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Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Suratclaret » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:48 am

Boycs given a knighthood, along with Andrew Strauss in Teresa May's resignation honours list.

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Buxtonclaret » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:13 am

Crikey...there'll be no holding either him, or his stick of rhubarb back now then. :shock:

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Suratclaret » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:24 am

Buxtonclaret wrote:Crikey...there'll be no holding either him, or his stick of rhubarb back now then. :shock:

Maybe HM will use the infamous stick of rhubarb instead of a sword at his investiture :lol:

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Buxtonclaret » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:45 am

Suratclaret wrote:Maybe HM will use the infamous stick of rhubarb instead of a sword at his investiture :lol:


Now that conjures up some funny images. :lol:
She'll not get a word in edge ways though, during their tea & cucumber butties afterwards. :lol:
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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby TheFamilyCat » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:59 am

Services to wifebeating?
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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Terry Cochrane » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:38 am

Iconic cricketer fully deserving of the honour which is more than can be said for Theresa May and her hypocrisy honouring all of her back team. I say hypocrisy because she criticised her predecessor for doing exactly that.

As for the last comment there are always two sides to a story and worth reading this before forming an opinion on the incident in France in 1996.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/honours-list/11922112/Geoffrey-Boycott-must-be-knighted-after-new-evidence-points-to-his-innocence-over-domestic-abuse-case.html
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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Stalbansclaret » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:42 am

Yorkshiremen of my acquaintance have been referring to "Sir Geoffrey Boycott" for so long I'd actually forgotten he wasn't already knighted !! Love listening to him on the radio and the only consolation from another England batting collapse is hearing Boycott's scathing verdict delivered in his inimitable manner.
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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby bodge » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:56 am

The owner of the most aesthetically pleasing cover drive in the history of cricket.
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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Suratclaret » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:59 am

bodge wrote:The owner of the most aesthetically pleasing cover drive in the history of cricket.

Absolutely although Colin Cowdrey's was pretty good.
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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Buxtonclaret » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:47 am

Suratclaret wrote:Absolutely although Colin Cowdrey's was pretty good.


And David Gower. ;)

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby ClaretTony » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:54 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:Services to wifebeating?


First thing that crossed my mind

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Steve1956 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:12 am

We will never hear the last of this,especially from Boycott himself.
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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Steve1956 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:13 am

The other cricketer honoured though,well done Andrew Strauss very well deserved.
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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Hibsclaret » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:14 am

You only need to read Beefy’s comments about him on tour in India to realise how he played for himself and not the team. Add to this his wife beating etc there is no way this sad excuse of arrogance should be honoured.

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Terry Cochrane » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:18 am

Hibsclaret wrote:You only need to read Beefy’s comments about him on tour in India to realise how he played for himself and not the team. Add to this his wife beating etc there is no way this sad excuse of arrogance should be honoured.


I take anything Beefy says with a pinch of salt particularly if he's got a talking tour to promote and get cheap laughs. Boycott was always an easy target.

As for the domestic violence incident ( it wasn't his wife by the way - ironically the bust up was over the fact that he wouldn't marry her) do read the article posted above from today's Torygraph as it gives a different perspective on the whole sorry episode.

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Hibsclaret » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:19 am

I’d rather listen to a genuine world class sportsman who was the ultimate team player rather than that sad excuse of a man tbh.

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Lancasterclaret » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:23 am

Terry Cochrane wrote:I take anything Beefy says with a pinch of salt particularly if he's got a talking tour to promote and get cheap laughs. Boycott was always an easy target.

As for the domestic violence incident ( it wasn't his wife by the way - ironically the bust up was over the fact that he wouldn't marry her) do read the article posted above from today's Torygraph as it gives a different perspective on the whole sorry episode.


He punched his girlfriend. Not once. Twenty times.

What exactly justifies that in your eyes?

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Terry Cochrane » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:23 am

Hibsclaret wrote:I’d rather listen to a genuine world class sportsman who was the ultimate team player rather than that sad excuse of a man tbh.


