Marco Silva

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:49 pm

Marco Silva: Everton boss looks set to remain in charge for trip to Leicester

By Phil McNultyChief football writer

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:06 pm

FactualFrank wrote:It might be why he's still in a job. I doubt they want to bring in a new manager who then goes on to lose 6-7 on the bounce.

Exactly what Frank said. They’d be mad to expose a new manager to that run of games and expect the fans to get on board. Best to let Silva try and get something/anything from those games

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:35 pm

IanMcL wrote:Marco Silva: Everton boss looks set to remain in charge for trip to Leicester

By Phil McNultyChief football writer

He’ll be out of a job by full time then.

Leicester will roast Everton.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:38 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Exactly what Frank said. They’d be mad to expose a new manager to that run of games and expect the fans to get on board. Best to let Silva try and get something/anything from those games

I agree with the first part of that but not the second. If they want to get rid, do it now. Promote a coach to caretaker and get the new man in after that run of games

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:06 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Won the second league in Portugal with the mighty Estoril then took them to 5th in the top division and qualified for Europe

Won the Portuguese equivalent of the FA Cup with Sporting

Won the Greek Super League whilst bettering any start to a season by any European club in the 21st Century

Had a decent record at Hull given the circumstances, had a great record at Watford up until the Everton approach and fall out where things then went sour.

Had a decent win rate last year but whether he'll fully succeed at Everton this season is doubtful but his track record up to this season as a manager is nevertheless impressive.

When Dyche finally gets a bigger club than Burnley with a bigger budget and more expectation we'll see how he fares and whether his unbelievable success at Burnley is just a one off

Whether he'll FULLY succeed at Everton. Are we serious here?

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:09 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Lots of people don't seem to realise there is a whole world of football outside the Premiership.

Perhaps that's because we don't all follow Estoril. What has he done here that has made him so precious which is where he is now? I know what Sean Dyche has done and I am impressed.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:39 pm

ClaretEngineer wrote:He’ll be out of a job by full time then.

Leicester will roast Everton.

I expect you are correct. This is just a process of sorting the new man, behind the scenes, ready for a swift change.

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:17 pm

Say they approached Dyche, does he have two years left so is that a £7m release clause?

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 5:18 am

Giftonsnoidea wrote:Say they approached Dyche, does he have two years left so is that a £7m release clause?

A release clause is a clause signed in a contract irrespective of wage or length of contract. Typically managers don't have release clauses, but instead when they are poached from another club whist under contract the approaching club has to agree with the current club a "compensation" fee which can loosely be based on remaining contract and wage.

So unless it's different with Dyche and somehow Mike Garlick has locked Dyche to a set release clause then we will basically be forced to let him go for measly compensation.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:46 am

Stayingup wrote:Whether he'll FULLY succeed at Everton. Are we serious here?

Feel free to pull me up on any bit of my post that iswrong. The bit you quoted was me making the point that despite having a ver good career to date and a decent first season with Everton that it was no gaurentee he wouldn't fail this season like he has done

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:31 am

I love the fascination with Silva on here, a lot of people wanting him to fail because I once said he’d be a good Dyche replacement. It’s good to know many on here still obsess over me despite me not posting much anymore.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:38 am

KRBFC wrote:I love the fascination with Silva on here, a lot of people wanting him to fail because I once said he’d be a good Dyche replacement. It’s good to know many on here still obsess over me despite me not posting much anymore.

Aye - it’s all about you KRBFC. That’s the only reason why people want him to fail.
Do you even read the board anymore ? You are the forgotten man - it’s like you never existed.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:48 am

KRBFC wrote:I love the fascination with Silva on here, a lot of people wanting him to fail because I once said he’d be a good Dyche replacement. It’s good to know many on here still obsess over me despite me not posting much anymore.

It only took two and a half years for you to stick to your word.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:48 am

KRBFC wrote:I love the fascination with Silva on here, a lot of people wanting him to fail because I once said he’d be a good Dyche replacement. It’s good to know many on here still obsess over me despite me not posting much anymore.

The only reasons anyone would want him to fail are his failing resulting in a club in our division consequently failing or because it provides evidence for those have questioned his ability.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:06 pm

KRBFC wrote:I love the fascination with Silva on here, a lot of people wanting him to fail because I once said he’d be a good Dyche replacement. It’s good to know many on here still obsess over me despite me not posting much anymore.

A defeat or two should change that.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:15 pm

TVC15 wrote:Aye - it’s all about you KRBFC. That’s the only reason why people want him to fail.
Do you even read the board anymore ? You are the forgotten man - it’s like you never existed.

Couple of wins on bounce always have that affect.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:08 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:Say they approached Dyche, does he have two years left so is that a £7m release clause?

Dyche may have insisted on certain conditions in his contact. Such as we won't stand in his way if a better offer comes along.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:09 pm

TVC15 wrote:Aye - it’s all about you KRBFC. That’s the only reason why people want him to fail.
Do you even read the board anymore ? You are the forgotten man - it’s like you never existed.

