United should have stuck with Moyes

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United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by Wile E Coyote » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:00 pm

always admired moyes and thought he was treated appallingly by them, he would have probably had them sorted by now.
solskjaer is a nice bloke, but despite the clamour to appoint him, he doesn't appear up to the job.
That's what happens when sentimentality gets in the way of sound business sense.
at this rate, it will take about 5 years at least to find themselves back in contention for any sort of competition.

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by Bosscat » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:03 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote: it will take about 5 years at least to find themselves back in contention for any sort of competition.
And this is a problem because??????
:D :D :D

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by jrgbfc » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:06 pm

Feel a bit sorry for OGS really, the squad he's been lumbered with is absolutely awful. Ashley Young as captain speaks volumes. How much did Mourinho blow on the likes of Sanchez, Fred, Bailly etc?

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:09 pm

Really wish we could play them early doors, they always manage to just about get sorted by the time we turn up, apart from the obvious game, #Robbieblake.

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by Tricky Trevor » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:21 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Feel a bit sorry for OGS really, the squad he's been lumbered with is absolutely awful. Ashley Young as captain speaks volumes. How much did Mourinho blow on the likes of Sanchez, Fred, Bailly etc?
Was this Mourinho’s greatest wind up?

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:23 pm

Read a line from someone this week which said that all that’s left of Ferguson’s legacy is his name on the stand.

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by Dark Cloud » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:25 pm

On the plus side Utd seem to be trying to bring through a whole lot of "home grown" youngsters and giving them a do, both in the league and in the Europa, so credit to them for that, but on the down side, a whole bunch of said youngsters don't really look good enough and possibly never will be. They maybe ok for a mid prem team, but certainly not top 5 or 6 and "challenging" (Arsenal's youngsters look rather better btw)

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by Tricky Trevor » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:26 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Read a line from someone this week which said that all that’s left of Ferguson’s legacy is his name on the stand.
Like all great leaders he knew when to bow out. He might have seen this decline coming.

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by bodge » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:36 pm

United's fall from grace has been a magnificent spectacle so far and they haven't bottomed out yet so there will be a lot more quivering bottom lips to enjoy from their odious fanbase for a while.
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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by Bosscat » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:39 pm

bodge wrote:United's fall from grace has been a magnificent spectacle so far and they haven't bottomed out yet so there will be a lot more quivering bottom lips to enjoy from their odious fanbase for a while.
Wonder if they will come up with a new nursery rhyme to sing......
:roll:

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by Darthlaw » Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:02 pm

Ferguson destroyed his own legacy in recommending Moyes for the job. An appointment not to dissimilar to Laws here, in terms of neither of them having done anything to warrant getting the job they were given.

Still, my family are rather more subdued at our get togethers now, when football is discussed, which is not a bad thing.

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by SGr » Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:21 pm

Ole makes a strong case for being the worst in this league. Spineless Glazer yes-man and a tragic manager on top.

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by jrgbfc » Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:40 pm

It's a long way back for them now. They're a million miles away from City and Liverpool.

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:59 pm

jrgbfc wrote:It's a long way back for them now. They're a million miles away from City and Liverpool.
I think those two have pulled a long way clear of every other team in the league.

United have a problem now. They’ve changed managers far too frequently and need to back one long term. But they can’t back OGS much longer surely.

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by Dyched » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:15 pm

OGS is a muppet.

If their good enough their old enough is the saying. Not their young with potential.

Dwight McNeill plays for Burnley because he is better than what we had. He improved us.

Playing footballers because they are young with potential is stupid.

Rashford, Martial, Shaw (how old now?), Mctominay do not improve Man U chances of top 4. It’s laughable to sell Lakuku to play Rashford.

If we suddenly brought in a youth player instead of Barnes because he has potential to be great in 2 years but right now he’s no better than Ian Moore than that’d be stupid.

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by Funkydrummer » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:26 pm

Moyes didn't help himself by getting rid of most, if not all, the backroom staff thereby destroying
a well oiled machine.

Good on him I say. :lol:

Anyway, who gives a sh!t ? Certainly not me who is loving every single minute of their demise.

I am lucky enough to remember when they were relegated in 1974 from the old 1st division.
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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:26 pm

jrgbfc wrote:It's a long way back for them now. They're a million miles away from City and Liverpool.
I don't think they're even that close to them.
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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:30 pm

Maybe not want fans of Man United want to hear but what is the point of trying to catch City and Liverpool at the moment. They can not compete. They would need a massive overhaul which as proven by the last 3/4 managers still wont close the gap at present with City. They have no chance at present.

All agents know UTD have lots of money still and want ludicrous sums for having their players sign. Top 4 would be a huge achievement but with Spuds imploding it is still doable.

UTD are finished as a force for several years now. They are going to be the new Liverpool of the 90s and 00s. But sill still rake in the pounds because they are still one of the biggest clubs in the world

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by jrgbfc » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:31 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I think those two have pulled a long way clear of every other team in the league.

