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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:23 pm

CardyTheClaret wrote:40 hours @£10. My sales team are up and down the country all hours, commission based.

Ok, so the kids are earning 21k. What about the people on the phones earning 20k now. What do we pay them now they see the warehouse kid earning more than them?
It's interesting how you believe that just shy of 21k a year (taxed by the way) is too much for someone working a 40 hour week!

As it's your business, i'm not going to dictate what you should be paying your employees, but to believe that the minimum wage is too high is naive at best and selfish at worst.

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:26 pm

fidelcastro wrote:It's interesting how you believe that just shy of 21k a year (taxed by the way) is too much for someone working a 40 hour week!

As it's your business, i'm not going to dictate what you should be paying your employees, but to believe that the minimum wage is too high is naive at best and selfish at worst.

How many people do you employ fidel ?

I am gonna guess at somewhere below 1

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:27 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:How many people do you employ fidel ?

I am gonna guess at somewhere below 1
Yes, those poor hard done to employers, eh?

Bless their cotton socks.

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:29 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Yes, those poor hard done to employers, eh?

Bless their cotton socks.

You could always help change this, set up a business and pay what you think people are worth

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by CardyTheClaret » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:31 pm

fidelcastro wrote:It's interesting how you believe that just shy of 21k a year (taxed by the way) is too much for someone working a 40 hour week!
But that's not what I said though, is it?

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by CaptainKirk » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:38 pm

Cardy, you will never convince these people you are not some sort of mill owner throwback who exploits his workforce and sits on his yacht all day.
I would guess they have never employed anyone in their life (much like Jeremy Corbyn).
They are usually the ones who cannot understand why a £100m plus turnover doesn't mean we have £100m plus to spend on players.
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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:39 pm

CardyTheClaret wrote:But that's not what I said though, is it?
Yes it is.

You believe that the minimum wage is TOO HIGH in East Lancashire. You've stated it more than once on this thread.

Try living on the minimum wage for a month, and see how you go on.

Get back to me with your findings!

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by CardyTheClaret » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:42 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Yes it is.

You believe that the minimum wage is TOO HIGH in East Lancashire. You've stated it more than once on this thread.

Try living on the minimum wage for a month, and see how you go on.

Get back to me with your findings!
I've changed my mind, I'm not taking you on after all. Thanks for the interest, I'll keep your name on file. :lol:

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:45 pm

CaptainKirk wrote:Cardy, you will never convince these people you are not some sort of mill owner throwback who exploits his workforce and sits on his yacht all day.
I would guess they have never employed anyone in their life (much like Jeremy Corbyn).
They are usually the ones who cannot understand why a £100m plus turnover doesn't mean we have £100m plus to spend on players.
What a ridiculous comparison! :lol:

To use the world of football, with some of the most insane wages going, to try and score a cheap point!

But, of course, I'm not an employer, so my opinion is nul and void!

Note to self... know my place! :cry:

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:47 pm

CardyTheClaret wrote:I've changed my mind, I'm not taking you on after all. Thanks for the interest, I'll keep your name on file. :lol:
And I was right the first time... I wouldn't work for you anyway.

You sound untrustworthy.

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by CaptainKirk » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:50 pm

It's not that your opinion is null and void - just ill informed.
Now I'm off before IT or Rowls start being arsey again.

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:52 pm

CaptainKirk wrote:It's not that your opinion is null and void - just ill informed.
Now I'm off before IT or Rowls start being arsey again.
There’s nothing "ill informed" about knowing that the minimum wage is not a living wage.
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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by Rowls » Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:37 pm

fidelcastro wrote:There’s nothing "ill informed" about knowing that the minimum wage is not a living wage.
Good news commrade,

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49881980" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by ClaretAndJew » Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:38 pm

Where’s all this money coming from?
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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:32 pm

Rowls wrote:Good news commrade,

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49881980" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I suppose it should be viewed as good news, but spread over five years sounds an awfully long time.

Who knows how much rents, council tax etc will rise in the meantime?

Then there's how much food and other essentials will rocket after Brexit (especially a no deal Brexit!)

