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Sheff United

Post by Spijed » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:57 pm

Looking a bit ominous for them at the moment. Played well today but nothing to show for it and now back-to-back home defeats.

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Re: Sheff United

Post by Longsider » Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:49 pm

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Re: Sheff United

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:39 pm

I'd be more worried about us and Brighton after wat hing that shower today.

Is it one win in ten for us?

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Re: Sheff United

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:44 pm

The same points and goal difference as us, not sure it's looking too ominous.

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Re: Sheff United

Post by Spijed » Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:49 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:I'd be more worried about us and Brighton after wat hing that shower today.

Is it one win in ten for us?
You just can't resist forever having a dig at us, can you?

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Re: Sheff United

Post by Spijed » Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:49 pm

Rileybobs wrote:The same points and goal difference as us, not sure it's looking too ominous.
But losing at home to Southampton in the manner they did isn't good.

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Re: Sheff United

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:51 pm

Spijed wrote:But losing at home to Southampton in the manner they did isn't good.
No, it's not. But bear in mind that we were 3 minutes away from leaving Brighton with no points on the back of a dismal performance which would have left us below Sheff Utd in the league. I'm sure they'll be reasonably happy with their start, no doubt they will be in a relegation scrap but I wouldn't say it looks ominous for them.

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Re: Sheff United

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:51 pm

Spijed wrote:You just can't resist forever having a dig at us, can you?
Or maybe I'm wondering why you're bothered about Sheff Utd when it's Burnley that needs all the help it can get?

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Re: Sheff United

Post by Spijed » Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:52 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Or maybe I'm wondering why you're bothered about Sheff Utd when it's Burnley that needs all the help it can get?
So we can't discuss other teams then?

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Re: Sheff United

Post by Local cricketer » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:23 pm

Spijed wrote:You just can't resist forever having a dig at us, can you?
And you just cant resist defending the indefensible. That was dreadful today and if you think it was anything different then give your head a wobble!

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Re: Sheff United

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:28 pm

Spijed wrote:You just can't resist forever having a dig at us, can you?
Just because someone thinks we were poor today doesn't make them less of a fan. You seem obsessed with defending every aspect of the club no matter what, are you Mike Garlick by any chance?

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Re: Sheff United

Post by TVC15 » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:07 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Just because someone thinks we were poor today doesn't make them less of a fan. You seem obsessed with defending every aspect of the club no matter what, are you Mike Garlick by any chance?
Are you Colin Hendry by any chance ?
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Re: Sheff United

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:10 pm

A classic Spijed thread

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Re: Sheff United

Post by MACCA » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:31 pm

I'm sure if youd have offered any Sheff Utd fan this situation in July they'd have accepted.

The fact they're level with us at this stage says more about us than them.

I think we should concentrate on our own form ( or lack of it ) before questioning that of one of the weaker, poorer, unfancied sides in the division. ..
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Re: Sheff United

Post by Erasmus » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:56 pm

It's often the case that promoted sides start quite well but fade badly in the second half of the season. Blackpool perhaps the most obvious example, but ourselves also under Coyle and after.

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Re: Sheff United

Post by Spijed » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:26 am

MACCA wrote:I'm sure if youd have offered any Sheff Utd fan this situation in July they'd have accepted.

The fact they're level with us at this stage says more about us than them.

I think we should concentrate on our own form ( or lack of it ) before questioning that of one of the weaker, poorer, unfancied sides in the division. ..
One poor performance out of five and we are showing a lack of form. hmmm
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Re: Sheff United

Post by Spijed » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:28 am

Rileybobs wrote:No, it's not. But bear in mind that we were 3 minutes away from leaving Brighton with no points on the back of a dismal performance which would have left us below Sheff Utd in the league. I'm sure they'll be reasonably happy with their start, no doubt they will be in a relegation scrap but I wouldn't say it looks ominous for them.
The difference is they need to be at their very best to get anything from a game, and rely on other teams being poor (exactly like Cardiff last season).

