Should Vydra start?

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Should Vydra start?

Postby FactualFrank » Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:26 am

I rate Wood and he's equally as good as Vydra, depending on how we play and form. We went through the rigmarole of how Wood shouldn't start but this was by somebody who doesn't know football. Now, I think it's simply a case of a drop in form.

So is now the time to let Vydra have his bollocking - recover from it - and tell the manager how good he is?

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby martin_p » Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:28 am

Nope
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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby Vegas Claret » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:35 am

not against Norwich, I think Barnes and Wood will bully their defence so I expect the same team to start as today

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby bobinho » Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:37 am

Dyche will “go again” with the starting line up regardless of the improvement post substitutions yesterday. He just will.

Do i agree? Doesn’t matter whether I do or don’t, he’s far more qualified to make that call. He’s certainly earned our trust hasn’t he?

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby MACCA » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:47 am

SD said the lads who came on changed the game and started asking questions.
He went on to say it's fine margins for picking the side and Jeff has been quality in training and knocking on the door.

He could well change it, it might make a few of the comfy players up their game.

A commentator yesterday said Chris Wood has only had 4 shots on target in his last 9 games, I found that stat quite poor ( if it was true ) couple that with no goals in 5, it may force a shake up.

Certainly couldn't argue if Sean decided a shake up is required.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby Right_winger » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:14 am

Wood seems to have a few flash games where he scores and is a handful then he just goes missing again.

Dyche won’t drop him though unless we are playing 1 striker and Hendrick comes back in as a defensive number 10

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby No Ney Never » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:21 am

Since most teams set up against us to deal with the long ball to the front two, then maybe we ought to be mixing it up a bit by playing the likes of Vyagra and JayRod. As it's not what the opposition have trained for, could take a few by surprise.
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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby SalouClaret » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:53 am

No Ney Never wrote:Since most teams set up against us to deal with the long ball to the front two, then maybe we ought to be mixing it up a bit by playing the likes of Vyagra and JayRod. As it's not what the opposition have trained for, could take a few by surprise.



That's certainly one way to ensure he doesn't become a flop
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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby Tricky Trevor » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:03 am

Wood will never be a finisher but he does the job he’s asked to do.
He was so flat footed for the two half chances yesterday.
He has been so poor this season time must be running out.
JRod & Barnes for me currently with Vydra to come on after 70mins.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby claretfern » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:07 am

I would like him to start but he won't; it will be the same two up front, irrespective of form.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby Hibsclaret » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:08 am

It’s a confidence issue with strikers. If Wood scores that chance at Wolves where he is a bit unlucky and also the early one against Liverpool you can get a different player. I don’t think it helped trotting him out in front of the media pre game tbh. He was asked about his offsides, not scoring etc when that just notches the pressure up for me when he is yet to score. Should have been Barnes on media duty pre match.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby Belgianclaret » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:13 am

I would start Jeff on the right side instead of Lennon
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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby Prefeot » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:32 am

Absolutely not !

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby Rileybobs » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:48 am

bobinho wrote:Dyche will “go again” with the starting line up regardless of the improvement post substitutions yesterday. He just will.

Do i agree? Doesn’t matter whether I do or don’t, he’s far more qualified to make that call. He’s certainly earned our trust hasn’t he?


Not sure there was an improvement post substitution yesterday. The substitutes combined once in a fantastic move but I don’t think that was particularly representative of the 20 minutes or so that they were on the pitch. We hardly created a thing after taking Wood off and if Hendrick had shot just wide I don’t think people would be calling for Vydra to start on the back of a neat little flick.

Wood’s short of form and could maybe do with a rest though. It’s a tough call though because on another day he would have put one or two of his chances in yesterday and maybe could have played himself into form.

Dyche knows the players best and he knows that Wood is our most accomplished goal scorer at this level - therefore it makes sense to do everything we can to get Wood back to last season’s clinical form. That said, we’re in a position where we have options on the bench so there comes a point where they need to be given a chance.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby Bordeauxclaret » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:02 am

No goal in ten competitive games for Wood. Which does seem odd as he couldn’t stop scoring in pre season.

The other two must be knocking on the door.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby ksrclaret » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:09 am

Yes. We've got two quality strikers on the bench, and it's not fair on them to continue playing out of form players ahead of them just in case they manage to play their way back into form. No. Wood has been very poor thus far and so someone else deserves a bash.