Botham is no angel by the way ( and was subject to a number of tabloid stories) but to be honest personality when it comes to sporting achievement is irrelevant. I take the point about domestic violence but again there is evidence to suggest that all is not what it seems.

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Terry Cochrane » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:25 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:He punched his girlfriend. Not once. Twenty times.

What exactly justifies that in your eyes?


Hang on I haven't justified it at all. What I do say is that Did he actually do that? You know that? He has always vehemently denied it Read that article above again and if you still feel he did then fair enough. Me I think there is sufficient doubt.

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Hibsclaret » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:27 am

Nobody is suggesting Botham was an angel. Far from it.

However, he just does not come across as dishonest and anyone doing the kind of charity stuff he did has a genuine call to be knighted. I see no reason to disbelieve his comments about Boycott having seen how he played.

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Lancasterclaret » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:29 am

Terry Cochrane wrote:Hang on I haven't justified it at all. What I do say is that Did he actually do that? You know that? He has always vehemently denied it Read that article above again and if you still feel he did then fair enough. Me I think there is sufficient doubt.


He's got a caution for it

I like his commentary, and he was good cricketer but getting an honour like this is a step too far.

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Lord Beamish » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:29 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:Services to wifebeating?

And to Black-Face. That’s surely what he must’ve done to get this gong?
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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Terry Cochrane » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:34 am

Hibsclaret wrote:Nobody is suggesting Botham was an angel. Far from it.

However, he just does not come across as dishonest and anyone doing the kind of charity stuff he did has a genuine call to be knighted..


For which he was duly honoured. Of course. Not sure what your point is there. I didn't say Botham was dishonest or undeserving of a knighthood. What I am saying is Boycott remains a respected media commentator too, very entertaining to listen to and in cricket terms a legend. I was there at Headingley in 1977 when he on drove Greg Chappell for 4 to bring up his hundredth hundred and that was truly great sporting moment. His knighthood is deserving - much more so than the Theresa May cronyism recipients.

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Lancasterclaret » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:38 am

Terry Cochrane wrote:For which he was duly honoured. Of course. Not sure what your point is there. I didn't say Botham was dishonest or undeserving of a knighthood. What I am saying is Boycott remains a respected media commentator too, very entertaining to listen to and in cricket terms a legend. I was there at Headingley in 1977 when he on drove Greg Chappell for 4 to bring up his hundredth hundred and that was truly great sporting moment. His knighthood is deserving - much more so than the Theresa May cronyism recipients.


No argument that he's a good cricketer or a great commentator, but its whether this sends out the right message because of his history in other, less desirable stuff.

I fully agree with you about the May crony ones though

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Hibsclaret » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:42 am

Boycott was a good player no doubt about that. He is often disrespectful in his media work but granted has had a decent career with that. Given that he has had a caution as discussed above along with racist allegations along with allegations of selfish play and poor team play etc. This is not deserving of a knighthood imo.

That’s my point.

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Terry Cochrane » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:43 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:=, but its whether this sends out the right message because of his history in other, less desirable stuff.

I fully agree with you about the May crony ones though


I understand that argument. I abhor domestic violence as anybody should - my point is that he was cautioned in a French court on the sole evidence of one woman who may have had ulterior motives and with nobody else who knew him or was close to him ever having suggested that he has or had a violent temper.

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby IanMcL » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:50 am

Great batsman.
Excellent commentator.

Congratulations.

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby tybfc » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:15 am

The knighthood should go to James Anderson instead of Boycott for two reasons.

A) Anderson is from Lancashire

B) Boycott is an arrogant B******* from Yorkshire.
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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Bosscat » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:23 am

Steve1956 wrote:The other cricketer honoured though,well done Strauss very well deserved.

Yeah ... got several of his albums ... those Vienna waltzes are particularly good.

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Bosscat » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:24 am

:lol:
tybfc wrote:The knighthood should go to James Anderson instead of Boycott for two reasons.