Whereas we don't.

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Re: Sheff United

Post by MACCA » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:36 am

Spijed wrote:One poor performance out of five and we are showing a lack of form. hmmm
I'd say Sunderland, Liverpool ( very un Burnley like but its Liverpool ) , and yesterday.
But you're right, I'm sure if we continue the form like we had in those, into the next 2 games, we should pick up some points

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Re: Sheff United

Post by Spijed » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:41 am

MACCA wrote:I'd say Sunderland, Liverpool very un Burnley like but its Liverpool, and yesterday. But you're right, I'm sure if we continue like we have in those in the next 2, we should pick up some points
Does Sunderland count when we made ten changes, and considering we've ALWAYS been poor under SD in the cups, even when we finished 7th?

As for playing Liverpool, how many teams are going to fair any better?

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Re: Sheff United

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:58 am

I'm sorry, but showing how bad other teams may be does not improve us.
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Re: Sheff United

Post by TVC15 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:04 pm

Struggling to see what is un Burnley like about getting beat in the cup and getting beat 3-0 at home by a top 6 side....both are very typical of Burnley and our results in the last few years,

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Re: Sheff United

Post by MACCA » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:59 pm

Spijed wrote:Does Sunderland count when we made ten changes, and considering we've ALWAYS been poor under SD in the cups, even when we finished 7th?

As for playing Liverpool, how many teams are going to fair any better?

Good points.

Form/performance shouldn't be judged on all games, or cup games, just in games that we have the best chance of points.

I dont think winning cup games has done any team good, some say the cup run under Coyle was great for form but that must be a 1 off.

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Re: Sheff United

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:29 pm

Of the teams likely to be outside the top six, we have taken five points from nine, one home win and two away draws. That is more than satisfactory.
We'd end up, if this were to be continued,with I think a minimum of 45/6 points. It's not brilliant but it's enough.

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Re: Sheff United

Post by Quicknick » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:13 am

I think Sheff U will come bottom.

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Re: Sheff United

Post by duncandisorderly » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:34 am

evensteadiereddie wrote:Of the teams likely to be outside the top six, we have taken five points from nine, one home win and two away draws. That is more than satisfactory.
We'd end up, if this were to be continued,with I think a minimum of 45/6 points. It's not brilliant but it's enough.

5 points from 15 available, continued throughout the season, would see us on 38 points.

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Re: Sheff United

Post by Bosscat » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:17 am

duncandisorderly wrote:5 points from 15 available, continued throughout the season, would see us on 38 points.
Cant fault your Math there Duncan m8 :D

Amazing how averaging 1 point per game in a 38 game season results in 38 points innit ;)
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Re: Sheff United

Post by duncandisorderly » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:50 am

Bosscat wrote:Cant fault your Math there Duncan m8 :D

Amazing how averaging 1 point per game in a 38 game season results in 38 points innit ;)
I'm a genius. Didn't need my calculator or anything.
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Re: Sheff United

Post by LeadBelly » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:22 pm

5 points from 15 available, continued throughout the season, would see us on 38 points.
A slightly more appropriate analysis might be...
3 points from 2 home games = 1.5 points per home game
2 points from 3 away games = .67 points per away game

19X1.5 + 19X.67 = 41 points. Probably giving a 14th/15th position.

That's not taking account of the toughness (or otherwise) of games so far. With Liverpool home and Arsenal away in matches so far, it doesnt seem like we've particularly had it easy; cant be too far of average toughness.

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Re: Sheff United

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:40 pm

Or maybe we could say

Beat Southampton
Deserved a point against Arsenal
Would have beat Wolves but was robbed
If we'd have scored when we were on top against Brighton we'd have easily won
lost to Liverpool but them and Man City are miles ahead of everyone else so can just exclude those 4 games as zero points

That leaves us with 10 points over 4 games averaging 2.5 pts per game. That will gives us 85 pts minus the 5 that we undeservedly didn't get so 80 pts and based on last season will see us finish in a comfortable 3rd

Piece of p*ss this predictions lark
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Re: Sheff United

Post by Lord Beamish » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:07 pm

I can’t help but feel that it’s usually best to see how many points we’ve got after 38 games, rather than how many we’ve picked up in a five game period.