So, all in all, welcome news, but hardly ecstatic news!

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:40 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Where’s all this money coming from?
There's plenty of money out there. Distribution is the problem.

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by Rowls » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:44 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Where’s all this money coming from?
This might help:

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/334/ ... onal-debt/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:46 pm

Rowls wrote:This might help:

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/334/ ... onal-debt/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Outrageous isn't it.
What do we spend it on, don't we have the 4th biggest world economy?

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by mkmel » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:49 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Where’s all this money coming from?
Knowing the Tories there will no longer be any benefits given out whatsoever for those unemployed

That should cover all their supposed give aways which btw I doubt will come to fruition

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by Rowls » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:55 pm

mkmel wrote:Knowing the Tories there will no longer be any benefits given out whatsoever for those unemployed

That should cover all their supposed give aways which btw I doubt will come to fruition
This may help:

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/6810 ... in-the-uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No sign of your prediction happening any time soon.

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by aggi » Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:12 pm

Rowls wrote:Good news commrade,

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49881980" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Tories are definitely seeing an election coming up soon.

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by Rowls » Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:21 pm

aggi wrote:The Tories are definitely seeing an election coming up soon.
Well obviously - they tried to call one.

The opposition(s) would, it appears, rather not let the public have a say.

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by aggi » Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:43 pm

Rowls wrote:Well obviously - they tried to call one.

The opposition(s) would, it appears, rather not let the public have a say.
Well that's the trouble when you have a PM with a track history of lying, you can't trust him not to do things such as change an election date after it's been agreed (although I'm sure you already know that).

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:06 pm

Rowls wrote:Well obviously - they tried to call one.

The opposition(s) would, it appears, rather not let the public have a say.
Not reporting the news properly in France Rowls?

Common knowledge amongst the non-Brexit bunch that its stop a "No Deal" and then a GE in Nov or Dec.

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:52 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Pretending to be someone else on twitter?
Never done it.

I have other ways to amuse myself, but thanks for the input.

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by Rowls » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:03 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Not reporting the news properly in France Rowls?

Common knowledge amongst the non-Brexit bunch that its stop a "No Deal" and then a GE in Nov or Dec.
Why not win a general election and then block a "No Deal" election?

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:06 pm

Rowls wrote:Why not win a general election and then block a "No Deal" election?
Because it's still possible for your lying mate to ensure we come out before the election takes place.

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by Rowls » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:17 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Because it's still possible for your lying mate to ensure we come out before the election takes place.
Before the election takes place; THREE years after the country voted to come out.

Got to bite the bullet and respect that referendum vote at some point. Can't prevaricate forever.

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:21 pm

Rowls wrote:Before the election takes place; THREE years after the country voted to come out.

Got to bite the bullet and respect that referendum vote at some point. Can't prevaricate forever.
Coming out without a deal isn't respecting the referendum result.

Every economist and expert under the sun has warned how bad it would be, but there are too many extremists who just don't seem to care.
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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by Rowls » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:30 pm

1. A "No Deal" Brexit would respect the result of the referendum. Continually blocking Brexit and No Effing Brexit at all do not respect the result.

2. These "experts" predicted imminent recession for the UK just for voting for Brexit. And besides, Brexit was won on the issue of sovereignty and democracy, not on tight economic margins.

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:27 pm

Rowls wrote:1. A "No Deal" Brexit would respect the result of the referendum. Continually blocking Brexit and No Effing Brexit at all do not respect the result.

2. These "experts" predicted imminent recession for the UK just for voting for Brexit. And besides, Brexit was won on the issue of sovereignty and democracy, not on tight economic margins.
No one voted for a "no deal" Brexit.

Stop pretending that they did.

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:38 pm

fidelcastro wrote:No one voted for a "no deal" Brexit.

Stop pretending that they did.
The UK government included a “WTO” option as one of its three Brexit “scenarios”, whereby the UK still had no trade deal with the EU by 2030. David Cameron spelled out, in television interviews, that if no agreement was come to with the EU, we would leave on “WTO rules” at the end of the Article 50 period.

