ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by BOYSIE31 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:01 pm

Like I said before we need the bodies so there was no way dyche would send him packing and he has done the right thing here

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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:12 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Dyche said after the Liverpool game that JBG was doubtful for Brighton
And he said it was something and nothing after the Wolves game.

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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:57 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:And he said it was something and nothing after the Wolves game.
He said it was a minor injury which it is - i.e. nothing serious. Don’t twist things to fit in with your anti agenda.
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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by Wile E Coyote » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:24 pm

bfcmik wrote:What a load of b*ll*cks. £50k per week is what gets you a 2nd line standard of player - even the full £100k per week does not often get you a difference maker of a midfielder. What £50k a week gets you in the Premier League is a good player or a very good player who needs to reinvent their career following injuries (e.g. Steven Defour) or who needs to get back to proving themselves week, in week out(e.g. Danny Drinkwater).

All players are bought for their footballing abilities not for there degree of sainthood. He is just an ordinary bloke who was blessed with talents that get people to play him loads of dosh and therefore will do, to an extent, the same things any 20 odd year old would do.
nobody expects sainthood, but perhaps on those wages they should expect professionalism and integrity. Most other 20 odd year olds are not playing football for a living on that sort of cash.
Its a short career, plenty of time for nightclubs and drinking antics when its all over.

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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by bfcmik » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:58 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:nobody expects sainthood, but perhaps on those wages they should expect professionalism and integrity. Most other 20 odd year olds are not playing football for a living on that sort of cash.
Its a short career, plenty of time for nightclubs and drinking antics when its all over.
And plenty of time 2 weeks before the next game. Apparently he was out with other BFC players at the same time.

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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by Wile E Coyote » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:37 pm

bfcmik wrote:And plenty of time 2 weeks before the next game. Apparently he was out with other BFC players at the same time.
Oh, so by being with other clarets, that somehow lessens the problem, and you think a fortnight is some kind of magical period of time when striving to become an athlete can be put on hold ?

their job is simple, get fit, stay fit, and earn respect of the fans by doing your ******* job properly.

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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:58 pm

Situation handled as I was led to believe and impeccably as always. Well done all involved.
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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by Swizzlestick » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:00 am

What else was he going to say? He’s played the diplomatic line because that’s the only one one he could play.

Fact is, a player whose wages we’re paying a hefty proportion of, is out for a number of weeks, and that’s before getting back to match fitness levels. All because he couldn’t resist hitting the town, even when gifted a golden opportunity to get back to playing first team football. Forgive me if I hold back on the bunting.

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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:01 am

Granny WeatherWax wrote:And he said it was something and nothing after the Wolves game.
What is the fascination with needing to know exact dates, do we want opposing teams to know our line up a week in advance of a game to help them set themselves up?

As crazy as everyone needing to know the Brexit negotiation tactics ahead of them happening.

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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:13 am

bfcmik wrote:And plenty of time 2 weeks before the next game. Apparently he was out with other BFC players at the same time.
How many?
And which ones ended up getting stamped on outside Cocaine Whites?

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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:26 am

Sean Dyche is handling this exactly how a good manager should handle it. He's handled the public/media with a polite "nothing to see here, move along" statement. Whatever has gone on inside the club stays inside the club. He's given DD a chance to sort things out ("he's old enough.... etc) and he's protected the club's reputation.

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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by Suratclaret » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:51 am

Paul Waine wrote:Sean Dyche is handling this exactly how a good manager should handle it. He's handled the public/media with a polite "nothing to see here, move along" statement. Whatever has gone on inside the club stays inside the club. He's given DD a chance to sort things out ("he's old enough.... etc) and he's protected the club's reputation.

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Spot on.
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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by jrgbfc » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:21 am

Maybe Vydra should start going out on the lash and causing himself some self inflicted injuries then? Not really sure why Drinkwater gets a second chance while Vydra never been given one in the first place. Certainly has his favourites does our Sean.
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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:13 am

jrgbfc wrote:Maybe Vydra should start going out on the lash and causing himself some self inflicted injuries then? Not really sure why Drinkwater gets a second chance while Vydra never been given one in the first place. Certainly has his favourites does our Sean.
Another thread descends into the subject of the Messiah Vydra.

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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:46 am

Burnleyareback2 wrote:Another thread descends into the subject of the Messiah Vydra.
He's not the Messiah, but Danny is a naughty boy! ;)
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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:58 am

jrgbfc wrote:Maybe Vydra should start going out on the lash and causing himself some self inflicted injuries then? Not really sure why Drinkwater gets a second chance while Vydra never been given one in the first place. Certainly has his favourites does our Sean.

If everything connected to the club makes you whinge non stop why do you bother with it ? The board, the players, club staff all seem to upset you a lot wouldn't you be better with a different hobby ?
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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:00 am

jrgbfc wrote:Maybe Vydra should start going out on the lash and causing himself some self inflicted injuries then? Not really sure why Drinkwater gets a second chance while Vydra never been given one in the first place. Certainly has his favourites does our Sean.
I remember Matej Vydra starting a number of games last season (someone else will quote the exact number). Isn't that quite a number of chances?

Of course, all Burnley players get "second chances" - it's how you respond to those opportunities that matters. Let's see how the next few months turn out for DD - most of his "second chance" will be inside the club, that's all Sean Dyche has done at this stage - that's all he can do at this stage - and that's the right thing to do for the good of the club.

