Arise Sir Geoffrey...
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:48 am
Boycs given a knighthood, along with Andrew Strauss in Teresa May's resignation honours list.
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Maybe HM will use the infamous stick of rhubarb instead of a sword at his investitureBuxtonclaret wrote:Crikey...there'll be no holding either him, or his stick of rhubarb back now then.
Now that conjures up some funny images.Suratclaret wrote:Maybe HM will use the infamous stick of rhubarb instead of a sword at his investiture
Absolutely although Colin Cowdrey's was pretty good.bodge wrote:The owner of the most aesthetically pleasing cover drive in the history of cricket.
And David Gower.Suratclaret wrote:Absolutely although Colin Cowdrey's was pretty good.
First thing that crossed my mindTheFamilyCat wrote:Services to wifebeating?
I take anything Beefy says with a pinch of salt particularly if he's got a talking tour to promote and get cheap laughs. Boycott was always an easy target.Hibsclaret wrote:You only need to read Beefy’s comments about him on tour in India to realise how he played for himself and not the team. Add to this his wife beating etc there is no way this sad excuse of arrogance should be honoured.
He punched his girlfriend. Not once. Twenty times.Terry Cochrane wrote:I take anything Beefy says with a pinch of salt particularly if he's got a talking tour to promote and get cheap laughs. Boycott was always an easy target.
As for the domestic violence incident ( it wasn't his wife by the way - ironically the bust up was over the fact that he wouldn't marry her) do read the article posted above from today's Torygraph as it gives a different perspective on the whole sorry episode.
Botham is no angel by the way ( and was subject to a number of tabloid stories) but to be honest personality when it comes to sporting achievement is irrelevant. I take the point about domestic violence but again there is evidence to suggest that all is not what it seems.Hibsclaret wrote:I’d rather listen to a genuine world class sportsman who was the ultimate team player rather than that sad excuse of a man tbh.
Hang on I haven't justified it at all. What I do say is that Did he actually do that? You know that? He has always vehemently denied it Read that article above again and if you still feel he did then fair enough. Me I think there is sufficient doubt.Lancasterclaret wrote:He punched his girlfriend. Not once. Twenty times.
What exactly justifies that in your eyes?
He's got a caution for itTerry Cochrane wrote:Hang on I haven't justified it at all. What I do say is that Did he actually do that? You know that? He has always vehemently denied it Read that article above again and if you still feel he did then fair enough. Me I think there is sufficient doubt.
And to Black-Face. That’s surely what he must’ve done to get this gong?TheFamilyCat wrote:Services to wifebeating?
For which he was duly honoured. Of course. Not sure what your point is there. I didn't say Botham was dishonest or undeserving of a knighthood. What I am saying is Boycott remains a respected media commentator too, very entertaining to listen to and in cricket terms a legend. I was there at Headingley in 1977 when he on drove Greg Chappell for 4 to bring up his hundredth hundred and that was truly great sporting moment. His knighthood is deserving - much more so than the Theresa May cronyism recipients.Hibsclaret wrote:Nobody is suggesting Botham was an angel. Far from it.
However, he just does not come across as dishonest and anyone doing the kind of charity stuff he did has a genuine call to be knighted..
No argument that he's a good cricketer or a great commentator, but its whether this sends out the right message because of his history in other, less desirable stuff.Terry Cochrane wrote:For which he was duly honoured. Of course. Not sure what your point is there. I didn't say Botham was dishonest or undeserving of a knighthood. What I am saying is Boycott remains a respected media commentator too, very entertaining to listen to and in cricket terms a legend. I was there at Headingley in 1977 when he on drove Greg Chappell for 4 to bring up his hundredth hundred and that was truly great sporting moment. His knighthood is deserving - much more so than the Theresa May cronyism recipients.
I understand that argument. I abhor domestic violence as anybody should - my point is that he was cautioned in a French court on the sole evidence of one woman who may have had ulterior motives and with nobody else who knew him or was close to him ever having suggested that he has or had a violent temper.Lancasterclaret wrote:=, but its whether this sends out the right message because of his history in other, less desirable stuff.
I fully agree with you about the May crony ones though
Yeah ... got several of his albums ... those Vienna waltzes are particularly good.Steve1956 wrote:The other cricketer honoured though,well done Strauss very well deserved.
tybfc wrote:The knighthood should go to James Anderson instead of Boycott for two reasons.
A) Anderson is from Lancashire
B) Boycott is an arrogant B******* from Yorkshire.
F**k off!Bosscat wrote:Yeah ... got several of his albums ... those Vienna waltzes are particularly good.
