your minds back to December and some were calling for Dyche to be sacked. When challenged about who should replace him they would inform you that it was not for them to decide, the chairman and directors were paid to do that. A very odd response indeed.

This thread nails why Dyche should not have been sacked. Who is there who can replace him at the moment?
We know we are in a better position than ten years ago when it turned out the only two interested in the job were Laws & O'Driscoll, but other clubs have struggled in recent years when looking for new managers. Swansea had to go with Clement and Carvalhal, West Brom couldn't get one, Everton didn't want Allardyce but had to in the end.

I wouldn't know where to start looking if we had to.

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Post by Dyched » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:41 pm

NL Claret wrote:Cast your minds back to December and some were calling for Dyche to be sacked. When challenged about who should replace him they would inform you that it was not for them to decide, the chairman and directors were paid to do that. A very odd response indeed.

This thread nails why Dyche should not have been sacked. Who is there who can replace him at the moment?
Who was there to replace Eddie Howe. Nobody, not one would have wanted Sean Dyche.

Anyway I vote for Dennis Wise. Failing that, The Lion that is Ibrahimovic just for the laughs and giggles along the way.

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Post by Dyched » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:42 pm

ClaretTony wrote:We know we are in a better position than ten years ago when it turned out the only two interested in the job were Laws & O'Driscoll, but other clubs have struggled in recent years when looking for new managers. Swansea had to go with Clement and Carvalhal, West Brom couldn't get one, Everton didn't want Allardyce but had to in the end.

I wouldn't know where to start looking if we had to.
They’ll probably look for the same again. Someone who did a decent job at his last job but lost it for some strange reason and has a point to prove.

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Post by Hibsclaret » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:45 pm

Hopefully it will be in a few years time and by then the likes of Duffo would be a good shout. Seems to have had a reasonable start to management tbh.

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Post by Cleveleys_claret » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:45 pm

I maybe wrong but at one time did we not interview Villas-Boas? Which to me shows that our board explore all avenues and dont just look at the merry go round of managers in the Prem and Championship. I know he has gone off the grid now (driving rally cars last I heard) but he wasnt a bad manager

Dyche was an odd choice at the time although he did do a good job at Watford before him with no morals Zola (who would stab his own mum in the back for amanagerial position) took the job.

Think this shows our board are very capable and when it is required I dont think we have much to worry about.

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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:52 pm

Dyched wrote:Who was there to replace Eddie Howe. Nobody, not one would have wanted Sean Dyche.
I put up a voting poll immediately after Howe left and Dyche was in it. Got some votes but wasn't up there as one of the favourites.

This was how the vote went

25.1% - Mick McCarthy (463 votes)
11.7% - Paolo Di Canio (216 votes)
7.8% - Ole Gunnar Solskjaer (145 votes)
7.0% - Steve Davis (130 votes)
6.8% - Billy Davies (125 votes)
6.2% - Micky Mellon (115 votes)
6.2% - Graham Alexander (114 votes)
5.7% - Michael Appleton (105 votes)
4.3% - Micky Phelan (80 votes)
2.8% - Keith Hill (52 votes)
1.7% - Sean Dyche (32 votes)
1.6% - Gareth Southgate (29 votes)
0.8% - Paul Cook (14 votes)
0.6% - Warren Joyce (12 votes)
0.5% - Steve Lomas (10 votes)
11.1% - Others (206 votes)
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Post by gtclaret » Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:02 pm

Remember when we used to promote from within, Potts, Adamson, Miller etc

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Post by Dyched » Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:12 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I put up a voting poll immediately after Howe left and Dyche was in it. Got some votes but wasn't up there as one of the favourites.

This was how the vote went

25.1% - Mick McCarthy (463 votes)
11.7% - Paolo Di Canio (216 votes)
7.8% - Ole Gunnar Solskjaer (145 votes)
7.0% - Steve Davis (130 votes)
6.8% - Billy Davies (125 votes)
6.2% - Micky Mellon (115 votes)
6.2% - Graham Alexander (114 votes)
5.7% - Michael Appleton (105 votes)
4.3% - Micky Phelan (80 votes)
2.8% - Keith Hill (52 votes)
1.7% - Sean Dyche (32 votes)
1.6% - Gareth Southgate (29 votes)
0.8% - Paul Cook (14 votes)
0.6% - Warren Joyce (12 votes)
0.5% - Steve Lomas (10 votes)
11.1% - Others (206 votes)
Not many at all then. Some frightening choices on there. Di Canio :lol:

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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:41 pm

Dyched wrote:Not many at all then. Some frightening choices on there. Di Canio :lol:
They were the candidates who were believed to be in the running at the time.

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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:42 pm

gtclaret wrote:Remember when we used to promote from within, Potts, Adamson, Miller etc
We poached Potts from Shrewsbury although he had played for us.

All managers and coaching staff had to be ex-Clarets under Bob Lord.

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Post by RammyClaret61 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:04 pm

Ryan Lowe did a good job getting the train wreck that was Bury promoted. Not doing to badly at Plymouth.

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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:12 pm

RammyClaret61 wrote:Ryan Lowe did a good job getting the train wreck that was Bury promoted. Not doing to badly at Plymouth.
Had a squad though that had cost a lot to assemble.

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Post by bfcjg » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:25 pm

Regardless of when SD decides to go we are a very attractive club to work for with our supportive, patient board and in the main realistic supporters.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:34 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Had a squad though that had cost a lot to assemble.
As do we.

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