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Javi Gracia sacked
First Premier League sacking of the season
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Gracia gone at Watford
Reappointing Sanchez Flores according to reports.
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They’ve confirmed an appointment is imminent but hadn’t seen any speculation. Flores was unfortunate to lose his job in the first place.
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Strange decision. Good manager whos done a good job but had a slow start. Thats watford though. Thankfuly they did the same to dyche.
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There was some speculation a couple of weeks ago but Watford dismissed it. But you know what they say about smoke and fire?cricketfieldclarets wrote:Strange decision. Good manager whos done a good job but had a slow start. Thats watford though. Thankfuly they did the same to dyche.
When Everton tried to get Marco Silva they said they wouldn’t change manager mid-season. They’ve now done it twice in under two years.
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Not surprised going off Watford’s recent history. Think he’s one of the better managers in the group outside top 6. Not sure what to make of timing... bad run, leaving plenty of time to look at the squad for the incoming, but someone else’s squad until the next window.
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Doesn’t seem to bother Watford how often they change manager. He’s the 10th to lose his job since the Pozzo family bought the club in summer 2012.
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7 managers in 5 years?
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The only one to extend his contract since they took over.ClaretTony wrote:Doesn’t seem to bother Watford how often they change manager. He’s the 10th to lose his job since the Pozzo family bought the club in summer 2012.
He was the 16th manager since May 2001.
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Or 11 in 7 years with number 12 dueboatshed bill wrote:7 managers in 5 years?
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Watford have targets.
At the close of each segment of the season the manager is assessed.
If they are falling well clear of the agreed target they are dismissed.
At the close of each segment of the season the manager is assessed.
If they are falling well clear of the agreed target they are dismissed.
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Indeed somebody else's squad but not a bad one to inherit - and there's probably a few still there from his previous spell in charge. Agree that his sacking seemed harsh at the time.elwaclaret wrote:Not surprised going off Watford’s recent history. Think he’s one of the better managers in the group outside top 6. Not sure what to make of timing... bad run, leaving plenty of time to look at the squad for the incoming, but someone else’s squad until the next window.
If you look at the way they operate Watford are the polar opposite of our model - yet their achievements are pretty much on a level with ours - certainly better as far as cup competitions are concerned.
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The managers they’ve sacked haven’t been bad managers either. It seems they just prefer to have a reshuffle as soon as it goes a bit stale.
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Madness.ClaretTony wrote:Or 11 in 7 years with number 12 due
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A model which has worked for them, Gracia was on a horrible run. Chelsea employ a similar model and look at their success with it. The new manager bounce effect
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On a level with ours is good for us when you consider the financial backing they have.EarbyClaret wrote:If you look at the way they operate Watford are the polar opposite of our model - yet their achievements are pretty much on a level with ours - certainly better as far as cup competitions are concerned.
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Flores to return is the hot tip
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Ridiculous decision. Although to be fair they finished last season horribly, even without that cup final drubbing.
My new relegation favourites.
My new relegation favourites.
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He's already been appointed.Chester Perry wrote:Flores to return is the hot tip
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Least we don't get any 'Dyche to Watford' threads.
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Here is a sad indictment - Graham Taylor managed Watford for more games than Brendan Rodgers, Malky Mackay, Sean Dyche, Gianfranco Zola, Giuseppe Sannino, Oscar Garcia, Billy McKinlay, Slavisa Jokanovic, Quique Sanchez Flores, Walter Mazzarri, Marco Silva and Javi Gracia. Combined.
Does he not like that
Does he not like that
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Chester Perry wrote:Flores to return is the hot tip
Yep, Flores who wasn't good enough last time!
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Sobering stat that, Chester.
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Flores now confirmed
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Just 30 minutes after announcing the sacking of Gracia from all accounts. Modern football.ClaretTony wrote:Flores now confirmed
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Ahem......AndyClaret wrote:Reappointing Sanchez Flores according to reports.
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What the hell must be the Watford fans be thinking ?
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What a disgusting football club
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I bet he didn't say gracias when they told him he was fired.
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2 hours away from a Flores been sacked thread.
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As long as the managers know what they’re signing up for, which you’d imagine they do by now, then I don’t see the problem.
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It works for them. They’ve become established in the Premier League and they have plenty of money behind them and some very good players.Aclaret wrote:What the hell must be the Watford fans be thinking ?
Having said that, I much prefer a more stable way of doing things.
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Me too.ClaretTony wrote:It works for them. They’ve become established in the Premier League and they have plenty of money behind them and some very good players.
Having said that, I much prefer a more stable way of doing things.
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Absolutely - and highlights what a fantastic manager SD is and what a well-run club we are.ClaretTony wrote: On a level with ours is good for us when you consider the financial backing they have.
Financial backing alone is no guarantee of survival at this level though - plenty have crashed and burned in the time that Burnley and Watford have been establishing themselves in the PL - Fulham are the obvious example but both Stoke and Middlesbrough blew similar opportunities.
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jesus wept, I really hope they go down
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Poor start but I’m not expecting them to stay down thereVegas Claret wrote:jesus wept, I really hope they go down
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It works for them. They have regularly been one of the first of the 'rest' to get to 40 pts. Never in relegation positions for several years. Let's see if it works again this season.
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Gracia's should be thankful!