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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:30 am

ClaretTony wrote:He said it was a minor injury which it is - i.e. nothing serious. Don’t twist things to fit in with your anti agenda.
Anti agenda?

Don’t twist things i say into your anti agenda either.

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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by TomtheClaret » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:46 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:none of that is relevant in any shape or form, and if you think for one minute it was acceptable whenever it occured, then you are a mug.
I find it despicable that a six people attack one person.
If it makes me a mug to not to believe ******** printed by the press, then so be it.

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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by Bosscat » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:55 am

ZizkovClaret wrote:He's not the Messiah, but Danny is a naughty boy! ;)
Beat me to that one :)

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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by Burnley1989 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:03 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:If everything connected to the club makes you whinge non stop why do you bother with it ? The board, the players, club staff all seem to upset you a lot wouldn't you be better with a different hobby ?
Its crazy isn't it, I've no problem with people having the odd moan at games but some folk literally moan none stop about anything Burnley related and I just sit there wondering why you would bother going or following Burnley if its makes you so unhappy and grumpy.
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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by Bosscat » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:22 am

Burnley1989 wrote:Its crazy isn't it, I've no problem with people having the odd moan at games but some folk literally moan none stop about anything Burnley related and I just sit there wondering why you would bother going or following Burnley if its makes you so unhappy and grumpy.
I've never understood that either m8

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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by ClaretLoup » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:49 am

I expect Burnley explored all the options re Drinkwater and probably sending him back to Chelsea was not one of them. Also, the fact is that the club has little or no experienced cover in the central midfield area. So they have had to make the best of what has so far been a bad job.

On the plus side the way the fixtures pan out, if he is ready to play in the first team in four weeks he will only miss four games and be available for 12 more.

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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by Down_Rover » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:05 pm

This whole episode may turn out to be a blessing in disguise.

This scenario may pan out. Dyche gives him last chance but he has not played come January.

Chelsea want rid because of disciplinary issues, nobody else will touch him with a bargepole and we sign a penitent for next to nothing now desperate to repay the trust Dyche has put in him

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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by Devils_Advocate » Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:10 pm

Down_Rover wrote:This whole episode may turn out to be a blessing in disguise.

This scenario may pan out. Dyche gives him last chance but he has not played come January.

Chelsea want rid because of disciplinary issues, nobody else will touch him with a bargepole and we sign a penitent for next to nothing now desperate to repay the trust Dyche has put in him
And who's gonna pay his £100k per week salary?

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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by Spike » Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:24 pm

we have all had days of shame and most of us have had good hidings either when drinking or speaking when we should be listening or both.

Dyche will back him in private and in public but will have told him a few home truths

The only other problem is that it doesn't look good on the back of an earlier drink drive ban.

Now its up to Drinkwater and us to make it work. He would be a fool not to at this stage in has career. Lets hope this is the kick (ing) he needs
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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by Down_Rover » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:00 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:And who's gonna pay his £100k per week salary?
We will pay his reasonable salary when nobody else will pay him anything. He is probs in breach at Chelsea

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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by Devils_Advocate » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:23 pm

Down_Rover wrote:We will pay his reasonable salary when nobody else will pay him anything. He is probs in breach at Chelsea
He aint in breach at Chelsea and he's got £100k per week in the bank till 2022. It's a nice thought but we are not signing DD anytime soon so lets hope he gets fit and gets playing and if things go well maybe we manage to extend his loan in Jan to end of season and get some good value for the money we are now paying him

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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by jrgbfc » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:26 pm

Down_Rover wrote:This whole episode may turn out to be a blessing in disguise.

This scenario may pan out. Dyche gives him last chance but he has not played come January.

Chelsea want rid because of disciplinary issues, nobody else will touch him with a bargepole and we sign a penitent for next to nothing now desperate to repay the trust Dyche has put in him
Would you walk away from a 100 grand a week contract knowing at 30 years old you're never going to earn anywhere near that sort of money ever again?

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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by groove » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:41 pm

This Drinkwater fella best be bloody good because to be honest I'm sick of hearing his name.
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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by Bosscat » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:48 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:And who's gonna pay his £100k per week salary?
Chelski

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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by superdimitri » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:15 pm

Transfers don't have to be different from loans you know. Just because you sign a player permanently it doesn't mean you have to pay the same wages as the club they come from.

A deal could be done where we sign him and Chelsea top off his wages for the remainder of his contract there.

That's probably how we signed Hart.

People are assuming because he's paid so much we can't afford his wages but even if we were to pay all 100k it's still only twice what some other players earn and amounts to 5m a year.

We can afford that.

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Re: ARTICLE: Dyche speaks on Drinkwater

Post by Down_Rover » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:48 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:He aint in breach at Chelsea and he's got £100k per week in the bank till 2022. It's a nice thought but we are not signing DD anytime soon so lets hope he gets fit and gets playing and if things go well maybe we manage to extend his loan in Jan to end of season and get some good value for the money we are now paying him
Hey I was only making up a jovial potential outcome so just calm down

But I am interested to know whether you have read his contract. Drink driving together with this incident could well be a breach of contract. Damn sure of that if you are told so by Roman’s lawyers

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