Silva charged by FA

depechedingle · Post by **depechedingle** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:30 am

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be interesting to see how this turns out, think it might be harsh but a reflection of modern day society.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:04 pm

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.
Utter madness.

BFCmaj · Post by **BFCmaj** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:14 pm

He tweeted later “you can’t even joke with a friend these days”, but he posted it on social media. If you’re going to put something like that on social media what do you think is going to happen? If it was a private joke between friends and he didn’t want to offend anyone, he should have just kept it between himself and Mendy. Bit of a stupid thing to do in my opinion.

edison · Post by **edison** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:16 pm

Mitigating evidence includes "A previous video of Silva joking with Mendy has also been passed on to the FA."

Local cricketer · Post by **Local cricketer** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:18 pm

Worlds gone mad

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:20 pm

BFCmaj wrote:He tweeted later “you can’t even joke with a friend these days”, but he posted it on social media. If you’re going to put something like that on social media what do you think is going to happen? If it was a private joke between friends and he didn’t want to offend anyone, he should have just kept it between himself and Mendy. Bit of a stupid thing to do in my opinion.

Exactly my thoughts.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:27 pm

Banter between teammates not allowed? The job is F***ed.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:30 pm

If it was just between teammates, it would be fine. It was when it was posted on the internet for everyone to see that it became a matter for the FA.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:30 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Banter between teammates not allowed? The job is F***ed.

Worlds gone mad Steve bloody mad......

edison · Post by **edison** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:30 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Banter between teammates not allowed? The job is F***ed.

No one said that and that isn't the case in this instance.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:32 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Banter between teammates not allowed? The job is F***ed.

I didn't take offence at you insinuating I might be a shifty looking Tyke

....

Well as I am a shifty looking Tyke I can't really

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:37 pm

Banter between teammates is different to sticking something up on public social media when he has I presume 1000s of followers. I’d like to hear Sterlings opinion if this was Jack Cork doing it about Aaron Lennon.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:39 pm

Dyched wrote:Banter between teammates is different to sticking something up on public social media when he has I presume 1000s of followers. I’d like to hear Sterlings opinion if this was Jack Cork doing it about Aaron Lennon.

Oh come on for Christ sake...he's a numb footballer having a bit of fun with another numb footballer,chill the **** out mate.

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:43 pm

this thread does not surprise me. Burnley fans defending racism. hold your heads in shame.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:48 pm

There have been enough of instances like this, for clubs and players to learn and maybe employ someone to manage their social media accounts, and not actually post on them personally.
Twitter is probably the worst platform when it comes to people searching for something to be offended about.
I think Tyson Fury for example, doesn't actually post any of the tweets from his account. His trainer took control of it some time ago, and as far as I'm aware, it's now maintained by someone else.
It gives fans, what they think is access to them, but also prevents him posting anything inflammatory, that might upset the "I'm offended" brigade

Raggus · Post by **Raggus** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:50 pm

Just out of interest, if pepe at arsenal posted a pic of David Luiz and sideshow Bob from the Simpson would that be racist or does that not work? Its team mates having a laugh with each other, get over it.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:53 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:this thread does not surprise me. Burnley fans defending racism. hold your heads in shame.

Is that aimed at me,I'm far from a racist,some of my best friends and most genuine people I have ever met are from the Pakistani community,and up to my retirement 12 months ago I worked along side for the last ten years,and those days where full of fun and friendship which will carry on till the day I die....

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:55 pm

Raggus wrote:Just out of interest, if pepe at arsenal posted a pic of David Luiz and sideshow Bob from the Simpson would that be racist or does that not work? Its team mates having a laugh with each other, get over it.

Exactly but that doesn't fit their agenda.

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:06 pm

of course its racist. its the year 2019 and things have changed. Burnley fans still stuck in the dark ages it seems. stop agreeing with it. its not funny and its wrong.

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:08 pm

you need to ask yourselves if a supposed gay persons photo was put next to a packet of fags would that be classed as homophobic. of course it would be. just admit it. Burnley fans can be a racist bunch.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:29 pm

This was a racist tweet. The instagram video he posted was worse. No way did Mendy look impressed when Silva was saying he was naked because he had a black t shirt on.

