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The New Labour Leader
Apparently a two horse race between Rebecca Long Bailey and Laura Pidcock. God help us!
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Nag, nag.
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Rebecca Wrong Daily
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It'll be a re-run of when Corbyn got it - the Momentum stooge will win.
Talent and compentency are not necessary with Momentum backing.
Talent and compentency are not necessary with Momentum backing.
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Well, I never would have thought that!
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Since when was there a vacancy?
Am I missing something?
Am I missing something?
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The vacancy is between Jeremy Corbyn's ears.nil_desperandum wrote:Since when was there a vacancy?
Am I missing something?
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Remind me how well things are going for Boris at the moment.Rowls wrote:The vacancy is between Jeremy Corbyn's ears.
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Seems to have a 12 point lead over Labour at present,( Observer poll, today ), and personal approval ratings far better than Mr Corbyn's ....fidelcastro wrote:Remind me how well things are going for Boris at the moment.
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You know things are bad when people want to focus on the leader of the opposition, rather than the man in 10 Downing Street... or at least you do, if you're a Tory.Darthlaw wrote:Whataboutery alert.
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That’s kind of the subject of the thread, though. What were you expecting it to be about, or are you suggesting Boris Johnson could be the new Labour leader?
More importantly, a strong opposition is better for the country. With JC in charge of the opposition, it’s anything but.
More importantly, a strong opposition is better for the country. With JC in charge of the opposition, it’s anything but.
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Of course he does! Because he's said exactly what rabid Brexiters want to hear, in that we'll leave on October 31st "do or die".Clarets4me wrote:Seems to have a 12 point lead over Labour at present,( Observer poll, today ), and personal approval ratings far better than Mr Corbyn's ....
The trouble is, the law isn't on his side and neither is a majority in Parliament.
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It's rather odd that people are speculating on the leadership of the Labour Party when there isn't even a vacancy.Darthlaw wrote:That’s kind of the subject of the thread, though. What were you expecting it to be about, or are you suggesting Boris Johnson could be the new Labour leader?
More importantly, a strong opposition is better for the country. With JC in charge of the opposition, it’s anything but.
It'd be a bit like me starting a thread on who the next Burnley manager is going to be. Utterly pointless!
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How many elections will Corbyn lose before he gives his job up?
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Laura Pidcock is quite fit, for a Geordie lass.
Whatever our politics, one thing we can all surely agree on is that all Tories are absolutely and utterly minging to look at; seriously, seriously ugly.
Whatever our politics, one thing we can all surely agree on is that all Tories are absolutely and utterly minging to look at; seriously, seriously ugly.
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Disagree. Penny Mordaunt, for a start.
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How dare you!ksrclaret wrote:Laura Pidcock is quite fit, for a Geordie lass.
Whatever our politics, one thing we can all surely agree on is that all Tories are absolutely and utterly minging to look at; seriously, seriously ugly.
Nicky Morgan is gorgeous!
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You say corbyn but how many votes will johnson lose in parliament before he gives up his job??? He hasnt won one in seven!!!
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There's more likely to be a new Tory leader before there's a new Labour leader.
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Or it could be that the majority of people regard Corbyn as unsuitable to be our Prime Minister ...fidelcastro wrote:Of course he does! Because he's said exactly what rabid Brexiters want to hear, in that we'll leave on October 31st "do or die".
The trouble is, the law isn't on his side and neither is a majority in Parliament.
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if labour and corbyn especially had any real conviction to boot the tories out corbyn would fall on his sword and they'd elect a more centrist leader.
alas, this will not happen and johnson will get a majority in the impending election.
never have i been so depressed at the state of politics, not just domestically but worldwide.
johnson or corbyn. sweet baby jesus and the orphans!
alas, this will not happen and johnson will get a majority in the impending election.
never have i been so depressed at the state of politics, not just domestically but worldwide.
johnson or corbyn. sweet baby jesus and the orphans!
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I hear that a lot, but I can't see a single policy of his that is especially controversial.Clarets4me wrote:Or it could be that the majority of people regard Corbyn as unsuitable to be our Prime Minister ...
The only people that should be worried are the super rich... and that's a good thing in my book!
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He won't win any votes because he doesn't have a majority, the only way he can alter that is to have a general election and that won't happen because corbyn will lose heavily. I have never voted tory in my life but I will this time just to get brexit through, it's costing the country a fortune to have these idiots in parliament blocking everything and arguing the toss.
