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The black footballers dilemma

Post by Wile E Coyote » Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:33 am

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interesting programme written and narrated by clark carlisle .

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Re: The black footballer's dilemma

Post by thatdberight » Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:47 am

"Former footballer Clark Carlisle explores whether the racism black players faced is really a thing of the past."

Yes.

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by evensteadiereddie » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:49 pm

But not now ? :shock:

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by thatdberight » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:13 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:But not now ? :shock:
No.

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by Pstotto » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:24 pm

Goading opposition players to put them off, was part of football, where fans engaged in psychological warfare, a lot of the so-called racist chanting is just a way to rile them, Burnley have had black players in the team and our fans have goaded an opposition player by directing their jibes about their colour.

That aspect is part of the discourse, it's not just a theatre outing IT IS tribal war, is football and goading the opposition is part of it.

Don't make out I'm a racist for talking about this, this post is nothing to do with racism, I'm pointing out that a lot of the goading comes from another place.

If one cannot jeer the opposition then the fan entertainment is diminished, fans make their own entertainment as part of the spectacle.

I'm not condoning racist chanting, but part of this anti-racism movement is another way of subduing the male populace to make them supplicant to rule.

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by dougcollins » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:32 pm

Racism is racism whatever excuses you make for it.

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by fidelcastro » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:40 pm

thatdberight wrote:No.
Are you seriously suggesting it doesn't happen now? :?

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by ChorltonCharlie » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:40 pm

Pstotto, I think you’re confusing this with some kind of Inter Milan ultra forum. People who aren’t racist do not use racism as psychological warfare. So called racist chanting, seriously!?

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by Lord Beamish » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:41 pm

There are literally heaps and heaps of Glory that some of our less-enlightened posters are just dying to cover themselves in on this topic. Pstotto has just stared shovelling.
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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by fidelcastro » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:43 pm

Pstotto wrote: I'm not condoning racist chanting, but part of this anti-racism movement is another way of subduing the male populace to make them supplicant to rule.
Did I really just read that?

Anyone would think you were on drugs or something.

:shock:
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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:43 pm

OMG. Not again...

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by thatdberight » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:06 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Are you seriously suggesting it doesn't happen now? :?
No.

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by Im_not_Robbie_Blake » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:09 pm

Do you ever say 'Yes'?

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by Tricky Trevor » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:18 pm

Mental warfare is very much part of professional sport.
They all know who are the drinkers, gamblers, philanderers, mentally not in a good place and take every advantage they can. Every one of these should be deemed unacceptable. Racism is not on a different level for me but is despicable.

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by thatdberight » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:20 pm

Im_not_Robbie_Blake wrote:Do you ever say 'Yes'?
Yes. Subject to appropriate conjugation.

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:32 pm

ChorltonCharlie wrote:Pstotto, I think you’re confusing this with some kind of Inter Milan ultra forum. People who aren’t racist do not use racism as psychological warfare. So called racist chanting, seriously!?
how dare you insinuate anyone other than working class english people are racist.

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by Woodleyclaret » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:42 pm

Its Black History month isnt that racist as there is not a White History month?

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:51 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Its Black History month isnt that racist as there is not a White History month?
No
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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by ClaretAndJew » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:54 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Its Black History month isnt that racist as there is not a White History month?
When’s international men’s day?
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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by dpinsussex » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:56 pm

There is thankfully far less racism in the game than the abuse that referees have to put up with.
Neither should be happening in the game we all love

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by Guppyspotter » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:22 pm

Thank goodness the majority of people seem to understand right from wrong on here.

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by Guppyspotter » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:23 pm

No it's not racist that there is no white history month. Every month has been pretty much white history month for as long as history has been taught.
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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by Brucefanclaret » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:51 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:When’s international men’s day?


19 November

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by Pstotto » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:15 am

'Visit Rwanda' :-) (I think Arsenal is it, now have it as a sponsor?)


How about that for a chant?

To the tune of 'Go and tell Aunt Nancy'

Go and visit Rwanda,
Go and visit Rwanda,
Go check out the clubbing scene
Paul Pogba... (whatever footballer's name)

That's using a recognized advert in football, and also it's in accordance with Black history month.

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by Steve1956 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:33 am

fidelcastro wrote:Did I really just read that?

Anyone would think you were on drugs or something.