United have a problem now. They’ve changed managers far too frequently and need to back one long term. But they can’t back OGS much longer surely.
I think it would be very harsh on Solskjaer with the mess he inherited but they might not have much choice. Especially with Allegri and potentially Pochettino becoming available.

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:38 pm

Maybe my numbers are wrong but hasn’t OGS spent £250m so far. If I am wrong it is still a ridiculous amount.

The likes of jones and stalling stalling as replacement for vidic and Ferdinand were the beginning of the recruitment problem.

Hearing their fans saying the owners need to get their hands in their pockets amazes me. They must of spent £1bn on signing since Ferguson left.

Seriously, if they gave Big Sam £200m in the summer that team would be performing better than it is now.
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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by CoolClaret » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:38 pm

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by Wile E Coyote » Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:09 pm

Darthlaw wrote:Ferguson destroyed his own legacy in recommending Moyes for the job. An appointment not to dissimilar to Laws here, in terms of neither of them having done anything to warrant getting the job they were given.

Still, my family are rather more subdued at our get togethers now, when football is discussed, which is not a bad thing.
don't agree with that, moyes had a proven top flight pedigree, sustained over many seasons too.
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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:13 pm

Just out of curiosity, where is Moyes now, I genuinely have no idea and can't be arsed to Google him

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by chipbutty » Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:16 pm

jrgbfc wrote:I think it would be very harsh on Solskjaer with the mess he inherited but they might not have much choice. Especially with Allegri and potentially Pochettino becoming available.
As much as you don`t like that team, by most teams standards it is nowhere near a mess and think you are doing OGS a favour

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by Darthlaw » Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:28 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:don't agree with that, moyes had a proven top flight pedigree, sustained over many seasons too.
Simple question (which probably many of the players asked, when he fired all the coaches) - What had he won?

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:22 am

If I had to pick any Premier League Manager to manage us OGS would be bottom of the list by some distance.

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by Blackrod » Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:57 am

Moyes was a poor appointment. His negative outlook when at Sunderland spoke volumes. I’m not sure Solskjaer will cut it long term there. A very average looking Man U side these days. Sides don’t fear them anymore. If you take Pogba out I’m not seeing any standout players. The plastic and armchair fans will not be happy.

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by NottsClaret » Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:04 am

Not sure about United being years behind. For a huge club with their spending power, a quality manager and a couple of good transfer windows and it'll all turn again.

It's only 18 months since they finished 6 points above Liverpool. Mourinho's 2nd place to City looks decent in hindsight. Obviously worth enjoying this while it lasts mind.

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:04 am

How do you replace the best manager in the world for a couple of decades?

To be fair to United, they have tried everyone who looked like they should have been a good fit.

But once that aura of invincibility goes, and United had that in spades, and the players are no longer as good, then it takes a very long time to sort it out.

Add an ownership that don't care as long as United keeps making millions, and you've got a real issue.
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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by Dark Cloud » Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:18 am

Moyes is actually an ok manager, but imo it didn't matter who took over from Fergie, it was ALWAYS only ever going to head in one direction, so rather a poison chalice tbh. Moyes has gone on and done ok at West Ham, but looked utterly clueless and didn't do himself any favours with his "honesty" at Sunderland, but that was an absolute basket case anyway. I honestly think SD possibly looks at somebody like Moyes and his tenure at Everton when other jobs and offers maybe come along. Moyes and Everton suited each other. He was doing brilliantly and had the club, the fans, the board, the players, everything totally in sync, but then, after 11? years he jumped ship and although his bank manager might not agree, inside he could possibly really regret it. SD has everything he could want or need at Burnley and everything just lines up. SD in a different club and different situation could be a completely different animal and I suspect he gets that.
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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by claretburns » Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:30 am

The only genuine world class player they have had in recent times is De Gea and even he has looked suspect at the end of last season and beginning of this, also he was a Fergie signing as well, so since Fergie left, in my view, not one world class player has been signed, Zlatan aside, though his career was coming to an end, he wasn't exactly a mid-20 year old player who could give the next 5-6 years to United.

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:45 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:26 pm
I don't think they're even that close to them.
Credit where its due to OGS.

I never expected them to finish top 5, let alone 3rd.
He's done an impressive job this season all things considered.

Yes they're 15 points behind 2nd placed City who will likely spend a far wedge this next window, but Utd have shown they'll back OGS with the Bruno signing.

Be interesting to see how they do this next window and next season with CL along with the normal football stuff.

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by Vino blanco » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:50 pm

Won't be interesting to me, not the slightest bit interested in what they do.

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Re: United should have stuck with Moyes

Post by tim_noone » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:59 pm

Vino blanco wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:50 pm
Won't be interesting to me, not the slightest bit interested in what they do.
Strange......a Lot on here do?? :shock:

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