Danny Drinkwater

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:12 am

fidelcastro wrote:Not while he was here, he didn't.

Mores the point. We signed him knowing his history and it wasn’t an issue

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:12 am

ClaretTony wrote:Some of the almost hysterical comments about Drinkwater on this board are incredible - the lad has made a serious mistake, it's done and dusted, but seems some on here can't wait to post to have a go at him.

Absolutely. I’m sure if Dyche has said it’s sorted it is.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:13 am

ClaretTony wrote:Joey's name had already been brought in prior to my comment - but the suggestion was that Drinkwater could be a bad apple. I would say, given what Joey had done then he was the most rotten apple you could bring in to your dressing room. Can't believe anyone didn't have serious, serious concerns when we signed him.

Yes, and plenty of posters on here expressed their concerns. But JB really didn't let himself or BFC down whilst here, DD has.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:13 am

Vegas Claret wrote:probably why it's taken a few weeks for us to see the video !

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:13 am

I think the overreaction on here to a bit of footage, which could well be a small fraction of everything that went on, is ridiculous.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:15 am

ClaretTony wrote:I think the overreaction on here to a bit of footage, which could well be a small fraction of everything that went on, is ridiculous.

Almost certainly is a small fraction.

Wouldn’t be at all surprised if someone spotted their chance of sixty seconds fame for attacking someone more successful and high profile than themselves...

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:15 am

boatshed bill wrote:Yes, and plenty of posters on here expressed their concerns. But JB really didn't let himself or BFC down whilst here, DD has.

You've missed the point entirely - given the comments on here about this Drinkwater incident and the potential for him to be a bad apple, it has to be asked why Dyche ever even considered signing one of the most rotten apples we'd had in the game for a long time. We signed him knowing what he'd done. Not relevant that he was as good as gold while he was here.

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:15 am

There’s no issue giving someone a chance when they have previously done something that is out of order. The issue is when they let you down....that’s the difference between Barton and Drinkwater, one of them has let us down

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:15 am

ClaretTony wrote:I think the overreaction on here to a bit of footage, which could well be a small fraction of everything that went on, is ridiculous.

Are people not entitled to dislike yobbish behaviour on here?
It's not hysterical, it's opinion.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:16 am

fidelcastro wrote:If Drinkwater should get 12 months for the headbutt, what should the other guy and his mates, who caused Drinkwater's injury get?

Just asking.

Similar.

If there's enough evidence. There's usually cameras outside a club.

DD is bang to rights.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:16 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Almost certainly is a small fraction.

Wouldn’t be at all surprised if someone spotted their chance of sixty seconds fame for attacking someone more successful and high profile than themselves...

But just look at all the overreaction on here based on that. Just look at some of the shocking comments on the original thread.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:16 am

boatshed bill wrote:Are people not entitled to dislike yobbish behaviour on here?
It's not hysterical, it's opinion.

Point missed again

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:17 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:How much time did Duncan Ferguson get for the headbutt?

Different circumstances. In Ferguson's case it wasn't a drunken brawl where both parties seemed equally culpable.

Also, is the Scunthorpe player or anyone else pressing charges?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:17 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Il be honest. While I’d never condone racism. I’d rather be called a white whatever than head butted

But how is that even relevant? QTT was suggesting that it was contradictory to think that Beardsley deserved the sack for racism but Drinkwater wouldn’t be sacked for assault. Why would Chelsea sack him for an incident that occurred away from work when they could sell him for tens of millions of pounds.

Furthermore, if I racially abused a colleague on Monday I’d lose my job. If I got into a scrap tomorrow night and someone posted a video on Twitter I wouldn’t.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:18 am

ClaretTony wrote:Point missed again

Not making a point, just asking.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:27 am

ClaretTony wrote:I think the overreaction on here to a bit of footage, which could well be a small fraction of everything that went on, is ridiculous.

I think your overreaction to the overreaction about overreacting is ridiculous

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:33 am

"dirty headbutt"?

So you're in a fight with someone, what are the rules?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:35 am

tarkys_ears wrote:"dirty headbutt"?

So you're in a fight with someone, what are the rules?

three falls and a submission

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:38 am

tarkys_ears wrote:"dirty headbutt"?

So you're in a fight with someone, what are the rules?

Make sure your forehead is clean before you go out.

Also when hugging your opponent, make sure you connect properly with aforementioned clean forehead.

Wasn't DD jumped outside the bar afterwards by the other blokes mates?
That's a bit shady

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:44 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Make sure your forehead is clean before you go out.

Also when hugging your opponent, make sure you connect properly with aforementioned clean forehead.

Wasn't DD jumped outside the bar afterwards by the other blokes mates?
That's a bit shady

Supposedly.

But we were told he was just drunk and trying it on with the lads Mrs. Then he got chucked out and jumped on by 6 lads chanting break his legs.

Then the head butt video got released, so who k owns the real story.

Has the Scunthorpe player got in trouble with his club?

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:56 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Has the Scunthorpe player got in trouble with his club?

