The Haka

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:41 pm

Is it just me or is this overused and now getting boring.

Was reading an article on how this actually gives them an advantage. Because whilst they are doing it the opposition are relaxing and their bodies are cooling down as they are expected to stay still for it. Yet the All blacks are getting psyched up and by the end of it their bodies are more prepared for the first ten mins of the match than the opposition who are playing catch up getting their adrenaline going again.

Also why do the football team not perform the Haka if it is so important to their culture or is their a reason I am too stupid to realise

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:43 pm

The Haka is the best part of the game.. The rest of the game is crap..

claretnproud · Post by **claretnproud** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:49 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Is it just me or is this overused and now getting boring.

Was reading an article on how this actually gives them an advantage. Because whilst they are doing it the opposition are relaxing and their bodies are cooling down as they are expected to stay still for it. Yet the All blacks are getting psyched up and by the end of it their bodies are more prepared for the first ten mins of the match than the opposition who are playing catch up getting their adrenaline going again.

Also why do the football team not perform the Haka if it is so important to their culture or is their a reason I am too stupid to realise

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:49 pm

Amazing timing, Gary Lineker tweeted the same earlier today.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:50 pm

Shouldn't be allowed- unless our lads can do a Morris Dance in response.
Irish can do one of those tap-dancey things, Scots can do a sword/claymore dance and the Welsh can chuck some leeks & daffs about. French can do some sort of shruggy shoulders gesture dance. Australians can do some Kangaroo dancing.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:57 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:Amazing timing, Gary Lineker tweeted the same earlier today.

Right...so i am guessing Piers Morgan then tweeted he was all for it and how offensive Lineker was

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:00 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Right...so i am guessing Piers Morgan then tweeted he was all for it and how offensive Lineker was

No idea, I have his tweets blocked. The comments generally were not positive to his point though.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:08 pm

Didnt our Lads have a huddle in the championship years Leading to promotion?

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:13 pm

it was done to death years ago, the BBC lap this sort of slop up, but the daft ritual is one of those things royals like, royals and idiots.
ponce sport anyway.

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:25 pm

Union?..30 gym bunnies running into each other for 80 minutes.

The Haka is just a bit of primeval grunting and face pulling...sort of thing we did at Primary School...but it's the sort of garbage the TV companies love.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:44 pm

Blimey Fatboy47, I always presumed you were a front row man, given your name.

I agree with all the criticism of the sport though - nowhere near enough rolling around pretending to be hurt and falling down at the slightest touch. Also largely lacks silly dances when people score a try. I dare say the players dont even all wear Beatz headphones- pathetic really, don't know why I've been watching the World Cup most mornings.

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:57 pm

LeadBelly wrote:Blimey Fatboy47, I always presumed you were a front row man, given your name.

I agree with all the criticism of the sport though - nowhere near enough rolling around pretending to be hurt and falling down at the slightest touch. Also largely lacks silly dances when people score a try. I dare say the players dont even all wear Beatz headphones- pathetic really, don't know why I've been watching the World Cup most mornings.

Played hooker and occasionally open side for years Leadbelly.....and loved every minute...?games changed now though...the breathtaking skills of the Phil Bennet's..Campese's...and Barry John's are a thing of the past.....it was all about skill and there was a position for everyone..whatever their shape
. Good luck to those who enjoy it now, but it's a shadow of what it used to be.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:07 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:Amazing timing, Gary Lineker tweeted the same earlier today.

In that case the "Haka" is brilliant

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:44 am

England's version of the Haka.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvhKEMjsdmI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:50 am

........ and the Yorkshire version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ4zQjteIXQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:53 am

sue barker will be beside herself. jesus.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:19 am

Haka is crap. RU is crap.

Tribesmen · Post by **Tribesmen** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:31 am

The Haka is so ingrained in rugby , now never seen it done live but still gives me goose bumps every time I see it on the box .

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:12 am

''The opposition are expected to stay still for it'

Jeer them, laugh at them, ignore them, big fat girlie blokes in skirts...

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:28 am

The Scots should moon them

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:04 am

It’s nothing more than a hilarious homoerotic dance with huge muscular hideously ugly guys stomping and grunting Good for them and their culture but it strikes about as much fear into the opposition as the CFS or Ken Clarke That said, as the undisputed daddies of RU they can do what they want .

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:09 am

I don't like rugby, very rarely watch it but the NZ haka when done well is a beautiful thing to watch and long may it continue.

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:17 am

Cleveleys_claret wrote:is their a reason I am too stupid to realise

Hakan't answer that!

