VAR to be stepped up

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VAR to be stepped up

Postby ClaretTony » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:25 pm

Mike Riley has confirmed today that VAR has missed four decisions so far in the Premier League this season and that more interventions will be made from now on

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby claptrappers_union » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:39 pm

VAR needs to challenge the referees, not protect them.

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby SalisburyClaret » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:40 pm

Only 4? Still it's hopefully a step in the right direction

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby Goody1975 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:06 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:VAR needs to challenge the referees, not protect them.


VAR needs to do one.

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby Foshiznik » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:11 pm

Can only assume that Che Adams was one of them. pfffft.

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby duncandisorderly » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:12 pm

So the on field refs have missed incidents that I presume would have been penalties (or a red card) 4 times in 80 games.

I don't suppose we can know how that compares pre VAR.

80! what a spaz.
40....
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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby NottsClaret » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:15 pm

Cool, what we definitely need is more opinions and more delays.
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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby Tricky Trevor » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:25 pm

Schars equaliser at Watford.
Thielemanns stamp on Callum Wilson.
A City pen when Lerma stood on Silvas foot.
A West Ham pen when Haller was fouled by Norwichs Trybull.

No mention of Jiminez foul on Pieters!!

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby ZizkovClaret » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:29 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:Schars equaliser at Watford.
Thielemanns stamp on Callum Wilson.
A City pen when Lerma stood on Silvas foot.
A West Ham pen when Haller was fouled by Norwichs Trybull.

No mention of Jiminez foul on Pieters!!


Did they actually name incidents? Surely if this represents a mid-season change the teams affected could surely be looking at the option of doing a "Sheffield United" if they then go down, or even if it is just a matter of a couple of league places, given the amounts involved..... :shock:

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby cricketfieldclarets » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:50 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Mike Riley has confirmed today that VAR has missed four decisions so far in the Premier League this season and that more interventions will be made from now on

Translates to:
We need more disruption, more controversy and more talking points to justify 8 pundits and a referee on every panel!

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby ClaretTony » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:09 pm

ZizkovClaret wrote:Did they actually name incidents? Surely if this represents a mid-season change the teams affected could surely be looking at the option of doing a "Sheffield United" if they then go down, or even if it is just a matter of a couple of league places, given the amounts involved..... :shock:


No chance of him naming the incidents

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby Hibsclaret » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:10 pm

There’s only been 40 games so far so basically 1 error in every 10 games.

It would be good if they could name the incidents but if one of them wasn’t the Kane penalty that should have been given against Newcastle they still have a long way to go....

Also given that these are the ones they are admitting to I suspect it is a conservative number tbh
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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby ZizkovClaret » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:14 pm

ClaretTony wrote:No chance of him naming the incidents


I thought as much

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby Tricky Trevor » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:43 pm

ClaretTony wrote:No chance of him naming the incidents

They are given on sky. See link.

https://www.skysports.com/share/11807734

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby ClaretTony » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:53 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:They are given on sky. See link.

https://www.skysports.com/share/11807734


I'd only seen the initial interview - Riley didn't mention the incidents then.

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby Quickenthetempo » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:22 pm

The lads watching the TV monitor should tell the ref if something needs looking at again.

There's no excuses.
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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby Hibsclaret » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:34 pm

So basically it’s more than 4 then....

Kane pen is one that should definitely have been overturned for a start

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby Tricky Trevor » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:04 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I'd only seen the initial interview - Riley didn't mention the incidents then.

You’re a busy fella. Keeping us up to speed and watching all the matches you do. You’re allowed the odd miss.

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby Darnhill Claret » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:25 pm

Kane in my opinion might have been clever and leant into the challenge, so I can’t see why it would be overturned, more a case of going with the ref who made the original decision. Some decisions will often split opinions and I think this is a case in point. Unless there is total agreement, no decisions should be reversed.

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby Hibsclaret » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:25 pm

Darnhill Claret wrote:Kane in my opinion might have been clever and leant into the challenge, so I can’t see why it would be overturned, more a case of going with the ref who made the original decision. Some decisions will often split opinions and I think this is a case in point. Unless there is total agreement, no decisions should be reversed.


Anyone who understands the game from a player perspective would know that Kane is gaining balance with that movement to get his shot off. It is as clear a penalty as you will see if you understand why he leans to the left.

Not overturning it and even Alan Shearer’s opinion on it were laughable. If the VAR understands how the player is trying to get a shot off it must be overturned.

This highlights the biggest problem that officials understand the laws but not how to play the game.
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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby claretdj » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:41 pm

Add Grealish 1 to the list @ palace.

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby Darnhill Claret » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:08 pm

I understand the game from a players perspective, but to state that Shearer doesn’t understand the game from a player’s perspective is laughable.
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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby Darnhill Claret » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:09 pm

As he’s right footed he wouldn’t lean to the left so your qualifications are non existent.

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby Darnhill Claret » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:10 pm

He would be concentrating on maintaining his balance.

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby Darnhill Claret » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:13 pm

Or as it used to be called, trying to ride the tackle.

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby Tricky Trevor » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:23 pm

Kanes was a dreadful decision. Lascelles had no chance of reaching the ball and threw himself head first. Missed the ball and contacted the man. PENALTY.
If he had tackled with his boot and had the same outcome nobody would be discussing it.

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby Darnhill Claret » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:34 pm

Well to be serious for a moment if two top ranking ex- professionals like Alan The Sheep and Hibsclaret can’t agree, then I see no grounds on which to reverse the decision. Ref’s call. I admit my first opinion was in favour of Kane. That was because I’d concentrated on the defender. However when I then concentrated on the attacker I changed my opinion. From the position of the ref I’m guessing he was concentrating more on the attacker. So I saw it from both sides and therefore cannot justify overruling the ref. And I reffed for a couple of years too.

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby Darnhill Claret » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:36 pm

Slight doubt, NO PENALTY.

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby Foulthrow » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:44 pm

claretdj wrote:Add Grealish 1 to the list @ palace.


Whistle had gone though before the ball went in the net so there isn't much that VAR can do.

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby Hibsclaret » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:13 pm

Not sure why you have to post 6 times.....

Shearer had his Newcastle specs on...and the other ex pro on MOTD said it was a definite pen along with ex Arsenal Alan Smith in commentary on Sky.

The defender never got anywhere near the ball and took Kane out head first. As mentioned above if it was his feet touching Kane it would be given. Kane is leaning left to protect the ball and get his shot off from the right.

You will not see a clearer penalty this season unless Ashley gets poleaxed by the Southampton keeper again.
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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby Darnhill Claret » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:19 pm

Sorry, didn’t realise there was a limit on number of posts. Just trying to keep them short and to the point.

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby Darnhill Claret » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:20 pm

Back to the golf now.

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Re: VAR to be stepped up

Postby Dyched » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:18 pm

Kanes was a stonewaller of a pen.

Lascelles used his ankle/foot like a swimmer does on the blocks to push himself into Kane.

You don’t “fall” and use your ankle like a spring.


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