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A majority think that of Johnson too. Funny how you're ignoring that. Almost like you're doing so because it doesn't fit your preferred argument.Clarets4me wrote:Or it could be that the majority of people regard Corbyn as unsuitable to be our Prime Minister ...
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Rowls wrote:The vacancy is between Jeremy Corbyn's ears.
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Was Brexit always this important to you?taffy wrote:He won't win any votes because he doesn't have a majority, the only way he can alter that is to have a general election and that won't happen because corbyn will lose heavily. I have never voted tory in my life but I will this time just to get brexit through, it's costing the country a fortune to have these idiots in parliament blocking everything and arguing the toss.
Even before the referendum?
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ksrclaret wrote:Laura Pidcock is quite fit, for a Geordie lass.
Whatever our politics, one thing we can all surely agree on is that all Tories are absolutely and utterly minging to look at; seriously, seriously ugly.
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yTib wrote:if labour and corbyn especially had any real conviction to boot the tories out corbyn would fall on his sword and they'd elect a more centrist leader.
alas, this will not happen and johnson will get a majority in the impending election.
never have i been so depressed at the state of politics, not just domestically but worldwide.
johnson or corbyn. sweet baby jesus and the orphans!
You're not wrong!
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taffy wrote:He won't win any votes because he doesn't have a majority, the only way he can alter that is to have a general election and that won't happen because corbyn will lose heavily. I have never voted tory in my life but I will this time just to get brexit through, it's costing the country a fortune to have these idiots in parliament blocking everything and arguing the toss.
If you were at all concerned about the country being cost "a fortune" then you wouldn't have supported Brexit in the first place, so stop your bullshit.
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He could have considered Sovereignty as more important than money, or indeed he might be a supporter of Democracy in wanting to see the expressed will of the people enacted, as we were promised.Imploding Turtle wrote:If you were at all concerned about the country being cost "a fortune" then you wouldn't have supported Brexit in the first place, so stop your bullshit.
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Johnson must be the most disliked PM since Thatcher....
And yes I haven't forgotten the dislike of Tony Blair at the Iraq war
And yes I haven't forgotten the dislike of Tony Blair at the Iraq war
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Is she the one out of "Little Mix" that Andre Gray is rear endingksrclaret wrote:Laura Pidcock is quite fit, for a Geordie lass.
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Clarets4me wrote:He could have considered Sovereignty as more important than money, or indeed he might be a supporter of Democracy in wanting to see the expressed will of the people enacted, as we were promised.
Brexit hasn't been cancelled. No one is standing in the way of the will of the people. That's just bullshit that is being spread by extremists who want the most damaging form of Brexit possible, for which there is absolutely no mandate.
The will of the people is to leave the EU based on campaign promises. You have just demanded that the will of the people be enacted "as we were promised" during the campaign. You can't pick and choose what campaign promises must be followed. We were promised that there would not be a "no deal" Brexit just like you were promised Brexit.
You can have what you were promised. But I want what I was promised too. But the problem is that you and your lot seem to think that the only way you can have what you were promised is if what I was promised is denied to me. Why?
During the campaign we were promised brexit with a deal if we voted to leave. That's what I'm demanding from my politicians, why aren't you?
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Fully aware that Johnson isn't very popular but according to YouGov's polling last week, his net approval is -16, whereas Corbyn's is -49 ....Imploding Turtle wrote:A majority think that of Johnson too. Funny how you're ignoring that. Almost like you're doing so because it doesn't fit your preferred argument.
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Your point was "a majority" though. Now you're changing your position. Make up your mind before it starts to look like you're moving the goalposts of debate.Clarets4me wrote:Fully aware that Johnson isn't very popular but according to YouGov's polling last week, his net approval is -16, whereas Corbyn's is -49 ....
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Yeah, but what about Blair AFTER the Iraq war, when we'd learned he'd bullshat the nation, and got away with it?mkmel wrote:Johnson must be the most disliked PM since Thatcher....
And yes I haven't forgotten the dislike of Tony Blair at the Iraq war
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Both Johnson and Corbyn would bite your hand off for the majorities Thatcher and Blair enjoyed.mkmel wrote:Johnson must be the most disliked PM since Thatcher....
And yes I haven't forgotten the dislike of Tony Blair at the Iraq war
There is a fair chance that Boris and the Conservatives could win an outright majority even if they only poll a 3rd of the vote.
This shows the flaws in the FPTP system i'm afraid.
My choice for Labpur leader would be Keir Starmer,but their members might feel it's time a female took the reins.