Post of the year so far!tybfc wrote:The knighthood should go to James Anderson instead of Boycott for two reasons.
A) Anderson is from Lancashire
B) Boycott is an arrogant B******* from Yorkshire.
But Boycott played for himself, never for England.Terry Cochrane wrote:For which he was duly honoured. Of course. Not sure what your point is there. I didn't say Botham was dishonest or undeserving of a knighthood. What I am saying is Boycott remains a respected media commentator too, very entertaining to listen to and in cricket terms a legend. I was there at Headingley in 1977 when he on drove Greg Chappell for 4 to bring up his hundredth hundred and that was truly great sporting moment. His knighthood is deserving - much more so than the Theresa May cronyism recipients.
Im no Boycott fan or give two shits about the honours system but lets not rewrite history over it. Boycotts England test career is exceptional.Spijed wrote:But Boycott played for himself, never for England.
He would rather get a hundred and England lose, than getting zero and England winning.
It's no secret that as long as he did well England came a very distant second!
Hang on, I wasn't doubting his ability. I was questioning whether he put his own career before England, or whether he actually cared about the national side.Devils_Advocate wrote:Im no Boycott fan or give two shits about the honours system but lets not rewrite history over it. Boycotts England test career is exceptional.
If batting for yourself above your country results in 22 test centuries (England never lost a test when he scored a century) and a record of only 20 test defeats in 108 tests then I wish a few of our current batsman would put batting for themselves ahead of batting for the team
He had a test batting average of 47 and without doubt is one of the greatest English test batsmen of all time
I know but you offered nothing but a very cliched view of the matter. The majority of the time there is no distinction or difference between batting for yourself and the team as they are pretty much one and the same.Spijed wrote:Hang on, I wasn't doubting his ability. I was questioning whether he put his own career before England, or whether he actually cared about the national side.
I support this proposal.Billy Balfour wrote:The honours system sound be shitcanned.
He only lost 20 times in 108 test matchesSpijed wrote:But Boycott played for himself, never for England.
He would rather get a hundred and England lose, than getting zero and England winning.
It's no secret that as long as he did well England came a very distant second!
The same honest Beefy who's charity took £137k of donations in 2017 and handed over just under £100k to his daughter's PR company but nothing at all to charitable causes??Hibsclaret wrote:Nobody is suggesting Botham was an angel. Far from it.
However, he just does not come across as dishonest and anyone doing the kind of charity stuff he did has a genuine call to be knighted. I see no reason to disbelieve his comments about Boycott having seen how he played.
One of the reasons I do not support 'celeb' charities m8Braindead wrote:The same honest Beefy who's charity took £137k of donations in 2017 and handed over just under £100k to his daughter's PR company but nothing at all to charitable causes??
Definitely honest.
If you want to be a top batsman you have to play for yourself, but by doing so you help the team enormously.Spijed wrote:But Boycott played for himself, never for England.
He would rather get a hundred and England lose, than getting zero and England winning.
It's no secret that as long as he did well England came a very distant second!
Maybe so but how much was earned from his walks. No need to compare Botham to Boycott as far as charity hard graft is concerned much as there is no need to compare them as players because one was world class and the other was in a class of his own mind.Braindead wrote:The same honest Beefy who's charity took £137k of donations in 2017 and handed over just under £100k to his daughter's PR company but nothing at all to charitable causes??
Definitely honest.
Boycott is is the patron of Yorkshire Air Ambulance and has done sterling work supporting Martin House Hospice for children in Wetherby. I guess he doesn't blow his own charity trumpet as much as Botham.Hibsclaret wrote:Maybe so but how much was earned from his walks. No need to compare Botham to Boycott as far as charity hard graft is concerned.
He's a proud Yorkshireman. I wish a few more people were proud of their roots.Hibsclaret wrote:One has earned 30m for charity and the other puts his name to Yorkshire blah blah blah...
I've just given you two examples. But to help you along I'll also point out that he's one of England's greatest cricketers, has given a lifetime's service to Yorkshire CCC including coaching youngsters, done a lot of charity work (a lot of which hasn't been publicised) and travelled the world promoting test cricket as the highest form of the game. He's hardly done naff-all.Hibsclaret wrote:What does he actually do?
There's nothing inherently wrong with that, particularly as many of those dinners will have been for charitable organisations.Hibsclaret wrote:Appear at a few dinners spouting ‘could have caught that in me mother’s apron...’
There clearly is a comparison, as you've made one. You think Boycott is an arse compared with Botham.Hibsclaret wrote:There’s no comparison and nothing like blowing your trumpet whilst grafting hard for your charity....