Has he been accused of doing anything wrong?
May be wrong, but I'm not sure that he has.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:04 am

I think the wider point is that this lad appears to like a drink to the point that he makes **** poor decisions. At best he embarrass himself. At worst he endangers others.

Plowing a car carrying passengers into a wall whilst 2.5 times over the drink drive limit in April was worse that this.

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:45 am

Any update on his fitness situation?

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:55 am

Huge over reactions again from the usuals, it’s done now just get over it.

Should do porridge...

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:22 am

boatshed bill wrote:Are people not entitled to dislike yobbish behaviour on here?
It's not hysterical, it's opinion.

Do you believe in evolution? It takes millions of years for slight changes and it is still happening to our species. Hunt , eat , fight , fck , sleep and repeat was the daily routine for survival.
Just because we dress up and make lots of rules on how life should be lived not everybody can control those evolutionary instincts ingrained in the DNA. Rutting and strutting vying for the attention of a busty maiden in a club in a testosterone fuelled frenzy brought on by alcohol is unfortunately natural instinctive behaviour bubbling to the surface.

In remote parts of the world hunt , fight, eat , fck and sleep is still the daily routine.

Banning alcohol for under 40s would help.

BFCmaj · Post by **BFCmaj** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:22 am

Rileybobs wrote:Yer, but wud u rather b called a monkey or head butted?

Or how about being head butted by a monkey?

AndyClaret · Post by **AndyClaret** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:28 am

JohnDearyMe wrote:Any update on his fitness situation?

On the grass.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:29 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:Jesus Christ certainly isn't.

Jesus Christ and Muhammad are historical figures. God and Allah are myths.

Back on topic. If that is DD, and I’m not sure it is, he should be sent back. I can understand players getting inebriated after a hard weeks training and a tough match but not whilst in the middle of rehab following injury.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:54 am

ClaretTony wrote:It had and Dyche said so.

Dyche said it had all been dealt with, agreed. But, it had only been dealt with, on the facts known at the time. If Davenport didn't mention the butt, and the video wasn't available at that time, then this needs looking into by the club, did he lie to dyche? Did he hide the truth?. Would his punishment have been more, had the video been available at the time.
Not one single person on here knows what was, and wasn't said in that meeting, and let's not pretend otherwise

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:13 am

He’s a very lucky boy to still br here. He had previous and this must be last chance saloon

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:22 am

Given his performance vs Sunderland, then I have yet to see what difference it’ll make whether he stays or goes, other than injury cover.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:35 am

What a sorry state of affairs,just goes to prove alcohol & dickheads are a lethal combination....send him back.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:49 am

He’s a drunk and a chav.

For those two reasons alone, it’s not surprising that some on here are relating to him.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:32 am

ksrclaret wrote:He’s a drunk and a chav.

For those two reasons alone, it’s not surprising that some on here are relating to him.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:39 am

Whilst I understand the Barton analogy and take the point that Dyche backed himself to channel Barton and presumably did the same with Drinkwater, it's hard to escape the conclusion that we've taken a bit of a gamble on a character who has some pretty major flaws. As has been pointed out this isn't his first alcohol related misdemeanour this year and you have to wonder if this caused his decline at Chelsea or was caused by his decline at Chelsea.

Of course this could present an opportunity for us. Realistically the only way we can afford to sign Drinkwater permanently is if no one else wants him, and the only way no one wants him is if he's been playing badly or his reputation precedes him. If Dyche can help him help himself, then hes still a fine player.

Either way, there was a thread over the summer about how on paper, Philip Billing was the sort of midfielder we might look at. There were some extremely pointed responses - including from folk now defending Drinkwater- to the effect that we wouldn't dream of looking at at characters who could upset the apple cart. In the light of Drinkwater's carry on that's now looking extremely suspect, particularly when Billing has been an ever present in a team which has just gone third in the league.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:48 am

Some people on here are worse than gossiping teenage girls.

Get a grip/life, just making assumptions based on your own warped views and taking it as gospel.

IWOODLOVETT · Post by **IWOODLOVETT** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:54 am

Danny Drinkwater, Joey Barton, Ben Stokes, Jeff Hendrick, John Terry, Duncan Ferguson, tough kids in a tough world caught up in troubles outside of their place of work.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:56 am

Grumps wrote:Dyche said it had all been dealt with, agreed. But, it had only been dealt with, on the facts known at the time. If Davenport didn't mention the butt, and the video wasn't available at that time, then this needs looking into by the club, did he lie to dyche? Did he hide the truth?. Would his punishment have been more, had the video been available at the time.
Not one single person on here knows what was, and wasn't said in that meeting, and let's not pretend otherwise

Hi Grumps, we are making the assumption that "the facts known at the time" are only the facts known on this board at the time. As I've posted previously, Sean Dyche has made his public statement and everything else is "kept inside the club." We would expect that Sean will have asked about all the facts. We would hope that DD is "a grown man" (or whatever Sean's phrase was) and that DD has provided the full facts to Sean in their discussions and that Sean is managing the situation with knowledge of and in full possession of all the facts. Of course, we can expect Sean will have further discussions if he now feels some facts weren't disclosed.

