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Westwood and Cork

Post by Jakubs Tash » Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:20 pm

Would be interested to know their running stats/ground covered yesterday. Both were incredible and showed unbelievable energy and desire for the whole game. They completely bossed the midfield and Norwich couldn't handle their aggressive, physical play and pressing.

Do we need more quality and depth in central midfield? Yes, we do. But now isn't the time to debate this but to applaud the part they both played in yesterday's victory and the unconditional effort they put in.

Well played, lads!
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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:22 pm

Spot on about work rate and desire. I’ll not nitpick about decision making.

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:26 pm

Both top lads and fit into SD team ethic

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by RVclaret » Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:45 pm

As poor as they were last week they were as good yesterday.

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by Stalbansclaret » Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:55 pm

They were both absolutely outstanding. DIdn't stop the bloke behind me keeping up his usual brainless criticism of Cork but without doubt they were top class yesterday. We just blew Norwich away in that first 20 minutes and I thought Norwich's inability to change the way they were playing was ridiculous.

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:02 pm

This Cork is a very different Cork to the one we saw for the most part of last season

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:14 pm

Consistency is key.

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by Siddo » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:47 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:Spot on about work rate and desire. I’ll not nitpick about decision making.
Go on, lets hear what you want to nitpick about.

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by theroyaldyche » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:58 pm

I didnt think cork played as well as the consistant westwood.

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:59 pm

Siddo wrote:Go on, lets hear what you want to nitpick about.
Nah, don’t want to take away from a solid performance.

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by Bosscat » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:16 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:Nah, don’t want to take away from a solid performance.
No nits to pick on yesterday ;)

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:32 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:This Cork is a very different Cork to the one we saw for the most part of last season
About to post same. Much better.

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by Stayingup » Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:56 am

Vegas Claret wrote:This Cork is a very different Cork to the one we saw for the most part of last season
Maybe because Drinkwater came in. Hes bound to get match fit at some time I suppose and will be pushing to play.

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:01 am

Its still early days, but the difference between this time last year and now is pretty stark on performance levels.

We don't look like we will be in any trouble if we play like that, and with players still coming back thats a massive positive.

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by JTClaret » Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:26 am

I really didn't rate Cork yesterday.
He jogged along with the whole game, but rarely did anything of note, defensively or in an attacking sense.

I was disappointed he never looked to press, although would try and put a tackle in if a Norwich player run towards him.
He didn't look to make an incisive pass, although he did keep possession with short or backwards ones.

I watched him for a while and found it strange how he keeps up with play but didn't look to affect it... basically like a referee.

I wanted him to prove my thought wrong, but I felt like he was a passenger - If anybody can tell me what I'm not seeing, or why what I am seeing is what is needed for the team, please do tell me.

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by houseboy » Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:33 am

With the team playing like this what happens when JBG is back? Who is losing out - if anyone? Imagine us playing so well that we have a player like him sat on the bench - now that would be interesting.

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by houseboy » Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:34 am

JTClaret wrote:I really didn't rate Cork yesterday.
He jogged along with the whole game, but rarely did anything of note, defensively or in an attacking sense.

I was disappointed he never looked to press, although would try and put a tackle in if a Norwich player run towards him.
He didn't look to make an incisive pass, although he did keep possession with short or backwards ones.

I watched him for a while and found it strange how he keeps up with play but didn't look to affect it... basically like a referee.

I wanted him to prove my thought wrong, but I felt like he was a passenger - If anybody can tell me what I'm not seeing, or why what I am seeing is what is needed for the team, please do tell me.
I could be wrong but didn't someone on MOTD describe him as 'the beating heart of Burnley's midfield'?

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by Darnhill Claret » Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:43 am

I think that part of Jack’s responsibility is to make sure that we are keeping our shape from his viewpoint and to slot into the correct space if he drifts out of sync at any time. I think Ben does similar when we have lost possession from his viewpoint. That is only a guess but I’m not in the best position to see that. One for a fan in the Jimmy Mac or CFS to observe. I’m in the Bob Lord and only 2 rows back.
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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by Blackrod » Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:19 pm

Thought Westwood was far the better player of the two.

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by JTClaret » Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:23 pm

houseboy wrote:I could be wrong but didn't someone on MOTD describe him as 'the beating heart of Burnley's midfield'?
Yes!! Which is why I'm sure I must be missing more than he just jogs along with play.