I accept that between friends this can be deemed acceptable but they are role models. Kids viewing these posts then think it is okay to tease black friends because it is normalised.

The main thing for me regards the video is would Silva had said the same to John Stones if he was wearing a flesh coloured t shirt. Pretty sure he wouldnt. Therefore he found it funny to poke fun at a team mate because of his skin colour. In todays world that is racism

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:30 pm

Raggus wrote:Just out of interest, if pepe at arsenal posted a pic of David Luiz and sideshow Bob from the Simpson would that be racist or does that not work? Its team mates having a laugh with each other, get over it.

What has someones haircut got to do with racism?

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:36 pm

Why do people even bother posting things in public these days. Any thing you say can be twisted to upset someone. The world has truly gone mad.

Stephen Fry who helped promote media when the Internet was first introduced said he was so excited at the time but now compares it to Pandora Box and wish he'd never done it.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:45 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:What has someones haircut got to do with racism?

I'm not sure whether people are unable to make the distinction or just refusing to.

The irony is, that in some cases, it's the same people calling Diane Abbott thick.

claretgoss · Post by **claretgoss** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:47 pm

I don't see it as the "world going mad" at all. Imagine being a young black kid going to school after this had been posted and classmates comparing him to it and having a laugh at his expense.

Footballers know the responsibilities that come with their job and I really can't see how Silva, or anyone else for that matter, think that was an acceptable thing to post on a public domain.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:08 pm

claretgoss wrote:I don't see it as the "world going mad" at all. Imagine being a young black kid going to school after this had been posted and classmates comparing him to it and having a laugh at his expense.

Footballers know the responsibilities that come with their job and I really can't see how Silva, or anyone else for that matter, think that was an acceptable thing to post on a public domain.

It amazes me how people say the "world has gone mad, you cant say anything these days". I remember as an apprentice 20 odd years ago and there was an electrician who was about 40 who was black and called Joe. Everyone called him black Joe. It amazed me that they would do that and when I questioned it the lads would say, its Joe, he likes it, its a laugh, it makes him one of us. I always called him Joe and when I did you could see on his face and how he acknowledged me that he was grateful for not being constantly reminded that he was different, yes only in skin colour, but that every 5/10 mins he was reminded of his skin colour.

Raggus · Post by **Raggus** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:58 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:What has someones haircut got to do with racism?

Where did I mention his haircut? You moved the goal posts to suit. While we are at it, is it racist to call Wayne Rooney shrek? Or ozil golem? These comparisons are made all the time and yet nothing, but a black person compared with a black character is racist? As I said, I merely think it is teammates having a laugh and should be treated as such.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:03 pm

Raggus wrote:Where did I mention his haircut? You moved the goal posts to suit. While we are at it, is it racist to call Wayne Rooney shrek? Or ozil golem? These comparisons are made all the time and yet nothing, but a black person compared with a black character is racist? As I said, I merely think it is teammates having a laugh and should be treated as such.

Is it still okay to compare black people to gollywogs, in your world?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:22 pm

If I didn’t know this messageboard better I’d be surprised at how many people think that what Silva posted was ok. However, we have some people with prehistoric views on here. Fortunately they are now in the minority. Times have changed guys and girls, and you’ve been left behind.

You don’t have to like this time of political correctness where people aren’t prejudiced against for the colour of their skin or their sexuality. Just know that everyone else is laughing at how backwards your views are.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:31 pm

Raggus wrote:Where did I mention his haircut? You moved the goal posts to suit. While we are at it, is it racist to call Wayne Rooney shrek? Or ozil golem? These comparisons are made all the time and yet nothing, but a black person compared with a black character is racist? As I said, I merely think it is teammates having a laugh and should be treated as such.

In what other way would you be comparing David Luiz to Sideshow Bob for? Wayne Rooneys and Ozil's comparisons have nothing to do with race.

