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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:26 pm

Team. Lukas Jensen, Ryan Cooney, Oliver Younger, Scott Wilson, Anthony Glennon, Ne-Jai Tucker, Adam Phillips, Christian N’Guessan, Ali Koiki, Joe McGlynn, Lewis Richardson.

Subs: George McMahon, Jordan Cropper, Tunde Bayode, Josh Benson, Mitch George.

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Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:30 pm

Two 16 yr olds up front ?

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:40 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Two 16 yr olds up front ?
It is - massive ask for them

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Post by Bosscat » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:03 pm

So it is a start for Lukas Jensen :D

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:28 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Two 16 yr olds up front ?

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Post by Leisure » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:29 pm

1 up.

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:29 pm

26 mins: Burnley 1 Ipswich 0 - Koiki pen
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Post by dpinsussex » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:34 pm

Just seen,the team sheet on twitter. Both teams wearing white shorts. Hope the referee sorted that out before kick off :)

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Post by ClaretLoup » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:37 pm

Twitter feed has Cooney as No 2.

Richardson & Mc Glynn are quite small, think Barnes and Vydra. However a nice strong midfield pair. Philips & N'Guessan.

I see Richardson won the penalty.

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:56 pm

1-0 at half time but we had the clearest of pens turned down in stoppage time

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:57 pm

ClaretLoup wrote:Twitter feed has Cooney as No 2.

Richardson & Mc Glynn are quite small, think Barnes and Vydra. However a nice strong midfield pair. Philips & N'Guessan.

I see Richardson won the penalty.
Richardson did win it, McGlynn won what should have been the second.

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:15 pm

54 mins: penalty to Burnley, goalkeeper on Richardson

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:16 pm

55 mins: Burnley 2 Ipswich 0 - Koiki pen

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:23 pm

61 mins: Burnley 3 Ipswich 0 - Koiki hat trick. Turned it home after keeper parried a shot

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Post by dpinsussex » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:27 pm

ClaretTony wrote:54 mins: penalty to Burnley, goalkeeper on Richardson
2nd time in the game apparently . Thin ice for the keeper I would suspect

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Post by Bosscat » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:35 pm

Looking forward to next Mondays game Koiki is proving to be very good since moving from LB to LW (I assume he is wing and not Striker)

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:37 pm

Bosscat wrote:Looking forward to next Mondays game Koiki is proving to be very good since moving from LB to LW (I assume he is wing and not Striker)
He’s wearing 7 but playing on the left.

First half was evening but we’ve been well on top this half.

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Post by Goobs » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:40 pm

seems the move to LW is suiting Koiki, shame we couldn't get him out on loan, but if he carries on like this then surely someone in L1 or L2 will be will to have a look at him in January.

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:43 pm

82 mins: Bayode on for Tucker

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:45 pm

Goobs wrote:seems the move to LW is suiting Koiki, shame we couldn't get him out on loan, but if he carries on like this then surely someone in L1 or L2 will be will to have a look at him in January.
Read something from Oldham last week. They’ve decided to reduce the number of players they bring in on loan because it’s not cost effective.

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Post by Goobs » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:48 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Read something from Oldham last week. They’ve decided to reduce the number of players they bring in on loan because it’s not cost effective.
I would have thought it would be the other way around, but I guess a lot depends on the player, the club he comes from and how he ultimately turns out.

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:52 pm

90 mins: Burnley 3 Ipswich 1, let them back in for last few mins. Getting hammered by Stone on the touch line.

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:54 pm

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:21 pm

Goobs wrote:I would have thought it would be the other way around, but I guess a lot depends on the player, the club he comes from and how he ultimately turns out.
I can understand Benson because he’s not played any first team football but Koiki did well at Swindon last season. Looked as though we would get some on loan but then clubs pulled out.

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Post by boatshed bill » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:44 pm

Koiki is 20 years old, should be pushing for first team football, he's doing really well.

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:56 pm

Goobs wrote:I would have thought it would be the other way around, but I guess a lot depends on the player, the club he comes from and how he ultimately turns out.
Clubs charge big fees for loans these days.

It's not cheap for clubs and often players need a lot of game time to get up to scratch.

I wouldn't develope other clubs players at great expense to me if I was a club owner.