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by JTClaret » Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:26 pm

Darnhill Claret wrote:I think that part of Jack’s responsibility is to make sure that we are keeping our shape from his viewpoint and to slot into the correct space if he drifts out of sync at any time. I think Ben does similar when we have lost possession from his viewpoint. That is only a guess but I’m not in the best position to see that. One for a fan in the Jimmy Mac or CFS to observe. I’m in the Bob Lord and only 2 rows back.
I'm at the top of the Jimmy Mac. I know sometimes the ball drops to Cork because of where he positions himself - I think that is what I found frustrating, his positioning is great, I just feel he doesn't use it as much as he should... and if he did, he'd be unbelievable
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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by houseboy » Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:35 pm

JTClaret wrote:Yes!! Which is why I'm sure I must be missing more than he just jogs along with play.
To be sure he has been a bit of an enigma. He was pretty poor last season but then the season before he was unbelievable. He lacks consistency but I think generally he is fine. Could we have better? Yes for sure, but at the moment I don't know who we would drop him for or even, especially after Saturday, he even deserves that.

PS: I notice the Hendrick knockers have gone a little silent of late.

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by Jakubs Tash » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:16 pm

Quite harsh to suggest "He jogged along with the whole game, but rarely did anything of note, defensively or in an attacking sense", in my opinion.

I like Cork but I am also a big advocate for pushing on and getting better quality - particularly in centre mid. However, he worked his socks off on Saturday! His job is to screen the back 4 whereas Westwood presses a little more (if they both pressed at the same time we'd be screwed). Cork covered every blade of grass on Saturday, got good blocks/tackles in, pressed well (see the 2nd goal) brought calm to the midfield in possession when needed and generally ensured we bossed the game. I think you're being a little over-critical....
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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by Hibsclaret » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:29 pm

I think Westwood will be highly motivated at the weekend. Think we’ll see the proverbial 110% from him against Villa.

Cork and him have been working well as a partnership all season

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by JTClaret » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:41 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:Quite harsh to suggest "He jogged along with the whole game, but rarely did anything of note, defensively or in an attacking sense", in my opinion.

I like Cork but I am also a big advocate for pushing on and getting better quality - particularly in centre mid. However, he worked his socks off on Saturday! His job is to screen the back 4 whereas Westwood presses a little more (if they both pressed at the same time we'd be screwed). Cork covered every blade of grass on Saturday, got good blocks/tackles in, pressed well (see the 2nd goal) brought calm to the midfield in possession when needed and generally ensured we bossed the game. I think you're being a little over-critical....
I think fair points have been made about shape, and your point of screening the back four. I knew it was a harsh comment that I'd made, but that was the reason I felt the need to ask what I wasn't seeing - Perhaps an element of not seeing the wood for the trees.

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by Darnhill Claret » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:49 pm

We lose too many second balls that are loose in areas where we don’t have players, so keeping a shape, filling holes, is an absolute must.

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by summitclaret » Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:46 pm

houseboy wrote:To be sure he has been a bit of an enigma. He was pretty poor last season but then the season before he was unbelievable. He lacks consistency but I think generally he is fine. Could we have better? Yes for sure, but at the moment I don't know who we would drop him for or even, especially after Saturday, he even deserves that.

PS: I notice the Hendrick knockers have gone a little silent of late.
That's because he is playing in a position that suits him. The nr 10 role never did. That was not his fault. As things stand I hope he is offered a new deal with us.
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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by Jakubs Tash » Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:22 pm

JTClaret wrote:I think fair points have been made about shape, and your point of screening the back four. I knew it was a harsh comment that I'd made, but that was the reason I felt the need to ask what I wasn't seeing - Perhaps an element of not seeing the wood for the trees.
All about opinions and I completely agree that centre midfield is a position we need to improve. But, as per the opening post, we can only play with what we currently have and I thought Cork and Westwood were excellent on Saturday.

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by houseboy » Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:37 pm

summitclaret wrote:That's because he is playing in a position that suits him. The nr 10 role never did. That was not his fault. As things stand I hope he is offered a new deal with us.
Absolutely agree with this.

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by Jakubs Tash » Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:49 pm

Just seen this from the Premier League on Instagram.....


Furthest distance covered this season....

James Ward Prowse 69.8km
Ashley Westwood 67.3km
Phillip Billing 67.2km
Jack Cork 66.8km

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Re: Westwood and Cork

Post by jollyjack » Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:27 pm

Cork pressed well along with the rest of them in the first 20 minutes and was very effective.
2nd half he helped break up play when we were sitting back. Only criticism was me and the fella next to me starting watching him closely and agreed that he was up with play in most of our counter attacks and found the ball in dangerous positions but mostly slowed play to look for support or play back rather than driving/passing forward and looking for opportunities to increase our lead. Overall the midfield were not effective in looking for the third or fourth that I think was there for us if we'd been more positive on the counter attack

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