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Re: Sheff United

Post by Stayingup » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:57 pm

Spijed wrote:Looking a bit ominous for them at the moment. Played well today but nothing to show for it and now back-to-back home defeats.

Last time I looked they were above us in the league. Is it looking ominous for us?

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Re: Sheff United

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:00 pm

I think we are reading too much into this

We've played two teams you'd expect to lose to and three teams you'd want to get points against.

Thats what we have essentially done.
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Re: Sheff United

Post by Spijed » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:23 pm

Stayingup wrote:Last time I looked they were above us in the league. Is it looking ominous for us?
What league table are you looking at btw?

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Re: Sheff United

Post by Tall Paul » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:27 pm

Spijed wrote:What league table are you looking at btw?
Last week's, presumably.

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Re: Sheff United

Post by evensteadiereddie » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:09 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:5 points from 15 available, continued throughout the season, would see us on 38 points.
Sorry, I thought it was obvious I was talking about our potential results v. the other 13 non-top six clubs. :roll:
We beat them at home and draw away, it's more than 38 points, chuck.
Our points v Saints, Wolves and Brighton are bang on track.

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Re: Sheff United

Post by duncandisorderly » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:21 pm

Chuck? Chuck is for Charles. It's Duck for Duncan, which coincidentally is my cricket average.

Or is it

It's Duck for Duncan which, coincidentally, is my cricket average.

I never know where to place the comma.

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Re: Sheff United

Post by evensteadiereddie » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:55 pm

Either way, I hope you get the point I was making now.

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Re: Sheff United

Post by evensteadiereddie » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:58 pm

Quicknick wrote:I think Sheff U will come bottom.
Pretty unlikely given today's news.

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Re: Sheff United

Post by Spijed » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:30 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:Pretty unlikely given today's news.
Any new money unlikely to help them this season. Wherever they come in the league will be with the players they already have.

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Re: Sheff United

Post by KRBFC » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:35 pm

Looking ominous for a side with the same amount of points as us, classic spijed, only spijed.

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Re: Sheff United

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:40 pm

We are 4th in the ‘other 14 league’, Sheffield United are second bottom. Look it up kids.

Spijed might have unintentionally hit the jackpot.

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Re: Sheff United

Post by Spijed » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:44 pm

KRBFC wrote:Looking ominous for a side with the same amount of points as us, classic spijed, only spijed.
We'll see.

Btw, still think Marco Silva is a top class manager?

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Re: Sheff United

Post by evensteadiereddie » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:20 pm

Spijed wrote:Any new money unlikely to help them this season. Wherever they come in the league will be with the players they already have.
How so ?

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Re: Sheff United

Post by Spijed » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:27 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:How so ?
Do clubs achieve that much success buying in the January transfer window, especially if you have to shoe-horn too many players in, in such a short space of time?

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Re: Sheff United

Post by tiger76 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:33 pm

If Sheff Utd are going to stay up they'll need to beat the middling sides at home in particular,their achilles heel could be a lack of goals they had plenty of the ball against Southampton but lacked the killer touch.

Billy Sharp will miss 3 games as well which is a further blow to them,the hope for them is Chris Wilder he's not overawed by the PL,and that could rub off on his players.

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Re: Sheff United

Post by KRBFC » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:26 pm

Spijed wrote:We'll see.

Btw, still think Marco Silva is a top class manager?
Yeah, destroyed us 5-1 at home, showed what Everton are capable of, I still think they’re 3 players short of pushing top 6 but a young side laying the foundations to challenge in the future. If Silva is there in 2 years time, I think the gap will close further.

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