A) Anderson is from Lancashire

B) Boycott is an arrogant B******* from Yorkshire.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Steve1956 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:43 am

Bosscat wrote:Yeah ... got several of his albums ... those Vienna waltzes are particularly good.

F**k off!
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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Steve1956 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:46 am

tybfc wrote:The knighthood should go to James Anderson instead of Boycott for two reasons.

A) Anderson is from Lancashire

B) Boycott is an arrogant B******* from Yorkshire.

Post of the year so far! :lol:
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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Hibsclaret » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:20 am

Good to see him true to form on his radio interview.

‘I don’t give a toss........’

Spoken like a true knight of the realm. Well done Geoffrey, now you can crawl back under your stone....

Watching him batting with Tavare was enough to send a glass eye to sleep....

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Spijed » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:55 am

Terry Cochrane wrote:For which he was duly honoured. Of course. Not sure what your point is there. I didn't say Botham was dishonest or undeserving of a knighthood. What I am saying is Boycott remains a respected media commentator too, very entertaining to listen to and in cricket terms a legend. I was there at Headingley in 1977 when he on drove Greg Chappell for 4 to bring up his hundredth hundred and that was truly great sporting moment. His knighthood is deserving - much more so than the Theresa May cronyism recipients.


But Boycott played for himself, never for England.

He would rather get a hundred and England lose, than getting zero and England winning.

It's no secret that as long as he did well England came a very distant second!

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Devils_Advocate » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:21 pm

Spijed wrote:But Boycott played for himself, never for England.

He would rather get a hundred and England lose, than getting zero and England winning.

It's no secret that as long as he did well England came a very distant second!

Im no Boycott fan or give two shits about the honours system but lets not rewrite history over it. Boycotts England test career is exceptional.

If batting for yourself above your country results in 22 test centuries (England never lost a test when he scored a century) and a record of only 20 test defeats in 108 tests then I wish a few of our current batsman would put batting for themselves ahead of batting for the team

He had a test batting average of 47 and without doubt is one of the greatest English test batsmen of all time
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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Spijed » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:26 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Im no Boycott fan or give two shits about the honours system but lets not rewrite history over it. Boycotts England test career is exceptional.

If batting for yourself above your country results in 22 test centuries (England never lost a test when he scored a century) and a record of only 20 test defeats in 108 tests then I wish a few of our current batsman would put batting for themselves ahead of batting for the team

He had a test batting average of 47 and without doubt is one of the greatest English test batsmen of all time


Hang on, I wasn't doubting his ability. I was questioning whether he put his own career before England, or whether he actually cared about the national side.

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby AlargeClaret » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:51 pm

He won’t be the first (or last) knight of the realm to have given his mrs a backhander that’s for sure. Though for those virtue signallers perhaps you could divert your rage to Sir Jimmy Savile ? Or Sir Robert Mugabe ? or perhaps that little tinker Sir Rolf Harris? I’m sure there’s many more disgraced Knights
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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Devils_Advocate » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:59 pm

Spijed wrote:Hang on, I wasn't doubting his ability. I was questioning whether he put his own career before England, or whether he actually cared about the national side.

I know but you offered nothing but a very cliched view of the matter. The majority of the time there is no distinction or difference between batting for yourself and the team as they are pretty much one and the same.

His stats around how well England performed as a team when he played and then when he scored big indicates that if he was this very selfish person willing to throw the team under the bus then either he was very bad at it or it barely made a difference cos England with Boycott in the team and batting well were more often than not a success

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Billy Balfour » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:06 pm

The honours system should be shitcanned.
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Postby NottsClaret » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:11 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:The honours system sound be shitcanned.


I support this proposal.

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Bosscat » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:17 pm

Spijed wrote:But Boycott played for himself, never for England.

He would rather get a hundred and England lose, than getting zero and England winning.

It's no secret that as long as he did well England came a very distant second!

He only lost 20 times in 108 test matches
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Boycott

I am not defending him as he is without doubt an arrogant old fart .....but his test career of 108 test matches with only 20 defeats speaks for itself m8 :lol:

So 88 times out of 108 with Sir Boycs England did very well :D

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Braindead » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:17 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:Nobody is suggesting Botham was an angel. Far from it.

