Cardiff have to pay for Sala
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Cardiff have to pay for Sala
Cardiff have refused to pay the agreed fee for Emiliano Sala but Fifa has ruled that they must pay Nantes the first instalment of the agreed fee which is €6m
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
Can’t understand why they don’t think they should pay for him.
They have grieved for him like he was one of theirs...
They have grieved for him like he was one of theirs...
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
Despicable behaviour from Cardiff. He wouldn’t have even been on the plane but for them.
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
Welshing on a debt....
Up the Clarets......
Up the Clarets......
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
Great news..
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
They can’t print a eulogy of him all over their programmes, have him with their shirt and announcing his signing and then not pay anything for him.
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
Surely the welsh FA can concoct the result they want...
Unbelievable behaviour but perhaps not.....
Unbelievable behaviour but perhaps not.....
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
I can't believe this lot ever remotely thought they wouldn't be liable for this. Surely their lawyer can't be advising them otherwise.
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
Regardless of the complications Cardiff have acted without grace in their actions.
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They had signed the lad.... They should pay end of story
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
How's it even up for question?
Surely there is a contract and if it's signed and dated there can be absolutely no argument????
Does anyone know what Cardiff are claiming?
Surely there is a contract and if it's signed and dated there can be absolutely no argument????
Does anyone know what Cardiff are claiming?
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
Isn't this what insurance is for?
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
Yes but their problem is that on top of the 18m (?) Fee they agreed to pay 5 agents who were doing the deal 9m. This 9m will not be covered by insurers I would bet and this is the reason they tried to nullify the dealAndrewJB wrote:Isn't this what insurance is for?
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I'd like to think we'd behave with a bit more dignity if we found ourselves in a similar position.
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
Not sure on the accuracy but this article explains the basis of the disputetarkys_ears wrote:How's it even up for question?
Surely there is a contract and if it's signed and dated there can be absolutely no argument????
Does anyone know what Cardiff are claiming?
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foo ... t-15941596
Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
Would have thought they would have paid when they signed the deal which clearly was pre accident. Any further payments/installments would surely be covered by insurance ?
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
they need to sort this out speedily to avoid embarrassment, not a case for lengthy legal disputes.
Disrespectful otherwise.
Disrespectful otherwise.
Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
If that article is correct from D_A hard to see why Cardiff should pay as Sala had not signed a contract with Cardiff acceptable to the Premier League and no one can know if he would have signed an acceptable contract where his fee for signing would be paid in instalments.
And if he wasn't a Cardiff player where does the compensation come from?
And if he wasn't a Cardiff player where does the compensation come from?
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
If that's true then they're stupid, not just classless, in this transferCleveleys_claret wrote:Yes but their problem is that on top of the 18m (?) Fee they agreed to pay 5 agents who were doing the deal 9m. This 9m will not be covered by insurers I would bet and this is the reason they tried to nullify the deal
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
And what if your insurer points out that technically the signing wasn't complete and it's Nantes who are insured?AndrewJB wrote:Isn't this what insurance is for?
It's unseemly this has all played out publicly but it's not edifying reading the musings on the legalities of this from people who clearly don't know anything.
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
Quite right. Most, if not all of us on here don't know anything.
Big difference to what is legally right and what is morally right.
Most people on here at least get that...
Most.
Big difference to what is legally right and what is morally right.
Most people on here at least get that...
Most.
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
If Cardiff aren’t contractually obliged to pay for the player then they are well within their rights to dispute this. This was a business transaction after all.
But the way that the club (and I seem to remember it was the club and not just the fans) publicly claimed that ‘he’ll always be a bluebird’ etc. now puts them in a very bad light. Considering the huge sums of money in football these days I would like to think had this have been Burnley we would have acted differently.
But the way that the club (and I seem to remember it was the club and not just the fans) publicly claimed that ‘he’ll always be a bluebird’ etc. now puts them in a very bad light. Considering the huge sums of money in football these days I would like to think had this have been Burnley we would have acted differently.
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The trouble is that with £17 million at stake, what's morally right will never take precedent over what is legally right. (Sadly)
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
I'm not sure what's "moral" about one corporate entity giving another one £15million for fun. Just a chance for football fans to pretend they're taking a moral stance while sticking the boot into a club they don't like. Morals have f*** all to do with it.
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Whilst I agree generally, saying ‘you’ll always be a bluebird’ and then denying that he was ever a bluebird is pretty tasteless.thatdberight wrote:I'm not sure what's "moral" about one corporate entity giving another one £15million for fun. Just a chance for football fans to pretend they're taking a moral stance while sticking the boot into a club they don't like. Morals have f*** all to do with it.
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
You're right. They jumped the gun. They didn't figure on the 1 in 10,000 chance that something would happen to stop the transfer. Neither did Nantes stop it. Nor any of the various professional advisors. Not the player, a very wealthy man paying handsomely for that professional advice.Rileybobs wrote:Whilst I agree generally, saying ‘you’ll always be a bluebird’ and then denying that he was ever a bluebird is pretty tasteless.
In the context of his death, that lack of forensic diligence seems to me unimportant. It looks like FIFA have found the transfer was concluded. Good. Or good if it's the other way. The financial and administrative loose ends just need tidying up.
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
Suspect Cardiff hadn't got the insurance in place in time or only valid if he was registered with PL, which he wasn't
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
Rileybobs wrote: Considering the huge sums of money in football these days I would like to think had this have been Burnley we would have acted differently.
Definitely would have done.
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
I also think that the insurance will have been declared null and void because of the circumstances around the flight.
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Why does everything that Cardiff touch turn out to be so nasty?