I read from time to time, Iv become sick of the same old lack of ambition in the transfer market and lost interest. I think replacing Vokes with Crouch was the final nail which is strange given I still watch every week, something is just missing for me, I don’t feel the same excitement as I used to.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pm

KRBFC wrote:I read from time to time, Iv become sick of the same old lack of ambition in the transfer market and lost interest. I think replacing Vokes with Crouch was the final nail which is strange given I still watch every week, something is just missing for me, I don’t feel the same excitement as I used to.

Oh well that’s your prerogative.
Personally I’m rather happy that we have just had our third 3-0 victory in the premier league - the first time this has happened and it’s still only November.
I thought selling Vokes was a silly risk - but we got away with it and our form from January was great as was watching the likes of McNeil and Taylor.

Your expectations seem far higher than they should be. It probably means you are going to be in for many years of disappointment....but as said you are entitled to them.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:47 pm

TVC15 wrote:Oh well that’s your prerogative.
Personally I’m rather happy that we have just had our third 3-0 victory in the premier league - the first time this has happened and it’s still only November.
I thought selling Vokes was a silly risk - but we got away with it and our form from January was great as was watching the likes of McNeil and Taylor.

Your expectations seem far higher than they should be. It probably means you are going to be in for many years of disappointment....but as said you are entitled to them.

I can never fault the Dyche results, magical things he’s done for us. I don’t know exactly what is missing, possibly I don’t like the way football in general has gone in the last few years.
- hate VAR, nonsense and appears like something introduced to favour the big sides.

- miss the Keane V Vieira passion

- the media obsession over the “big 6” no matter how gash they are

- almost become a non contact sport, the Tarkowski booking against Watford being a prime example, does anyone know why he was booked? An absolute top class sliding tackle, he gets booked and a free kick awarded on the edge of the box, just comedy.

- The buying power at the top of the game, it’s way more evident now than it ever has been since I started watching football.

Basically, I want to see a fiery local derby with real passion and not a whistle happy referee wanting to be centre of attention.

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:02 pm

KRBFC wrote:- almost become a non contact sport, the Tarkowski booking against Watford being a prime example, does anyone know why he was booked? An absolute top class sliding tackle, he gets booked and a free kick awarded on the edge of the box, just comedy.

Tarkowski was booked for taking out Deulofeu just before half time. A definite yellow card.

Bfc · Post by **Bfc** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:06 pm

KRBFC. So do you want us to get relegated or them down the road to be promoted, so you can see a local derby ?.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:16 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:Tarkowski was booked for taking out Deulofeu just before half time. A definite yellow card.

In these days it was, however, because the referee then deemed his fair tackle to be a foul, presumably for endangering an opponent, he should have received a second caution and been dismissed.

KRBFC is correct that the game is in danger of becoming a non-contact sport, thanks to the directives coming from FIFA.

Going back to the managerial merry-go round, I reckon that Silva will struggle to stay in post for much longer and nobody can prophesy who will take over. The football world is a crazy world.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:21 pm

Eddie Howe chocked at Burnley and had survived by spending shed loads of his owners cash
He will not leave Easy Street Bournemouth

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:33 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:In these days it was, however, because the referee then deemed his fair tackle to be a foul, presumably for endangering an opponent, he should have received a second caution and been dismissed.

KRBFC is correct that the game is in danger of becoming a non-contact sport, thanks to the directives coming from FIFA.

Going back to the managerial merry-go round, I reckon that Silva will struggle to stay in post for much longer and nobody can prophesy who will take over. The football world is a crazy world.

I was just confirming what Tarkowski got booked for...as it wasn't the 'fair' sliding tackle that KRBFC thought.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:34 pm

KRBFC wrote:I read from time to time, Iv become sick of the same old lack of ambition in the transfer market and lost interest. I think replacing Vokes with Crouch was the final nail which is strange given I still watch every week, something is just missing for me, I don’t feel the same excitement as I used to.

Then it was a signing for which everyone benefited

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:54 pm

Everton face a fight from West Ham to secure David Moyes as their next manager. (Mirror)

There's turn up!

One minute he has the plague, the next he has 2 potential prem jobs, according to a tabloid!

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:15 pm

superdimitri wrote:A release clause is a clause signed in a contract irrespective of wage or length of contract. Typically managers don't have release clauses, but instead when they are poached from another club whist under contract the approaching club has to agree with the current club a "compensation" fee which can loosely be based on remaining contract and wage.

So unless it's different with Dyche and somehow Mike Garlick has locked Dyche to a set release clause then we will basically be forced to let him go for measly compensation.

Not sure what Everton want but i guess its attractive football and success (winning a cup etc), Silva seems a busted flush now with no successful cv in England.

I looked, Dyche is in contract till 2022 so that means £10m contract which i bet Garlick will be wanting back if someone comes in for him.
If he can improve the style of his football then he'll become more attractive to teams like Everton.