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:57 pm

Koiki needs to be in the squad v Norwich
We need his pace and energy
At 20 hes old enough to make the step up

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:05 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Koiki needs to be in the squad v Norwich
What are you basing that on?

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Post by Goobs » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:07 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Koiki needs to be in the squad v Norwich
We need his pace and energy
At 20 hes old enough to make the step up
Ahead of who? Brady? Taylor? McNeil? Pieters?

If he was ready to be in the squad then I'm sure Dyche would have done so, but unfortunately for him he plays in two positions that barring a massive injury crisis we are very well stocked up in.

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:08 pm

ClaretTony wrote:What are you basing that on?

His in-depth knowledge of the player based on watching him several times. :D

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Post by boatshed bill » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:53 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:His in-depth knowledge of the player based on watching him several times. :D
I don't think you need knowledge of an individual player to understand that at 20 that player should be pushing for first team football, so if not with us then perhaps a division or two lower. 10 years is a short career, how long do you think a player would want to stay in a development squad if he has little chance of breaking into the first team?
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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:58 pm

boatshed bill wrote:I don't think you need knowledge of an individual player to understand that at 20 that player should be pushing for first team football, so if not with us then perhaps a division or two lower. 10 years is a short career, how long do you think a player would want to stay in a development squad if he has little chance of breaking into the first team?


Had he said he should be looking at a loan move to a lower league side and getting first team football you may have a point, but he said he should be in our squad against Norwich this weekend.

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:59 pm

boatshed bill wrote:I don't think you need knowledge of an individual player to understand that at 20 that player should be pushing for first team football, so if not with us then perhaps a division or two lower. 10 years is a short career, how long do you think a player would want to stay in a development squad if he has little chance of breaking into the first team?
We've tried to get him out on loan but were unable to. We know he needs first team football, he did well with Swindon last season, but if there are no takers he can't go anywhere.

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:21 pm

Fast with a eye for goal we need to shake up our bench
Why some folk think hes not worth a chance is beyond me
One of our issues has been reluctance by Sean to change the team
The point at Brighton and use of subs better than in lots of games may point to a new approach .

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Post by Goobs » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:32 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Fast with a eye for goal we need to shake up our bench
Why some folk think hes not worth a chance is beyond me
One of our issues has been reluctance by Sean to change the team
The point at Brighton and use of subs better than in lots of games may point to a new approach .
I'll ask again then. If you are going to put him in the squad it would be ahead of who? Brady? Taylor? McNeil? Pieters?

Or would it be someone else? Vydra? Jayrod? Hendrick?

It's not that people don't want to see young players given a chance, but what has he done in the game thus far to prove that he is more deserving of a place in the squad than any of the above not to mention others such as Gibson, Long, Bardsley and what about the other promising youngsters such as Glennon, Richardson or Benson? Are they not equally deserving of a chance?

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:36 pm

We had a pedestrian in Lennon at Brighton
Thats one position wide right and fast we need as we failed to sign a player for that spot in Summer
None of the others mentioned could be described as pacy and wingers.

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Post by gc14 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:59 pm

The big number 5 for Ipswich i'm told captained Shrewsbury last season in league 1 ... Richardson ran him ragged
especially in the 2nd half ..

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Post by Bosscat » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:41 pm

gc14 wrote:The big number 5 for Ipswich i'm told captained Shrewsbury last season in league 1 ... Richardson ran him ragged
especially in the 2nd half ..
I've seen Richardson several times now this season and he looks very good.
A real prospect
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Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:01 pm

Richardson must be handled well.
We need to ensure we dont stifle his development with loans to National league teams
Hes an England international and should be encouraged to keep striving for a first team berth

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Post by Goobs » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:28 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:We had a pedestrian in Lennon at Brighton
Thats one position wide right and fast we need as we failed to sign a player for that spot in Summer
None of the others mentioned could be described as pacy and wingers.
It doesn't matter if they are pacy wingers, what matters is that they are very good players who are capable of playing at this level.

You can only have so many players in your match day squad and so in order to bring in an inexperienced youth player on the off chance they may have what it takes means that you would have to remove one of the others.

Are you suggesting we drop Lennon from the squad and replace him with Koiki who plays on the opposite flank? Do we then start with Hendrick and have two left wingers on the bench in Koiki and Brady?