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
Why?1HappyClaret wrote:I also think that the insurance will have been declared null and void because of the circumstances around the flight.
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Because they hired a pilot who was not allowed to fly at night and and a pilot who was not allowed to carry fee paying passengers.thatdberight wrote:Why?
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I suspect they hired a company to fly him rather than a pilot, big difference1HappyClaret wrote:Because they hired a pilot who was not allowed to fly at night and and a pilot who was not allowed to carry fee paying passengers.
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
Even if Cardiff's insurance stipulated that their players mustn't act recklessly (which is possible) it's hard to see how Cardiff or Sala breached that. If he'd died in a taxi where it turned out the driver was actually an unlicensed driver standing in for the licensee, no-one would claim a life insurance policy was invalid.1HappyClaret wrote:Because they hired a pilot who was not allowed to fly at night and and a pilot who was not allowed to carry fee paying passengers.
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They (Cardiff) didn't hire anybody. It's sometimes easy to forget that this was a man making his way to his new job and not a child in a push-chair.Vegas Claret wrote:I suspect they hired a company to fly him rather than a pilot, big difference
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Is it a case that he was a Cardiff player, but one that wasn't registered with the Premier League. Have I got this right?
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yeah I think they offered a flight didn't they but his agent booked the fatal one ?thatdberight wrote:They (Cardiff) didn't hire anybody. It's sometimes easy to forget that this was a man making his way to his new job and not a child in a push-chair.
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I believe they're on record as having offered to pay for a commercial flight. The player decided he wanted to spend more time saying goodbye in Nantes and then he / his representatives booked the fatal private flight.Vegas Claret wrote:yeah I think they offered a flight didn't they but his agent booked the fatal one ?
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I don't think any of us know all the detail but it has been surmised that the transfer wasn't to be deemed complete until all adminstrative and registration elements were fulfilled. Whether it was EPL registration or another element, I'm not sure what Cardiff's point is but FIFA don't appear to accept it.Billy Balfour wrote:Is it a case that he was a Cardiff player, but one that wasn't registered with the Premier League. Have I got this right?
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
Pay up.....
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
Cardiff are appealing the decision to the Court of Arbitration for Sport
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
What a horrible horrible club they are.!!ClaretTony wrote:Cardiff are appealing the decision to the Court of Arbitration for Sport
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
This is, if anything, an object lesson in the need to keep payments to agents to an absolute minimum.
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I never could make out the words to the Sala tribute song , I wonder what their own fans make of it all. They seemed passionate and genuinely upset.
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
A lot of things to learn. Often, when you buy skiing insurance the cover is limited to skiing on piste. If you go off-piste your insurance may no longer apply. Similarly, if you have drunk alcohol - and, maybe not even "a lot" of alcohol.
I've not seen any mention of Cardiff's insurance. It could be that there were things incomplete to make the insurance apply. It could be the cover didn't extend to flights in small aircraft or some other matter relating to the flight taken.
It could even be that Cardiff are required by their insurance to take the steps they are taking.
I've not seen any mention of Cardiff's insurance. It could be that there were things incomplete to make the insurance apply. It could be the cover didn't extend to flights in small aircraft or some other matter relating to the flight taken.
It could even be that Cardiff are required by their insurance to take the steps they are taking.
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
I find it hard to believe, given footballers' salaries and lives, that private/small aircraft flights could be an issue.Paul Waine wrote:I've not seen any mention of Cardiff's insurance. It could be that there were things incomplete to make the insurance apply. It could be the cover didn't extend to flights in small aircraft or some other matter relating to the flight taken.
It could even be that Cardiff are required by their insurance to take the steps they are taking.
But I'm sure proof of the completion of the transfer would be a requirement for their insurance. This is just them running their club properly.
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It is if one takes as read a string of conjectures about what's gone on so far. We have no idea about that and there's no reason to think Cardiff wouldn't have been doing the same if no agents' fees had been involved.Lord Beamish wrote:This is, if anything, an object lesson in the need to keep payments to agents to an absolute minimum.
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
Hi tbr, think of it from the insurer's point of view. Would you include cover for the passenger of a small plane, flying at night, with - if reports were accurate - a pilot who was not licensed for this activity?thatdberight wrote:I find it hard to believe, given footballers' salaries and lives, that private/small aircraft flights could be an issue.
But I'm sure proof of the completion of the transfer would be a requirement for their insurance. This is just them running their club properly.
Agree, insurance may also be an issue for the proper status of the transfer. Again, from the insurer's point of view, would you include in the insurance policy someone who may not have completed all the transfer requirements - even if they had reached the stage where the transfer fee has become due to the selling club?
Anyway, not my issue either way. It will get sorted in the usual way these disputes get sorted.
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
Yes, they would. Any high net worth individual is likely to take such flights. Any corporate life insurance policy I've dealt with would have paid out on an accident in this circumstance.Paul Waine wrote:Would you include cover for the passenger of a small plane, flying at night.
The status of the pilot is another matter but, as I said above, there wouldn't necessarily be anything to stop the employer's policy being valid if they and the employee had acted reasonably. They might then seek to recoup from someone else if there was fraud or misrepresentation.
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Re: Cardiff have to pay for Sala
OK, Sounds as though you've got more experience than me. And, I agree, if a helicopter flight can be covered a lot of small aircraft will be covered.thatdberight wrote:Yes, they would. Any high net worth individual is likely to take such flights. Any corporate life insurance policy I've dealt with would have paid out on an accident in this circumstance.
The status of the pilot is another matter but, as I said above, there wouldn't necessarily be anything to stop the employer's policy being valid if they and the employee had acted reasonably. They might then seek to recoup from someone else if there was fraud or misrepresentation.