:shock:
If you did read it,can you explain it to me. :D

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by Pstotto » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:01 pm

I'll explain it to you , it's about the pre-emptive negative strike as a political strategy of downing somebody by warning them about their behaviour when they haven''t done anything, as an implicit lower judgement.

'Steve, you've got to learn to respect people' (example)

Be NICE and SIT DOWN, SHUT UP.

And if you react against the command, THEY ACCUSE YOU of reacting against the sentiment of the ethos e.g. 'Don't insult blacks', if you react against it (i.e. the insulting pre-emptive presumption), the next political manoeuvre is to accuse you of reacting against the notion of not insulting blacks.


It's THE p.c. fascist strategy of our times, to say 'you are wrong and we are right' even though nothing has happened.

It's the elite minorities using minorities to bash the majority as a SIMULACRUM OF THE ELITE, hence Feminism, black power, Islam, lesbian and gays as the simulacrum of the elite minority and it you're against this 'cultural elite' ruling you via the media, you are the four pariah words, racist, homophobic, sexist, religious bigot.

Things will get worse because the new head of the PL is the chief executive of the Guardian newspaper, expect more sport indoctrination of this pc fascism, working on behalf of the elite to keep everyone subdued and down and supplicant, GOOD BOYS, NICE BOYS, OBEDIENT BOYS.
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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by Steve1956 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:15 pm

:lol: sorry Potty :lol:

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by Pstotto » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:17 pm

It's ok, Perv1956.

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by Sausage » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:19 pm

Pstotto wrote:Don't make out I'm a racist for talking about this, this post is nothing to do with racism, I'm pointing out that a lot of the goading comes from another place.

If one cannot jeer the opposition then the fan entertainment is diminished, fans make their own entertainment as part of the spectacle.
There's a massive difference between singing, for example, "B**stard reject" and "You black b**stard". The motivation for shouting such abuse is irrelevant. One is racist, the other isn't.

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by Pstotto » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:22 pm

I think you'd better guard the touchlines, Sausage, when United visit the Turf, as we don't want to upset Pogba when he's taking a penalty... That's not fair. :-)

My solution around the problem, see post 24.

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by Steve1956 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:31 pm

Pstotto wrote:It's ok, Perv1956.
:lol:

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by Pstotto » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:33 pm

... Not that I'm pre-emptive judging you, or anything. :D

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by Sausage » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:46 pm

Pstotto wrote:I think you'd better guard the touchlines, Sausage, when United visit the Turf, as we don't want to upset Pogba when he's taking a penalty... That's not fair. :-)
It's perfectly fair to give a player some stick, e.g.

"Paul, you're s**t"

"Paul, you overpaid primadonna"

But "Paul, you black b**stard" is beyond the pale. The motivation for saying any one of those three phrases might be exactly the same, but one of them is clearly racist.
Pstotto wrote:My solution around the problem, see post 24.
You don't think chanting "Go and visit Rwanda" at a black player is tantamount to suggesting that black players should "go home"?

The really easy way to avoid being accused of being racist is a) don't be racist; and b) see point a.

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by Pstotto » Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:24 pm

Sanctimonous prig... Arsenal I think are advertising 'Visit Rwanda', so???????? Your thinking?????

... And Pogba you're what? S**t? Are you implying????????

Anyway, you can feel proud, you're a very very good Hector.

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:28 pm

Get back on the booze and drugs

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by Pstotto » Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:37 pm

:-), Oh you're insulting me, that's mental healthist.

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by timshorts » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:55 pm

Pstotto wrote:'Visit Rwanda' :-) (I think Arsenal is it, now have it as a sponsor?)


How about that for a chant?

To the tune of 'Go and tell Aunt Nancy'

Go and visit Rwanda,
Go and visit Rwanda,
Go check out the clubbing scene
Paul Pogba... (whatever footballer's name)

That's using a recognized advert in football, and also it's in accordance with Black history month.
Not sure that's quite the right tune.

Putting it to dk's holiday works nicely. Particularly the replacement of pol pog for pol pot.

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Re: The black footballers dilemma

Post by Pstotto » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:59 pm

I think folk should just chant 'Visit Rwanda' to all teams... Good chant for Leicester match away. ;-)

Arsenal have it on their sleeves, perhaps a bit of Gallagher and Lyle as an additional lyric:

'And wear your heart on your sleeve,
And wear you're heart on your sleeve...
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