I would imagine there are "conduct" clauses and not bring the club into disrepute clauses in professional footballers contracts. Remembering that DD's contract is with Chelsea and Burnley hold a loan contract with his parent club, I would hope that appropriate provisions are included in the loan contract - and, most likely, that DD (and any other loan player) is subject to the same conduct clauses as if he was directly registered to Burnley.

We al watch football most weeks. We all know that footballers are employed because of their football skills. We all know that they are trained to have the strength to play the game. We all know that to be successful a desire and drive to compete and win is essential. Young males, highly paid, haven't we noticed that young males may go out to nightclubs, get drunk and get into fights - and not all of them are familiar with Queensbury rules?

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:00 am

There was talk of him being ready for the bench prior to this incident, hes a lucky boy he's not in front of a bench.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:09 am

btw and not aimed at any particular posters, I find it ironic that (almost - just in case I can't prove "every") every thread on here speaking of going to a game, whether home or away, and also many of the "holiday/travel advice tips" includes advice on where to go for a drink before a game and drinking plans after the game, maybe even "a good night out" is referenced. I also recall many mentions of bene.

What I'd not noticed before was how many fans we have who are working towards their "temperance society" membership. I've been a zero alcohol guy last few years for health reasons. Where do you guys meet up before away games? It might be fun to join you.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:14 am

What this amounts to is that we still haven't strengthened our midfield. How long has it been now and with Defour gone we are weak still in a key area.

mickleoverclaret · Post by **mickleoverclaret** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:35 am

Paul Waine wrote:btw and not aimed at any particular posters, I find it ironic that (almost - just in case I can't prove "every") every thread on here speaking of going to a game, whether home or away, and also many of the "holiday/travel advice tips" includes advice on where to go for a drink before a game and drinking plans after the game, maybe even "a good night out" is referenced. I also recall many mentions of bene.

What I'd not noticed before was how many fans we have who are working towards their "temperance society" membership. I've been a zero alcohol guy last few years for health reasons. Where do you guys meet up before away games? It might be fun to join you.

It is possible to have a beer before an away game and not attempt to drive home while over the limit or lay the nut on someone on a dancefloor. I've done it myself many times.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:47 am

Rileybobs wrote:Why would they sack someone they can probably sell for £20m?

Who the hell is going to pay 20 million for Drinkwater?

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:52 am

JohnDearyMe wrote:Any update on his fitness situation?

Back on the grass for a few weeks then he'll no doubt be touch and go till about January.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:56 am

claretspice wrote:Whilst I understand the Barton analogy and take the point that Dyche backed himself to channel Barton and presumably did the same with Drinkwater, it's hard to escape the conclusion that we've taken a bit of a gamble on a character who has some pretty major flaws. As has been pointed out this isn't his first alcohol related misdemeanour this year and you have to wonder if this caused his decline at Chelsea or was caused by his decline at Chelsea.

Of course this could present an opportunity for us. Realistically the only way we can afford to sign Drinkwater permanently is if no one else wants him, and the only way no one wants him is if he's been playing badly or his reputation precedes him. If Dyche can help him help himself, then hes still a fine player.

Either way, there was a thread over the summer about how on paper, Philip Billing was the sort of midfielder we might look at. There were some extremely pointed responses - including from folk now defending Drinkwater- to the effect that we wouldn't dream of looking at at characters who could upset the apple cart. In the light of Drinkwater's carry on that's now looking extremely suspect, particularly when Billing has been an ever present in a team which has just gone third in the league.

Was going to mention Billing myself. 15 million quid for someone who is better than our current starting midfielders seems like good value to me. But of course the official line is the players just aren't out there, and worse is that lots of our fans swallow it.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:03 am

jrgbfc wrote:Who the hell is going to pay 20 million for Drinkwater?

I suspect that at some point someone will.

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:06 am

It's a week since Dyche gave this player his backing. The latest disclosure ,whether Dyche knew about it or not, may leave the club with no option other than negotiate with Chelsea to take him back.
I don't understand the support the player is receiving now from some posters .

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:18 am

Elizabeth wrote:It's a week since Dyche gave this player his backing. The latest disclosure ,whether Dyche knew about it or not, may leave the club with no option other than negotiate with Chelsea to take him back.
I don't understand the support the player is receiving now from some posters .

It's just blind loyalty because he's a Burnley player for now.

Once he goes back, attitudes will change.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:25 am

Elizabeth wrote:It's a week since Dyche gave this player his backing. The latest disclosure ,whether Dyche knew about it or not, may leave the club with no option other than negotiate with Chelsea to take him back.
I don't understand the support the player is receiving now from some posters .

Don't worry if Drinkwater played for another club the same people defending him would be calling him all the names under the sun. Plus they don't want to admit that we've had another summer where Dyche and the Board have failed to adequately strengthen our team.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:32 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:It's just blind loyalty because he's a Burnley player for now.

Once he goes back, attitudes will change.

1. It's not blind loyalty - and I don't think anyone is supporting what he's actually done
2. It's perhaps supporting one of our players who needs it
3. It's not jumping on a pathetic bandwagon