Parliament suspension illegal..

[Bfcboyo]

Only strengthens the Tory and Brexit party win at the next election.

If you think about it remainers that all you wonderfully educated people came out originally to stop this vote as you would have us believe.
And only a small percentage of the street urchins and Orks were able to drag themselves from squalor to get to a polling station then watch the squalor march forward to the next big vote.

Fantastic stuff.

[Lancasterclaret]

My comment was aimed at your 'its not an election winner'. This will played as people vs the establishment.

Yep, which is actually in my tweet.

All i'll say to that is that will play very well with some, and appallingly with others.

[AndyClaret]

It was Mogg who went to see the Queen, not Boris.

[Spijed]

Only strengthens the Tory and Brexit party win at the next election.

If you think about it remainers that all you wonderfully educated people came out originally to stop this vote as you would have us believe.
And only a small percentage of the street urchins and Orks were able to drag themselves from squalor to get to a polling station then watch the squalor march forward to the next big vote.

Fantastic stuff.

Have a look at how Canterbury voted at the last election:

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[Imploding Turtle]

Absolute ********.

MPs have overturned our decision as people to leave the EU. Used every dirty trick possible in which to do so.

Cry more you little bitch!

[AndrewJB]

Only strengthens the Tory and Brexit party win at the next election.

If you think about it remainers that all you wonderfully educated people came out originally to stop this vote as you would have us believe.
And only a small percentage of the street urchins and Orks were able to drag themselves from squalor to get to a polling station then watch the squalor march forward to the next big vote.

Fantastic stuff.

I have my doubts that Johnson will still be leader of the Tories at the next election. He might be put through a number of wringers when parliament returns - forced to reveal the conversations that led to the prorogation, and possibly forced to account for things he did while mayor. By the time MPs are finished with him, his party might decide he's no longer fit to lead them.

And this all comes down to his decision to roll the dice, and go for broke. What leader would through away his majority in parliament by "sacking" twenty-one MPs from his government? Just a couple of months ago, this would be a kind of academic question to illustrate how parliament works, but now it'll get into pub quizzes twenty years hence.

[conyoviejo]

Cry more you little bitch!

..Now now Charlie ..settle down..

[martin_p]

Yougov poll has 49% agreeing with the Supreme Court decision 30% disagreeing.

[Imploding Turtle]

Yougov poll has 49% agreeing with the Supreme Court decision 30% disagreeing.

Correction: 30% don't care about the laws being followed. They're **** who want to throw out everything democratic and judicial because of how much they hate foreigners.

[Firthy]

Don't worry all will be well now. Labour have declined a general election but volunteered to form a coalition government and sit on the fence over Brexit. Hopefully they'll all fall off and break their necks.

[FactualFrank]

Don't worry all will be well now. Labour have declined a general election but volunteered to form a coalition government and sit on the fence over Brexit. Hopefully they'll all fall off and break their necks.

Corbyn knows he'd fail big time as a PM, yet doesn't want anybody else to be PM.

[FactualFrank]

Corbyn now... oh dear.

[nil_desperandum]

Vote of no confidence which is what Boris wanted.

Then; General Election, which is what Boris asked for.

Parliament is unknowingly in the checkmate position that Boris wanted.

All he has to do is not resign

Or far more likely given today's ruling MPs will bring Johnson down and we'll get an interim PM leading an anti-no deal coalition.
Looking like an extension and 2nd referendum is a strong
a possibility now.

[mkmel]

In the last two and a half years or however long it has been of Brexit this is the first bit of good or some might say excellent news that we have had

[fidelcastro]

Corbyn now... oh dear.

Yeah, advocating the scrapping of prescription charges, private schools and OFSTED... as well as saying the rich will pay more in tax and that Boris should resign!

How terrible! No one will agree with those policies!

[martin_p]

Yeah, advocating the scrapping of prescription charges, private schools and OFSTED... as well as saying the rich will pay more in tax and that Boris should resign!

How terrible! No one will agree with those policies!

If he led the party of the people he’d be promising tax cuts for 40% tax payers and corporations!

[Murger]

Correction: 30% don't care about the laws being followed. They're **** who want to throw out everything democratic and judicial because of how much they hate foreigners.

TurtleHead talking **** again. Any proof that all leavers are racist, or you just trolling?

[Imploding Turtle]

TurtleHead talking **** again. Any proof that all leavers are racist, or you just trolling?

30% is "all Leavers" now, is it? Great. That means 70% of us aren't Leavers and so the Will of the People is to Remain.

[Grumps]

Or far more likely given today's ruling MPs will bring Johnson down and we'll get an interim PM leading an anti-no deal coalition.
Looking like an extension and 2nd referendum is a strong
a possibility now.