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i would argue there surely is a mandate for a 'hard' brexit.
nowhere on the ballot did it have a single proviso or connotation. i reckon the majority of the majority voted on the basis that it would be a total severance.
i disagree of course cos i'm not fuucking stupid but there we are.
nowhere on the ballot did it have a single proviso or connotation. i reckon the majority of the majority voted on the basis that it would be a total severance.
i disagree of course cos i'm not fuucking stupid but there we are.
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If the EU refuse to negotiate in good faith, then there's not much we can do ... Will you be voting for the Labour party at the next election, if it's still being led by Jeremy Corbyn ?Imploding Turtle wrote:Brexit hasn't been cancelled. No one is standing in the way of the will of the people. That's just bullshit that is being spread by extremists who want the most damaging form of Brexit possible, for which there is absolutely no mandate.
The will of the people is to leave the EU based on campaign promises. You have just demanded that the will of the people be enacted "as we were promised" during the campaign. You can't pick and choose what campaign promises must be followed. We were promised that there would not be a "no deal" Brexit just like you were promised Brexit.
You can have what you were promised. But I want what I was promised too. But the problem is that you and your lot seem to think that the only way you can have what you were promised is if what I was promised is denied to me. Why?
During the campaign we were promised brexit with a deal if we voted to leave. That's what I'm demanding from my politicians, why aren't you?
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Best thing that could happen is if the next Labour leader has centre ground values and principles. Someone like Yvette Cooper.
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tiger76 wrote:Both Johnson and Corbyn would bite your hand off for the majorities Thatcher and Blair enjoyed.
There is a fair chance that Boris and the Conservatives could win an outright majority even if they only poll a 3rd of the vote.
This shows the flaws in the FPTP system i'm afraid.
My choice for Labour leader would be Keir Starmer,but their members might feel it's time a female took the reins.
I'm hoping that the next election further proves just how ****** up our electoral system is by having the runner up in the popular vote becoming Prime Minister. I think after the last two elections more people are seeing just how undemocratic it is. Maybe if Corbyn gets in with 25% of the vote then perhaps more conservative voters will start to turn away from the voting system they only like because it protects their unpopular politics and allows them to still be enacted.
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Balls....taio wrote:Best thing that could happen is if the next Labour leader has centre ground values and principles. Someone like Yvette Cooper.
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Clarets4me wrote:If the EU refuse to negotiate in good faith, then there's not much we can do ... Will you be voting for the Labour party at the next election, if it's still being led by Jeremy Corbyn ?
**** off, mate.
It's our government that did **** all for two years. It's our government's fault we're in this mess.
But lets entertain your delusion for a moment. Explain how the EU have "refused to negotiate in good faith". Maybe you're right, eh? So explain your opinion that the EU have not been acting in good faith.
I'll be voting tactically at the next election, something i've refused to do before, so yes i'll probably be voting Labour.
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I used the word " majority " referring to Corbyn, not Johnson.Imploding Turtle wrote:Your point was "a majority" though. Now you're changing your position. Make up your mind before it starts to look like you're moving the goalposts of debate.
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For starters. £10 minimum wage for under 18s.fidelcastro wrote:I hear that a lot, but I can't see a single policy of his that is especially controversial.
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It was an idea that, on the face of it , doesn't sound too bad, but as far as I know wasn't actually passed as Party policy at the Labour Party conference.CardyTheClaret wrote:For starters. £10 minimum wage for under 18s.
However, only a Tory would actually want people to be earning less!
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Clarets4me wrote:I used the word " majority " referring to Corbyn, not Johnson.
You're admitting your double standard. That a majority opposing Corbyn is proof of Corbyn's unsuitability, but a majority opposing Johnson is not proof of Johnson's unsuitability.
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Simply by insisting on terms that they know will be unacceptable, in respect of fishing rights, future role of the ECJ, the backstop, and a host of other issues. Mrs May's " withdrawal deal " was written almost entirely by the EU negotiating team, and it has been described as being something more suitable for " a Country defeated in war " . The EU team have done this to discourage others ...Imploding Turtle wrote:
**** off, mate.
It's our government that did **** all for two years. It's our government's fault we're in this mess.
But lets entertain your delusion for a moment. Explain how the EU have "refused to negotiate in good faith". Maybe you're right, eh? So explain your opinion that the EU have not been acting in good faith.
I'll be voting tactically at the next election, something i've refused to do before, so yes i'll probably be voting Labour.
Oh, and **** off yourself !
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