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:32 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:Not sure what Everton want but i guess its attractive football and success (winning a cup etc), Silva seems a busted flush now with no successful cv in England.

I looked, Dyche is in contract till 2022 so that means £10m contract which i bet Garlick will be wanting back if someone comes in for him.
If he can improve the style of his football then he'll become more attractive to teams like Everton.

Any savvy chairman would work out that the style of play Dyche adopts is practical, based on the tools at his disposal. Based on ability, how many Burnley players make it into the Everton 11. Not many. Dyche isn't a long ball manager, he's a manager who knows how to win the most games possible given the players he has to put on the pitch. And we don't get nearly enough recognition for the passages of play that are "good football". He's all about effecting the game, if he had top players he'd do that in a different way more often. But even the top teams like Liverpool go direct, it's just the accuracy is more often than not better. No one blinks an eye at a 40 yard pass if a forward in the channel gets onto it.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:38 am

Jakubs Tash wrote:Tarkowski was booked for taking out Deulofeu just before half time. A definite yellow card.

I was talking about the sliding tackle on the edge of the box in the 2nd half, clean as a whistle, luckily Doucoure skied the free kick. My mistake If Tark didn’t get booked for that, I think it was actually Westwood who got booked for complaining.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:39 am

Bfc wrote:KRBFC. So do you want us to get relegated or them down the road to be promoted, so you can see a local derby ?.

Neither, I was just talking about the type of football I want to see, fiery passionate and allowed to flow.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:50 am

still not sacked... how long will he last...?

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:46 am

It’s like a slow, laborious death rather than a lethal injection that’s for sure....

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:37 am

As someone mentioned previously, Everton have an absolutely awful run of fixtures coming up, starting with last night's, so a sensible board wouldn't sack and appoint just yet as there is unlikely to be any new manager "bounce" (Even with Fat Sam!!

)

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:42 am

Ok I’m gonna stick my neck out and say that Silva won’t last much longer at Everton.

I think they might actually go ahead and sack him

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:46 am

Horse face may have perfected his 'Indian Rope Trick' by Christmas and, he could be free.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:47 am

Very overrated, I noticed last night as he subbed a player,as he walked off he never even acknowledged the player and looked straight ahead,surprised he ever got the Everton job in the first place,talk of Moyes going back there,they never learn Everton do they?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:03 pm

Steve1956 wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:47 am
Very overrated, I noticed last night as he subbed a player,as he walked off he never even acknowledged the player and looked straight ahead,surprised he ever got the Everton job in the first place,talk of Moyes going back there,they never learn Everton do they?

TBF Steve I think moyes could be the answer ... Silva looked traumatised last night.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:23 pm

Dark Cloud wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:37 am
As someone mentioned previously, Everton have an absolutely awful run of fixtures coming up, starting with last night's, so a sensible board wouldn't sack and appoint just yet as there is unlikely to be any new manager "bounce" (Even with Fat Sam!! )

Their run of fixtures is dire Chelsea (H) Man Utd (a) Leicester (H) EFL QF Arsenal (H),following those games they have Burnley at Goodison on Boxing Day,and Newcastle away 2 days later,however how long can they wait before making the change,if they dither too long it gives any incoming manager less time to turn the sinking ship around.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:52 pm

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:23 pm
Their run of fixtures is dire Chelsea (H) Man Utd (a) Leicester (H) EFL QF Arsenal (H),following those games they have Burnley at Goodison on Boxing Day,and Newcastle away 2 days later,however how long can they wait before making the change,if they dither too long it gives any incoming manager less time to turn the sinking ship around.

Absolutely, but any manager appointed now will struggle to get a "lift" and the gloss will pretty soon wear off. You watch,they'll sack and appoint Christmas Day, just in time to receive Burnley and win 4-0 as they turn their season round!!

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:53 pm

tim_noone wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:03 pm
TBF Steve I think moyes could be the answer ... Silva looked traumatised last night.

One word Timbob...."Sunderland"

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:25 pm

Looks like a clown has fallen off his bike! can’t see Silva getting another prem job. Shame really as the football they were playing end of last of last season was really good, he’s completely lost the plot this season.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:49 pm

Rowls wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:42 am
Ok I’m gonna stick my neck out and say that Silva won’t last much longer at Everton.

I think they might actually go ahead and sack him

Mystic Meg's got nothing on you mate.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:42 am

I called it.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:49 am

He's had nearly as many clubs as the special one now, but I bet he isn't as rich off them.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:06 am

Dark Cloud wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:37 am
As someone mentioned previously, Everton have an absolutely awful run of fixtures coming up, starting with last night's, so a sensible board wouldn't sack and appoint just yet as there is unlikely to be any new manager "bounce" (Even with Fat Sam!! )

Twas me, but the other side of the coin is they could have a caretaker manager for this run of games to take their time of the new replacement - might not be the case though if Moyes is in demand, they may need to act quickly.