It simply is not true that no-one anticipated “no deal” during the referendum. Quite the reverse, no-one anticipated what we now call a “deal” — ie a Withdrawal Agreement — and if we had anticipated it we’d have opposed it. What was anticipated and debated was whether there would be a trade deal — and there was extensive discussion of the possibility that there wouldn’t.

Leaving with “no deal” simply means that we leave the EU in October with no transition period beyond the three and a half years we’ll have already had since 2016. There’s been ample time to prepare. Now it’s time to go.
Taken from a Telegraph article earlier this year.

There's a clip kicking around somewhere with Cameron saying the same about leaving with no deal if nothing is agreed and that was before the referendum.
So the government were fully aware it was a possibility and prepared for it.
Given the fact he mentioned it, you stating no one voted for No Deal is probably wrong.
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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by Rowls » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:42 pm

Quite right Godisadeejay, but the likes of fidelcastro aren't interested in that. They are the ones who should "stop pretending".

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:49 pm

Rowls and Sidney

You don't have a mandate for a "No Deal"

It is that simple.

There is a mandate for a deal.

Do a deal

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by Rowls » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:52 pm

That kind of interpretation is nothing other than a mandate for deadlock.

Which, funnily enough is what we have now.

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:53 pm

Rowls wrote:Quite right Godisadeejay, but the likes of fidelcastro aren't interested in that. They are the ones who should "stop pretending".
God help us if we leave without a deal, which I'll say again, no one voted for. It wasn't on the ballot paper.

I was promised a deal by Cameron and then by May.

How come it's okay for that to not happen, but the now apparently illegal 'no deal' scenario is still okay?

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:56 pm

Rowls wrote:That kind of interpretation is nothing other than a mandate for deadlock.

Which, funnily enough is what we have now.
And your interpretation is basically a coup.

You had the Brexit in your hands, and you are very close to throwing it all away.

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:03 pm

fidelcastro wrote:God help us if we leave without a deal, which I'll say again, no one voted for. It wasn't on the ballot paper.

I was promised a deal by Cameron and then by May.

How come it's okay for that to not happen, but the now apparently illegal 'no deal' scenario is still okay?
I'm pretty sure you, and millions of other people, weren't arsed about what was on the ballot paper until the result was announced.

The Government made plans for how the country could potentially leave, including with No Deal, so technically a vote to leave gave them a mandate to leave in whatever way they could, or couldn't negotiate, including No Deal on WTO terms.

You'll bang on about mandates, what was campaigned on, what the options on the ballot were etc, but not a single one of you gave a toss until you lost and then it suddenly became a big issue for you and you weren't happy with the options on offer.

As for No Deal being illegal, Article 50 states that a country can leave with No Deal at the end of the 2 year notice period.

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:05 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:I'm pretty sure you, and millions of other people, weren't arsed about what was on the ballot paper until the result was announced.

The Government made plans for how the country could potentially leave, including with No Deal, so technically a vote to leave gave them a mandate to leave in whatever way they could, or couldn't negotiate, including No Deal on WTO terms.

You'll bang on about mandates, what was campaigned on, what the options on the ballot were etc, but not a single one of you gave a toss until you lost and then it suddenly became a big issue for you and you weren't happy with the options on offer.

As for No Deal being illegal, Article 50 states that a country can leave with No Deal at the end of the 2 year notice period.
You still haven't got a mandate for "No Deal".

Whatever you post, you still haven't got a mandate for "No Deal"

You have a mandate for a deal.

Whatever you post, you have a mandate for a deal and not a "No Deal"
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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:16 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:You still haven't got a mandate for "No Deal".

Whatever you post, you still haven't got a mandate for "No Deal"

You have a mandate for a deal.

Whatever you post, you have a mandate for a deal and not a "No Deal"
Sadly, these inescapable facts are lost on 'get out at any cost' Brexiters.

I wonder how high on the priority list Brexit was with the likes of Rowls and Sid before the referendum.