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:18 am

It's always been boring. As has rugby union.

grapidianclaret · Post by **grapidianclaret** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:12 pm

fatboy47 wrote:Played hooker and occasionally open side for years Leadbelly.....and loved every minute...?games changed now though...the breathtaking skills of the Phil Bennet's..Campese's...and Barry John's are a thing of the past.....it was all about skill and there was a position for everyone..whatever their shape
. Good luck to those who enjoy it now, but it's a shadow of what it used to be.

Very clever. You had me there until Campese. Front row, open side my arse!

grapidianclaret · Post by **grapidianclaret** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:14 pm

Quicknick wrote:It's always been boring. As has rugby union.

It must be boring, the rugby world cup(Union) is only the worlds third biggest sporting spectacle.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:38 pm

Lots of moronic replies in this thread as expected.

I'd suggest attempting to learn just a tad about Maori culture/traditions before spouting ********.

If this was jeering a Pakistani tradition, that caused no harm to anyone for example, it would be deemed as 'racist'.... No difference here

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:51 pm

The Haka is a cultural thing... not something just for show

2 Bee Holed · Post by **2 Bee Holed** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:09 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:........ and the Yorkshire version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ4zQjteIXQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Brilliant.

I can imagine the CFS doing that before a game!

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:14 pm

Many of our fans do something similar in the Cricketfield stand every home game, it's called the smaka.

Andingle · Post by **Andingle** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:24 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovd3v0CPXJA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:45 pm

Doesn't Rocky do the Ataka Ataka Ataka?

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:15 pm

CoolClaret wrote:Lots of moronic replies in this thread as expected.

I'd suggest attempting to learn just a tad about Maori culture/traditions before spouting ********.

If this was jeering a Pakistani tradition, that caused no harm to anyone for example, it would be deemed as 'racist'.... No difference here

i doubt you'd mind if it were aimed at the french though, because they are still the butt of jibes on films, tv , especially where england are concerned.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:21 pm

2 Bee Holed wrote:Brilliant.

I can imagine the CFS doing that before a game!

Looking from our vantage point in the JHU we thought they already did

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:59 pm

Considering they wipe the floor with whoever they play I’m surprised some opposition teams haven’t decided to just continue their warm-ups whilst the All-Blacks crack on with it.

It’s intended to strike fear into the opposition and is almost certain to give them a slight edge going into a match. So I’ve no idea why at the elite level, when fine margins come into play, the opposition subject themselves to it. Odd.

Holtyclaret · Post by **Holtyclaret** » Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:52 am

Some pig ignorant responses to what is a ritual steeped in the kiwis heritage and Maori folklore. Personally love seeing the haka and admire their passion and pride on full display in representing their nation.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:58 pm

I'd be more than happy for Burnley to do the Haka before every match if it made us as successful as the All Blacks.

Transpennine · Post by **Transpennine** » Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:03 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Considering they wipe the floor with whoever they play I’m surprised some opposition teams haven’t decided to just continue their warm-ups whilst the All-Blacks crack on with it.

It’s intended to strike fear into the opposition and is almost certain to give them a slight edge going into a match. So I’ve no idea why at the elite level, when fine margins come into play, the opposition subject themselves to it. Odd.

are the opposition obliged to stand there and watch? If so.. why?
And if they're not obliged, then why do they do it?

I appreciate it's a different sport and culture. But I couldn't imagine a Sean Dyche team standing there before the game as Man City danced around the centre circle for 3 minutes prior to kick off...

CaptainClaret · Post by **CaptainClaret** » Sat Oct 05, 2019 12:50 am

There’s generally more respect in international competition. We even (mostly) manage to respect national anthems in football.
Having lived in NZ 7years (I’m a citizen now) I’m not keen on rugby - it’s generally the first and last thing in the news every day, but the Haka is culturally important here and it seems a harmless tradition to get worked up about. Probably adds to the spectacle.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:06 am

Transpennine wrote:are the opposition obliged to stand there and watch? If so.. why?
And if they're not obliged, then why do they do it?

I appreciate it's a different sport and culture. But I couldn't imagine a Sean Dyche team standing there before the game as Man City danced around the centre circle for 3 minutes prior to kick off...

Just the opposite, I think SD would insist they stood there as a mark of respect. The Haka is massively important to the maori people and 100's of years old.

If you read this article about Britain showing regret for some of Captains Cooks crew killing several maoris because they saw the Haka as being aggressive when they were greeted with it.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zea ... ars-ago-v1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

timshorts · Post by **timshorts** » Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:54 am

I suppose I sort of respect what it is, but have to agree with the opening poster that it's sort of tedious. It was one thing having it appear on lions tours every eight years, but with them turning up for autumn internationals every year, our summer tours, World cups etc it's turned into something I do something else during, like the national anthems.

Still, it's very much less tedious than people that learn the words and actions and perform it over here in pubs etc.