Apart from the fact Boris took the best legal advice he could, the attorney General, who advised what he was doing was legal.

[mkmel]

If any of us break the law we get some sort of punishment

So if Johnson has broken the law in some way what punishment will he be getting?

[Devils_Advocate]

Apart from the fact Boris took the best legal advice he could, the attorney General, who advised what he was doing was legal.

What a naive fool you are

[FactualFrank]

Yeah, advocating the scrapping of prescription charges, private schools and OFSTED... as well as saying the rich will pay more in tax and that Boris should resign!

How terrible! No one will agree with those policies!

You're an easy to fool person - I get it.

I think the more intelligent among us know he's saying what people want to hear.

And I'm not even a Boris fan, but Jezabel certainly isn't anything better.

[Grumps]

What a naive fool you are

Check the news, the attorney General agrees the advice was given.
Poor form to revert to childish insults just because you don't like what is being said

[thatdberight]

If any of us break the law we get some sort of punishment

So if Johnson has broken the law in some way what punishment will he be getting?

Which law did he break?

[mkmel]

The Supreme Court did say what Johnson did was unlawful

[thatdberight]

I did say IF

I did ask WHICH?

[Devils_Advocate]

Check the news, the attorney General agrees the advice was given.
Poor form to revert to childish insults just because you don't like what is being said

I've seen the news and if you think Johnson and co relied and acted because of his advice then you need to look up the words fool and scapegoat

As I said naive

[mkmel]

Illegal and unlawful

And as good as damnit Johnson lied to the Queen.....

[thatdberight]

Illegal and unlawful

Elephant and kerbstone.

While we're listing words that mean different things. Thought I'd join in.

[mkmel]

Quite simply, “breaking” the law means to act contrary to the law, if something is illegal, it is contrary to the law. ... The “law” is not one single rule, it is a whole body of rules which either prohibit or restrict us from doing certain things, or which make certain other things mandatory.6 Aug 2017

[mkmel]

My turn....

Read and learn

[timshorts]

What a naive fool you are

I thought all those laughing faces were because he'd said "the best legal advice you can get, the attorney general". Now I'm not sure which was the most naive part.

[Devils_Advocate]

I thought all those laughing faces were because he'd said "the best legal advice you can get, the attorney general". Now I'm not sure which was the most naive part.

Its a fair cop

[summitclaret]

If any of us break the law we get some sort of punishment

So if Johnson has broken the law in some way what punishment will he be getting?

Are you sure he has broken a law rather than be found to have acted illegally in an unclear circumstances on the advice of the Government's senior lawyer?

[CardyTheClaret]

MPs are actually protecting democracy.

Find that hard to follow.
People vote 52% 48% to leave EU.May not like it but that is what happened
Negotiations with EU with one arm tied behind our backs as we say we don't want to leave without a deal.
Negotiated deal turned down three times
Multiple attempts by MPs' to get a consensus of what to do fail
Belatedly we try to negotiate properly by leaving no deal on the table and MPs block it
After 3.5 years of getting nowhere Boris shuts down Parliament by 5 weeks but reality is far less than that due to Party conferences and 11 likely Pro EU but unbiased judges tell him he is not allowed to do it that way as it is stifling Parliament's ability to debate and ask questions of the PM and Ministers.
And in the midst of a Government that has no majority the opposition refuse to settle for dissolution and a General Election.
So we have a totally inept Tory and Labour lot and the bastions of democracy the Liberal Democrats now aka Liberal Non-democrats will simply ignore the 2016 referendum result and revoke Article 50 if they get into power.
Pity the Army is so short of staff we can't have a brief coup and lock up 650 men and women and start again
And for me the worst thing of all is that Boris thought he would get away with shutting Parliament down

This is all on top of a clueless **** of a PM calling a referendum asking a question that most people on the street didn’t really give a **** about, which since has turned everybody in the country into being an ‘expert’ on something that they now have to give a **** about which then has everybody at each other’s throats for no reason at all.

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

Absolute ********.

MPs have overturned our decision as people to leave the EU. Used every dirty trick possible in which to do so.

Actaully, if you read the news you'll see Leave has tried every dirty trick possible, including lying to the people and then lying to the Queen.

People who still support Leaving the EU after all this illegal Tory ridiculousness should have their British Passports taken off them, they are traitors to democracy and their country.

[thatdberight]

My turn....

Read and learn

You really should. Try the first and maybe you'll make some progress in the second.

You still haven't answered my original question preferring to turn it into a ******* match.

[thatdberight]

Are you sure he has broken a law rather than be found to have acted illegally in an unclear circumstances on the advice of the Government's senior lawyer?

As it relates to today's proceedings, unlawfully. Not illegally.

[timshorts]

Yougov poll has 49% agreeing with the Supreme Court decision 30% disagreeing.