I like to see young players come through as much as anyone but I'm trying to understand your comments but they just seem nonsensical to me considering his unknown talent compared to what we already have.

Guess it's just a differing opinion though which is all good so maybe just leave it at that as I appear to be rambling on like Long time lurker now :(

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:31 pm

Bosscat wrote:I've seen Richardson several times now this season and he looks very good.
A real prospect
Very much so but the key word there is prospect and right now he's nothing more than that and a 16-year-old prospect at that. Having said that, against a big strong experienced Ipswich defence today he did really well and definitely doesn't look out of place in a team that he'll still qualify to play for in seven years time.

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Post by boatshed bill » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:52 pm

ClaretTony wrote:We've tried to get him out on loan but were unable to. We know he needs first team football, he did well with Swindon last season, but if there are no takers he can't go anywhere.
I get the loan thing, but as you know I'm not keen on it.
This is a 20 year old man who clearly is doing his very best in our reserves. Now, if he is not going to make the first team squad, don't we owe it to him to find him a club where he can start to play league football?

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:56 pm

boatshed bill wrote:don't we owe it to him to find him a club where he can start to play league football?
That's exactly what we tried to do by getting him out on loan. I thought you didn't want that. He did well at Swindon last season and the plan was to get him out to another club this season. Hopefully we will do in January. as for owing it to him, if club's don't want him there is little we can do about it.

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Post by Goobs » Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:02 am

ClaretTony wrote:That's exactly what we tried to do by getting him out on loan. I thought you didn't want that. He did well at Swindon last season and the plan was to get him out to another club this season. Hopefully we will do in January. as for owing it to him, if club's don't want him there is little we can do about it.
I may be wrong but I think he is suggesting that unless we have immediate plans to play him we should get rid of him so he can have a career elsewhere?

Not sure why we would do that or why anyone would think it a good idea. Let's hope a couple more can get out on loan in January.

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Post by boatshed bill » Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:10 am

ClaretTony wrote:That's exactly what we tried to do by getting him out on loan. I thought you didn't want that. He did well at Swindon last season and the plan was to get him out to another club this season. Hopefully we will do in January. as for owing it to him, if club's don't want him there is little we can do about it.
You know that I disapprove of the loan system, to me it's a bit like "stockpiling", for use of a better word. It strikes me that Koiki is playing really well (6 goals in 6 games?) one can only assume he's putting everything he has into it,so if he is unlikely to displace anyone in the first team squad despite these performances, perhaps it's BFC's duty to find him a club where he can further his professional career, maybe in the next window?
Because at 20 he needs to be getting on with his career.

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Post by dsr » Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:39 am

boatshed bill wrote:I don't think you need knowledge of an individual player to understand that at 20 that player should be pushing for first team football, so if not with us then perhaps a division or two lower. 10 years is a short career, how long do you think a player would want to stay in a development squad if he has little chance of breaking into the first team?
Who knows? But there is more than one way to have a football career. Who knows, maybe Plymouth Argyle thought like you when they ditched Ashley Barnes at age 20. You don't get rid of promising players just because they might not make it, and you don't get rid of promising players just because they don't fit the idealised template of a professional career progression.

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Post by Suratclaret » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:03 am

Great to read about young players progressing whether or not they make it eventually into the first team squad. As far as Richardson is concerned, could the same thing happen to him as happened to that young lad who Man U signed from us but unfortunately didn't appear to fulfill his earlier promise? I'm not sure on the contract situations these days and would Burnley turn down a sizeable offer from another club?

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:24 am

boatshed bill wrote:You know that I disapprove of the loan system, to me it's a bit like "stockpiling", for use of a better word. It strikes me that Koiki is playing really well (6 goals in 6 games?) one can only assume he's putting everything he has into it,so if he is unlikely to displace anyone in the first team squad despite these performances, perhaps it's BFC's duty to find him a club where he can further his professional career, maybe in the next window?
Because at 20 he needs to be getting on with his career.
So we've brought a young lad into the club from nowhere, progressed him over three years, seen him develop but because he's 20 and not in the first team you think we should ditch him, not only ditch him but you think it is our duty to find him another club. I think player development might have passed you by.

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Post by Local cricketer » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:27 am

How did Brian's lad play?

Chip of the old block?

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Post by Longsidelenny » Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:21 am

Hope he as a decent career like is dad goalkeeping must be in there blood

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