However, he just does not come across as dishonest and anyone doing the kind of charity stuff he did has a genuine call to be knighted. I see no reason to disbelieve his comments about Boycott having seen how he played.

The same honest Beefy who's charity took £137k of donations in 2017 and handed over just under £100k to his daughter's PR company but nothing at all to charitable causes??

Definitely honest.
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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Bosscat » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:20 pm

Braindead wrote:The same honest Beefy who's charity took £137k of donations in 2017 and handed over just under £100k to his daughter's PR company but nothing at all to charitable causes??

Definitely honest.

One of the reasons I do not support 'celeb' charities m8

I only support local stuff, air ambulance, hospice etc
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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Quickenthetempo » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:26 pm

Spijed wrote:But Boycott played for himself, never for England.

He would rather get a hundred and England lose, than getting zero and England winning.

It's no secret that as long as he did well England came a very distant second!

If you want to be a top batsman you have to play for yourself, but by doing so you help the team enormously.

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Hibsclaret » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:27 pm

Braindead wrote:The same honest Beefy who's charity took £137k of donations in 2017 and handed over just under £100k to his daughter's PR company but nothing at all to charitable causes??

Definitely honest.


Maybe so but how much was earned from his walks. No need to compare Botham to Boycott as far as charity hard graft is concerned much as there is no need to compare them as players because one was world class and the other was in a class of his own mind.

As for the stats around tests it helps when you have the best team at the time. From memory he soon went missing when the West Indies took over in the late 70’s and 80’s..

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Sausage » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:34 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:Maybe so but how much was earned from his walks. No need to compare Botham to Boycott as far as charity hard graft is concerned.


Boycott is is the patron of Yorkshire Air Ambulance and has done sterling work supporting Martin House Hospice for children in Wetherby. I guess he doesn't blow his own charity trumpet as much as Botham.

I like Boycs and I think his knighthood is deserved.

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Hibsclaret » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:41 pm

One has earned 30m for charity and the other puts his name to Yorkshire blah blah blah...

What does he actually do? Appear at a few dinners spouting ‘could have caught that in me mother’s apron...’

There’s no comparison and nothing like blowing your trumpet whilst grafting hard for your charity....

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Postby fzr162 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:09 pm

Two points, firstly how much of this slagging off of Sir Geoffery would be going on here if he had been born 40 miles north west of where he was. Secondly if grafting hard for charity makes someone a hero then Hibs must love that other charitable Yorkshire man with the big cigars.
Don't forget chaps a massive part of the clarets support comes from over the border.

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Hibsclaret » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:17 pm

Totally irrelevant where he’s from, where our support is etc. Don’t get where you are coming from...

He’s a convicted wife beater along with all the other stuff. If he was born in Burnley and was as pro Burnley as he is pro Yorkshire I would say the same. The guy is not worthy of a knighthood and makes the award of one a bigger joke than they had already become.

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Re: Arise Sir Geoffrey...

Postby Sausage » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:21 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:One has earned 30m for charity and the other puts his name to Yorkshire blah blah blah...


He's a proud Yorkshireman. I wish a few more people were proud of their roots.

Hibsclaret wrote:What does he actually do?


I've just given you two examples. But to help you along I'll also point out that he's one of England's greatest cricketers, has given a lifetime's service to Yorkshire CCC including coaching youngsters, done a lot of charity work (a lot of which hasn't been publicised) and travelled the world promoting test cricket as the highest form of the game. He's hardly done naff-all.

Hibsclaret wrote:Appear at a few dinners spouting ‘could have caught that in me mother’s apron...’


There's nothing inherently wrong with that, particularly as many of those dinners will have been for charitable organisations.

Hibsclaret wrote:There’s no comparison and nothing like blowing your trumpet whilst grafting hard for your charity....

There clearly is a comparison, as you've made one. You think Boycott is an arse compared with Botham.


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