Did you miss the part in the video where Silva questioned Mendy as to why he was naked? Because he was wearing a black t shirt, if you have watched it you will see Mendy is not happy at all. Get your head out of ur ass...it is racist!!!!

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:37 pm

Rileybobs wrote:However, we have some people with prehistoric views on here. Fortunately they are now in the minority. Times have changed guys and girls, and you’ve been left behind.

Five years ago maybe Riley. I fear they've rather captured the zeitgeist of 2019.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:59 pm

Never forgiven him for cheating when he threw himself to the floor like a dying swan while forcibly running into Popes outstretched hand . Portugal like Spain are an essentially backward nation even more so where black skin colour is concerned . While I doubt Silva did this with any malice intended it’s a decision of such bellendery it defies belief . The only saving grace is the self righteous virtue signalling of the deeply offended almost tearful snowflakes

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:13 pm

Rileybobs wrote:If I didn’t know this messageboard better I’d be surprised at how many people think that what Silva posted was ok. However, we have some people with prehistoric views on here. Fortunately they are now in the minority. Times have changed guys and girls, and you’ve been left behind.

You don’t have to like this time of political correctness where people aren’t prejudiced against for the colour of their skin or their sexuality. Just know that everyone else is laughing at how backwards your views are.

I'd rather be considered a dinosaur than overly precious like so many. I don't agree with racism, sexism etc. but so much is blown out of all proportion these days and IMO political correctness has gone mad.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:35 pm

I always enjoy these threads where a variety of white, middle-aged, straight men pontificate on stuff like racism, sexism, homophobia and the like.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:37 pm

aggi wrote:I always enjoy these threads where a variety of white, middle-aged, straight men pontificate on stuff like racism, sexism, homophobia and the like.

I always enjoy when someone comes along and presumes people are white, middle aged and straight

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:48 pm

Raggus wrote:Just out of interest, if pepe at arsenal posted a pic of David Luiz and sideshow Bob from the Simpson would that be racist or does that not work? Its team mates having a laugh with each other, get over it.

Geundouzi might have taken offence at not being chosen

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:55 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:I always enjoy when someone comes along and presumes people are white, middle aged and straight

Middle aged???
That's ageist....

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:58 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:I always enjoy when someone comes along and presumes people are white, middle aged and straight

Straight" is cornerist

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:30 pm

So just to clear it up. It’s racist to say a person of a different race looks like a cartoon character of said race- under any circumstances?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:48 pm

Firthy wrote:I'd rather be considered a dinosaur than overly precious like so many. I don't agree with racism, sexism etc. but so much is blown out of all proportion these days and IMO political correctness has gone mad.

But who’s being precious? I haven’t seen anyone overreacting to this. I haven’t even seen anyone accuse Silva of being a racist. Most people can just see that what he published on social media was unacceptable. I fail to see how someone can think otherwise.

claretnproud · Post by **claretnproud** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:01 pm

Trump president of America.
Boris our pm.
women commentating and panelists on every sport going
and you can no longer take the p1ss out of your workmates.
bonkers bonkers bonkers.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:10 pm

claretnproud wrote:Trump president of America.
Boris our pm.
women commentating and panelists on every sport going
and you can no longer take the p1ss out of your workmates.
bonkers bonkers bonkers.

Since when can you no longer take the p1ss out of your workmates? I must have missed that one.

What I didn’t miss was when it became unacceptable to publish racially inappropriate things about your workmates on a public forum.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:31 pm

God forbid that anyone would post a picture of Sean Dyche next to a Lego figure.

Raggus · Post by **Raggus** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:38 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:In what other way would you be comparing David Luiz to Sideshow Bob for? Wayne Rooneys and Ozil's comparisons have nothing to do with race.

Did you miss the part in the video where Silva questioned Mendy as to why he was naked? Because he was wearing a black t shirt, if you have watched it you will see Mendy is not happy at all. Get your head out of ur ass...it is racist!!!!

Thanks for that comment, my head isn't in my arse thank you. I didn't see that video no, I thought all this was the photo of mendy and a picture of a cartoon, which I never saw as racist, no matter how you paint it up, if its not racist a picture of 1 person being a lookalike for a character it doesn't just become racist for a a person to have a look of a character just because said person and character are black.