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Comparing us and Watford is like comparing Apples and LemonsClaretTony wrote:It works for them. They’ve become established in the Premier League and they have plenty of money behind them and some very good players.
Having said that, I much prefer a more stable way of doing things.
No way could and should a club like Burnley approach managers like Watford and expect anything but disaster
However we are pretty much 100% dependant on Dyche and when he finally goes we will almost certainly drop out of the Prem League and drift quickly towards the bottom half of the Championship and close to League 1
As Watford have the money needed their approach makes sense. They bring people in, give them money but have very specific short term targets. This way they dont let a club go rotten by keeping a regime in too long and either they suceed or they change quickly and put a new man in to succeed.
The big advantage of Watfords model (as long as the backing remains) they never become too over reliant on one man or a single team and instead become a really fluid agile model that seems to be working very well
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Didnt work very well.in the cup.final though. Just thought I'd throw that in. In fact that defeat may well account for their poor start this season. Interesting to see how it goes with the new chap.
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"However we are pretty much 100% dependant on Dyche and when he finally goes we will almost certainly drop out of the Prem League and drift quickly towards the bottom half of the Championship and close to League 1"
How do you know? How do you know that there is not a more capable manager to step into SD's shoes? I think there is and will be.
How do you know? How do you know that there is not a more capable manager to step into SD's shoes? I think there is and will be.
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I don't think it's a terrible thing they had a replacement lined up, nor do I think it an indictment on the state of modern football, because that model has worked tremendously well for Watford. There's no time to mourn that loss, if it can be called that. That kind or romance wasn't useful even back when football was romantic. They've been poor for going on a calendar year: of course they had a replacement lined up.
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DA keeps up his success rate with his ‘dynamite in the water’ baiting method.COBBLE wrote:"However we are pretty much 100% dependant on Dyche and when he finally goes we will almost certainly drop out of the Prem League and drift quickly towards the bottom half of the Championship and close to League 1"
How do you know? How do you know that there is not a more capable manager to step into SD's shoes? I think there is and will be.
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They change coaches not managers. We have a manager.
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There’s pros and cons I suppose, Watford can change manager but the culture behind the club remains the same with a designed method.
Unlike when Fergie and Moyes departed, the clubs hired decent replacements but they couldn’t keep it working.
Burnley wouldn’t be where they are now without the consistency of the board and management, but I fear as soon as that changes, we’ll probably have 4 managers in 6 seasons or something with no improvement.
Unlike when Fergie and Moyes departed, the clubs hired decent replacements but they couldn’t keep it working.
Burnley wouldn’t be where they are now without the consistency of the board and management, but I fear as soon as that changes, we’ll probably have 4 managers in 6 seasons or something with no improvement.
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Tbh I’ve never even heard of him, Watford’s merrygoround of managers all seem to look and sound the same. Not short on cash but I’d imagine most on here would have a 50/50 chance of getting a tune out of their overpaid bunch of mercenaries
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Watford's method is, in many ways, more sensible than ours.
The manager (or coach rather) is just a small part of the club rather than the person making all of the decisions. They have a more corporate structure in place that allows the club to continue regardless of the personnel. It's not to everyone's tastes but I imagine it will become a more and more popular style of management.
The manager (or coach rather) is just a small part of the club rather than the person making all of the decisions. They have a more corporate structure in place that allows the club to continue regardless of the personnel. It's not to everyone's tastes but I imagine it will become a more and more popular style of management.
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apart from all those coaches contracts they have to pay up on - sign on a 2-3 year deal get sacked within 1 and paid up for the rest - not usually just the front man either usually a few come with them not necessarily a full complement but nearly always a fewaggi wrote:Watford's method is, in many ways, more sensible than ours.
The manager (or coach rather) is just a small part of the club rather than the person making all of the decisions. They have a more corporate structure in place that allows the club to continue regardless of the personnel. It's not to everyone's tastes but I imagine it will become a more and more popular style of management.
I fully acknowledge the risk of our approach - with everyone on the thread missing the most obvious comparison of Curbishley and Charlton.
I have said a few times that Dyche is more than a manager he is closer in many ways to a sporting Director - not unlike Ferguson and Clough were - stay away from the players most of the week - trust coaches to do their job, freshen that up where necessary and take charge on match days all why keeping a sharp eye on proceedings - It is what makes us perhaps the most traditionally British of clubs in the top flight
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I'd be very surprised if the Watford contracts didn't have far more in the way of performance targets, etc to allow them to be sacked relatively cheaply. Given their turnover I'm sure they won't be signing up managers on long-term contracts with no get-out clause.Chester Perry wrote:apart from all those coaches contracts they have to pay up on - sign on a 2-3 year deal get sacked within 1 and paid up for the rest - not usually just the front man either usually a few come with them not necessarily a full complement but nearly always a few
I fully acknowledge the risk of our approach - with everyone on the thread missing the most obvious comparison of Curbishley and Charlton.
I have said a few times that Dyche is more than a manager he is closer in many ways to a sporting Director - not unlike Ferguson and Clough were - stay away from the players most of the week - trust coaches to do their job, freshen that up where necessary and take charge on match days all why keeping a sharp eye on proceedings - It is what makes us perhaps the most traditionally British of clubs in the top flight
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Florez has had a great start to his 2nd spell as manager at Watford
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