I hope to see one of Vydra or Rodriquez start against Norwich, with Hendrick coming into the side too.
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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby jrgbfc » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:38 am

If Wood continues to look out of sorts Dyche might consider a change by November.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby claretfern » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:51 am

ksrclaret wrote:Yes. We've got two quality strikers on the bench, and it's not fair on them to continue playing out of form players ahead of them just in case they manage to play their way back into form. No. Wood has been very poor thus far and so someone else deserves a bash.

I hope to see one of Vydra or Rodriquez start against Norwich, with Hendrick coming into the side too.


Absolutely, this.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby BOYSIE31 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:47 pm

I'm not Hendricks biggest fan but he has to start in central midfield on Saturday after his great goal yesterday as he will be buzzing - but knowing how stubborn our great leader is he wont

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby Blackrod » Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:54 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:No goal in ten competitive games for Wood. Which does seem odd as he couldn’t stop scoring in pre season.

The other two must be knocking on the door.


Not really. Juke scored for fun in pre season but couldn’t hit a barn door in real games.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby Fretters » Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:55 pm

Hendrick for Lennon has to be the change for me. It'll still be Wood and Barnes up top.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby ClaretTony » Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:59 pm

I totally agree with Rileybobs that the substitutions didn’t improve us yesterday until the move which brought us the goal.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby bobinho » Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:27 pm

Blackrod wrote:Not really. Juke scored for fun in pre season but couldn’t hit a barn door in real games.


I think we saw how a poor start to a season with a few misses thrown in can affect players so badly with Juke. At the time I was more disappointed FOR him than with him.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby FactualFrank » Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:28 pm

Taylor, Hendrick, Vydra in.

Pieters, Lennon, Wood make way.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby FactualFrank » Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:34 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I totally agree with Rileybobs that the substitutions didn’t improve us yesterday until the move which brought us the goal.


So overall it improved us. You can just tell that Vydra adds the much needed class and I think forces us to play more on the ground, which is often a good thing.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby bobinho » Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:37 pm

Three changes frank? Other than cup games or when enforced due to injuries/suspension, has SD ever done that?

I’d like to see Jeff start for sure instead of Lennon. I don’t see him dropping Wood. Not saying he doesn’t deserve dropping, and I think maybe a break will do him good, just don’t see SD doing it.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby Paul Waine » Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:38 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Taylor, Hendrick, Vydra in.

Pieters, Lennon, Wood make way.


Hi Frank, I wasn't at the AMEX and no stream. What did Vydra do other than lay it back to Hendrick? He was on for around 20 mins, so you must have seen more than one lay back?

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby ClaretTony » Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:42 pm

FactualFrank wrote:So overall it improved us. You can just tell that Vydra adds the much needed class and I think forces us to play more on the ground, which is often a good thing.


Two of them involved with goal

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby Sarum » Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:42 pm

The substitutes gradually grew into the game and we were moving the ball forward a bit better, but as the clock ticked onto the 90 minute mark I remarked to my pal that, frankly, they'd really not made much of an impac..........................YESSSS! GET IN!!
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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby FactualFrank » Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:46 pm

Paul Waine wrote:Hi Frank, I wasn't at the AMEX and no stream. What did Vydra do other than lay it back to Hendrick? He was on for around 20 mins, so you must have seen more than one lay back?


I watched part of the second half stream so watched a lot of when he came on, and watched the extended highlights this morning. And we've all seen him when he's been on in previous games. For me, it's a lot about what he does off the ball too - the runs he makes, how he often loses his defender and we need to look to give him the ball much more. My cousin lives in Matlock, so went to Derby County several times with him whilst Vydra was there. I guess I'm just saying he's comfortable on the ball and with confidence, will be brilliant for us. Wood has already shown he's been very good for us, but like all forwards he's going through a dip. Let's give Vydra his chance that a lot of people on this board have been crying out for. I'm very confident he'll do well.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby FactualFrank » Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:46 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Two of them involved with goal


And Vydra was one of them - who is the topic of this thread.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby cricketfieldclarets » Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:51 pm

Probably not warranted a start yet. Or should I say Wood and Barnes have earnt the right to be the front two. But there’s no way we should’ve been using him as little as we have. Brings something totally different and was brilliant against Bournemouth last year than unexplainable that he rarely featured since.