However if that about the video is true, that in today's day and age is racist, whether it is meant that way or not, neither you nor I can say.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:40 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Since when can you no longer take the p1ss out of your workmates? I must have missed that one.

What I didn’t miss was when it became unacceptable to publish racially inappropriate things about your workmates on a public forum.

But taking the **** out of workmates is probably upsetting for the person receiving it... Is it not? Usually done in front of an Audience. A type of bullying.you missed that one out.....

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:00 pm

Raggus wrote:Thanks for that comment, my head isn't in my arse thank you. I didn't see that video no, I thought all this was the photo of mendy and a picture of a cartoon, which I never saw as racist, no matter how you paint it up, if its not racist a picture of 1 person being a lookalike for a character it doesn't just become racist for a a person to have a look of a character just because said person and character are black.

However if that about the video is true, that in today's day and age is racist, whether it is meant that way or not, neither you nor I can say.

I dont believe the cartoon in itself is too bad neither. If someone looks like a cartoon then they look like the character and yes it can be funny. The character Mendy is said to look like though is similar in racist connatations to that of our Golliwogs. A fat bellied black figure with big red lips. The designer of the Conguitas cartoon originally had the figure carrying a spear. It has changed slightly over the last few year because of its racist connotations which the original creator admits to and regrets saying in todays society that image is no longer acceptable.

Like has been said if it is between close friends and both find it funny then okay. But when sharing on social media they are saying that that mocking of another person is acceptable. If he truly felt nothing was wrong with it why did he take it down after 45 mins. Because an agent or a club media staff member will have seen it and contacted him and told him to remove it because they knew how it looked. Then as a person you have 2 choices, take it down because you realise your mistake or keep it up because you feel you have done nothing wrong.

The video is on this link. To me Mendys laugh is nervous. Silva was aiming to humiliate him to his millions of viewers.

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Another thing I find wrong with it all is Raheem Sterling (whom I like) saying Bernardo isnt racist and shouldnt be charged as he knows him and knows he isnt racist. When did Sterling become the judge of all racism. Would he be happy if those chelsea fans that threw bananas at him and called him racist names were friends with a chelsea player and said chelsea player said 'oh I know them they arent racist", would he have accepted that? Damn right he wouldnt

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:02 pm

dsr wrote:God forbid that anyone would post a picture of Sean Dyche next to a Lego figure.

What lego figure which Dyche is compared to pokes fun at his heritage and stereotypes his whole race?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:05 pm

tim_noone wrote:But taking the **** out of workmates is probably upsetting for the person receiving it... Is it not? Usually done in front of an Audience. A type of bullying.you missed that one out.....

Since when did taking the p!ss out of someone automatically become bullying?

If I posted a picture of a black colleague of mine next to a picture that uses racial stereotypes to depict a black person then there would be ramifications. I'm sure there would be in most lines of work. It's not acceptable and that's why Silva has been charged. I'm finding it very hard to get my head around why anybody would think that it is acceptable.

Incidentally, I haven't seen anyone mention that the depiction of a black child doesn't even look remotely like Mendy.

Siddo · Post by **Siddo** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:44 pm

Some eloquent replies on here. I thought of trying to go down the road of mentioning the Equality Act and protected characteristics then I remembered I was posting on Up the Clarets.
I find it embarrassing and/or unbelievable that some posters honestly can't understand what is wrong with the tweets.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:49 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Since when did taking the p!ss out of someone automatically become bullying?

If I posted a picture of a black colleague of mine next to a picture that uses racial stereotypes to depict a black person then there would be ramifications. I'm sure there would be in most lines of work. It's not acceptable and that's why Silva has been charged. I'm finding it very hard to get my head around why anybody would think that it is acceptable.

Incidentally, I haven't seen anyone mention that the depiction of a black child doesn't even look remotely like Mendy.

It is supposed to look like Mendy as a child...the pic compared is one of Mendy as a child