I'm not really sure how useful that poll is. I'm assuming it might be made up of, say, 2% agreeing with the decision having read the judgement, the other 98% not having read it and just being told what somebody else thinks it said, or not wanting to read it because there isn't even a dissenting judgement to make them feel better.

[paulatky]

As it relates to today's proceedings, unlawfully. Not illegally.

Thatdberight is right.

No law has been broken so it cant be illegal.

[AndrewJB]

I'm not really sure how useful that poll is. I'm assuming it might be made up of, say, 2% agreeing with the decision having read the judgement, the other 98% not having read it and just being told what somebody else thinks it said, or not wanting to read it because there isn't even a dissenting judgement to make them feel better.

A lot of disagreements with the judgement I’ve seen on social media have been based on constitutional concepts that don’t exist in law. I don’t see how the judges could have found for the government on this, because governments would use it to get to it of difficulties in the future, and democracy would suffer.

[mkmel]

I thought I read somewhere that what Johnson did was illegal but if I misread that then I was wrong in what I said

No matter what was said Johnson appears to be in deep shite now

[thatdberight]

I'm not really sure how useful that poll is. I'm assuming it might be made up of, say, 2% agreeing with the decision having read the judgement, the other 98% not having read it and just being told what somebody else thinks it said, or not wanting to read it because there isn't even a dissenting judgement to make them feel better.

I'm sure how useful it is. F all use. Highest court we have has spoken so that's it.

Although I would laugh if the government appealed to the ECJ..

[fidelcastro]

You're an easy to fool person - I get it.

I think the more intelligent among us know he's saying what people want to hear.

And I'm not even a Boris fan, but Jezabel certainly isn't anything better.

Firstly, I'm not easy to fool, Mr fictional frank muchacho

Secondly, what do you expect the leader of the opposition to say? I suspect that whatever he said, it would never satisfy someone like you.

You say he's saying what people want to hear, but I would suggest that applies far more to Boris, who is still claiming that we'll leave on October 31st, despite the fact that 'no deal' is now off the table.

Out of interest, which of Corbyn's policies that I've outlined, do you disagree with and why?

[Goalposts]

they said the length of the perogation was illegal..
otherwise every previous perogation was illegal.. this is because in theory there is no time limit to perogation which is obviously totally unacceptable.
imagine a pm paroging parliament for two years...no written element exists as to the length of perogation..it was always a gentlemanly understanding.

in theory boris can parogue parliament with a justification that satisfies the supreme court.. this therefore puts legals over the executive and potentially creates a precedent...they have actually created a law today that was never previously considered.

the big issue is that they have cited no good reason for the length of perogation..there in is the issue..NO GOOD REASON..

i defy anyone to say that that phrase is entirely subjective and nearly impossible to define going forward

[icu81b4]

People who still support Leaving the EU after all this illegal Tory ridiculousness should have their British Passports taken off them, they are traitors to democracy and their country.

Good cast...

[Rileybobs]

Good cast...

He’s right. People who still support leave are worse than ISIS.

[keith1879]

He’s right. People who still support leave are worse than ISIS.

They are literally the devil himself (ves).....probably.

[Spijed]

He’s right. People who still support leave are worse than ISIS.

ISIS? What have the Oxford men's reserve crew done wrong?

[timshorts]

they said the length of the perogation was illegal..
otherwise every previous perogation was illegal.. this is because in theory there is no time limit to perogation which is obviously totally unacceptable.
imagine a pm paroging parliament for two years...no written element exists as to the length of perogation..it was always a gentlemanly understanding.

in theory boris can parogue parliament with a justification that satisfies the supreme court.. this therefore puts legals over the executive and potentially creates a precedent...they have actually created a law today that was never previously considered.

the big issue is that they have cited no good reason for the length of perogation..there in is the issue..NO GOOD REASON..

i defy anyone to say that that phrase is entirely subjective and nearly impossible to define going forward

May I suggest that you read the statement of the right honourable John Major, submitted as an intervenor to the supreme Court.

It is not only highly critical of johnson's actions, but summarises:-
a) his failure to deny that the prorogation was made with even a partial intention to frustrate parliamentary scrutiny. He managed to avoid giving evidence to a committee which was seeking clarity on those issues by taking his ball home with him.
b) a failure to produce any documentation which denied that this was the case and perhaps more telling
c) an apparent inability to get ANY civil servant involved with the process to make a statement of truth to support this fiction that the lengthy prorogation period was primarily to "prepare a queen's speech".

So, what we have is a pm not denying that the prorogation was for a bad reason yet failing to provide evidence that it was brought for a good reason.

You'd have thought that even he could have come up with some credible alternative - impending party conferences, maybe.

Lucky John major isn't still an MP. He would no doubt have had the whip removed......