A bit like Blake in style. And just the different option we need.
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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby Granny WeatherWax » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:00 pm

If Dyche is true to his word regarding the team being hard to pick at the moment then Jay or Vydra need to be given a chance from the off. Wood has been garbage so far this season.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby ClaretTony » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:04 pm

FactualFrank wrote:And Vydra was one of them - who is the topic of this thread.


I was just suggesting that, goal apart, the subs didn’t really change things.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby ClaretTony » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:05 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:If Dyche is true to his word regarding the team being hard to pick at the moment then Jay or Vydra need to be given a chance from the off. Wood has been garbage so far this season.


Wood certainly hasn’t been garbage and in fairness the forward who has offered the least when he’s been on is Rodriguez.
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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby Granny WeatherWax » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:06 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Wood certainly hasn’t been garbage and in fairness the forward who has offered the least when he’s been on is Rodriguez.


In my opinion Wood has been rubbish.

Agree about Jay but it’s not always easy coming from the bench.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby FactualFrank » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:07 pm

Norwich and Aston Villa coming up - these 2 are perfect for Vydra, who looks suspect when they have a forward running at them.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby ClaretTony » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:08 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:In my opinion Wood has been rubbish


So you keep telling us

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby Granny WeatherWax » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:11 pm

ClaretTony wrote:So you keep telling us


5 games 2 shots on target, 0 assists. Poor.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby FactualFrank » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:16 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:5 games 2 shots on target, 0 assists. Poor.


Might have something to do with the service.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby evensteadiereddie » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:17 pm

No, we start with the same side. I think Norwich will struggle against us. Both Wood and Barnes to score.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby Granny WeatherWax » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:18 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Might have something to do with the service.


It’s not been great but Barnes has managed to score a few. Wood looks to fall to pieces every time get gets the ball at the moment and missed a golden chance score at wolves and against Liverpool.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby FCBurnley » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:19 pm

I would certainly play Vydra ahead of JRod. He has the ability to change a game from the bench
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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby bobinho » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:20 pm

Ultimately, a forward is judged on two things. Goals scored and assists.

There are other elements to a forwards game I agree, like hold up play and bringing others into the game, and taking opposition players away to create space and those elements have been present in Woods all round game and contributions....but the two main points are above.

People will judge the forwards on those. And when they do, they will come up with statements like we have read on here. Like it or not, these points are valid.

I like wood. But he shouldn’t be a shoe in every week regardless. He, like every other player should have to EARN the shirt, and some feel after ten games without a goal it’s time to give someone else a look.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby Sarum » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:28 pm

Matej reminds me a little bit of Danny Ings, especially when Danny first arrived. Quick feet in the box, good at getting into goal scoring spaces.... poses a different problem for defenders than a Chris Wood type of player. I thought Matej showed a lot of promise when he came on for the Czech Republic against England a few months ago. Not sure that SD would select him in preference to AB or CW but if we should need to make enforced line up changes (due to an injury or suspension) I'd like to see him given time to settle into the side over a run of matches...

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby Granny WeatherWax » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:34 pm

Whether it’s vydra or Jay someone deserves a chance instead of Wood.

It’s More likely to be Jay though regardless of his ineffectual cameo apparenaces given Dyche’s history in using Vydra.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby Stalbansclaret » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:47 pm

No. Great flick by Vydra yesterday but prior to that I thought he looked, as usual, lightweight and guilty of poor decision making ..notably when he got into a nice position in front of us on the corner of their box with support arriving but just seemed to panic and stab it aimlessly inside to no-one. I'm not a fan and really don't get the view that some on this thread have of him as some kind of skilful, paced playmaker. His career record in the PL is poor and I just think he isn't really up to it.
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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby bobinho » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:51 pm

He won’t, cos he won’t play. At least he won’t start.

Is there a difference between how you just described Vydra and Wood in your opinion St Albans? Just askin like....

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby FactualFrank » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:51 pm

FCBurnley wrote:I would certainly play Vydra ahead of JRod. He has the ability to change a game from the bench


Jay I thought did decent when coming on vs Liverpool just not as good as Vydra. Jay will still be a valid option from the bench.

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Re: Should Vydra start?

Postby ClaretTony » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:54 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:5 games 2 shots on target, 0 assists. Poor.


Wasn’t aware that’s how you judge a player’s performances. I though watching how he played was a much better idea.

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Think it might be better for you than this site.
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