Not very, I would suggest, but for reasons I can't fathom, it's suddenly the most severe form of withdrawl, and to hell with the consequences! :o
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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:18 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Sadly, these inescapable facts are lost on 'get out at any cost' Brexiters.

I wonder how high on the priority list Brexit was with the likes of Rowls and Sid before the referendum.

Not very, I would suggest, but for reasons I can't fathom, it's suddenly the most severe form of withdrawl, and to hell with the consequences! :o
Sure I remember Sid saying he didn't care

He's turned into Ringo (Southern version)

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:21 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Sure I remember Sid saying he didn't care

He's turned into Ringo (Southern version)
Does that kind of make him Charlie Wyman? :D

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:22 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:You still haven't got a mandate for "No Deal".

Whatever you post, you still haven't got a mandate for "No Deal"

You have a mandate for a deal.

Whatever you post, you have a mandate for a deal and not a "No Deal"
Government prepared plans for leaving the EU, including with no deal on WTO terms as stated by Cameron.

Ballot was leave or remain, that was it, nothing else.

Leave won giving the government the mandate required to leave the EU according to one of their preprepared plans, which included leaving on WTO terms.

Yes our moronic Politicians made promises they've clearly been unable to keep for a variety of reasons, but they were given a mandate to Leave the EU, that was it, not how to leave despite claims from one side that it had to be with a deal as per the referendum result...

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:23 pm

Leave on the ballot paper suggests just get out without a deal far more than getting a new deal in anyone's eyes.

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:26 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Government prepared plans for leaving the EU, including with no deal on WTO terms as stated by Cameron.

Ballot was leave or remain, that was it, nothing else.

Leave won giving the government the mandate required to leave the EU according to one of their preprepared plans, which included leaving on WTO terms.

Yes our moronic Politicians made promises they've clearly been unable to keep for a variety of reasons, but they were given a mandate to Leave the EU, that was it, not how to leave despite claims from one side that it had to be with a deal as per the referendum result...
Again

You have no mandate for No Deal

You have a mandate for a Deal

Repeat until it gets through

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:26 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Sadly, these inescapable facts are lost on 'get out at any cost' Brexiters.

I wonder how high on the priority list Brexit was with the likes of Rowls and Sid before the referendum.

Not very, I would suggest, but for reasons I can't fathom, it's suddenly the most severe form of withdrawl, and to hell with the consequences! :o
You talk about facts but won't accept those given to you about No Deal.

Brexit won't be an issue for me, I've made that clear several times and it's why I dip in and out of these threads about it.

If we leave not much will change in the long term, once everything calms down, just some people don't believe or accept that view.

I take the same view about our governments though, it doesn't matter which of the two main parties runs the country, for a lot of people not a lot changes massively hence why a decent sized % of the country doesn't bother voting in GE's and once Brexit is out of the way voting numbers will return to normal levels.

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:27 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Government prepared plans for leaving the EU, including with no deal on WTO terms as stated by Cameron.

Ballot was leave or remain, that was it, nothing else.

Leave won giving the government the mandate required to leave the EU according to one of their preprepared plans, which included leaving on WTO terms.

Yes our moronic Politicians made promises they've clearly been unable to keep for a variety of reasons, but they were given a mandate to Leave the EU, that was it, not how to leave despite claims from one side that it had to be with a deal as per the referendum result...
Much as I would have liked us to stay in the EU, I have to agree with this.
Shame it's become what they sometimes call a political football.

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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:28 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Again

You have no mandate for No Deal

You have a mandate for a Deal

Repeat until it gets through
The referendum gave the government a mandate to Leave did it not?

Can you point out where the mandate was to get a deal, or not get a deal originally?

The Benn act is just forcing the government to get a deal or kick the can down the road a bit more.
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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:31 pm

We've been out ever since we went in ;)
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Re: The New Labour Leader

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:33 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:The referendum gave the government a mandate to Leave did it not?

Can you point out where the mandate was to get a deal, or not get a deal originally?

The Benn act is just forcing the government to get a deal or kick the can down the road a bit more.
See my previous post.

You can keep repeating Brexiteer stuff to me Sid, it doesn't change a thing.

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