Joey Barton

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:40 pm

Pleads not guilty to ABH at Barnsley magistrates.
Sent forward to Sheffield Crown on Nov. 6th.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:15 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:Pleads not guilty to ABH at Barnsley magistrates.
Sent forward to Sheffield Crown on Nov. 6th.

Surprised that certain people haven't jumped on here saying what a disgusting individual he is, or does that not apply to ex burnley hero's

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:22 pm

Be interesting to find out what really happened that day . I remember lurid reports of the German having his jaw broken and all his teeth knocked out requiring “ extensive dental work” Though it appears the ABH relates to “ a damaged tooth”

No doubt a fracas of sorts took place ,though I’d imagine Joey ( who can come across highly articulate ) will sway the jury .

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:35 pm

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No doubt a fracas of sorts took place ,though I’d imagine Joey ( who can come across highly articulate ) will sway the jury .[/quote]
Thats ok then....good lad joey

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:41 pm

Grumps wrote:[quote="

No doubt a fracas of sorts took place ,though I’d imagine Joey ( who can come across highly articulate ) will sway the jury .

Thats ok then....good lad joey[/quote]

Yeah, good luck, Joey.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:52 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:Pleads not guilty to ABH at Barnsley magistrates.
Sent forward to Sheffield Crown on Nov. 6th.

A friend of mine is on the Board at Fleetwood. I asked him about this incident in July of this year and he said it had been exaggerated by the media and that there was no more than a minor scuffle between a few of the players. I should see him again on Sunday but I think I'll let him bring it up in conversation this time.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:02 pm

Innocent till proven guilty.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:04 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:Innocent till proven guilty.

That doesn't apply on here,see the crewe thread

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:06 pm

Grumps wrote:That doesn't apply on here,see the crewe thread

Stop trying to make a comparison that isn't there.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:09 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Stop trying to make a comparison that isn't there.

Has either been found guilty?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:10 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Stop trying to make a comparison that isn't there.

He ruined the Crewe/Gradi thread with his nonsense and is now trying to ruin this one.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:10 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:Innocent till proven guilty.

And occasionally innocent when found guilty. The judicial system has flaws.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:13 pm

Grumps wrote:Has either been found guilty?

No, and only one has been accused of and charged with a criminal offence.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:14 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:No, and only one has been accused of and charged with a criminal offence.

Correct....

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:16 pm

Grumps wrote:Correct....

See we agree that there's no comparison then?

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:16 pm

ClaretTony wrote:He ruined the Crewe/Gradi thread with his nonsense and is now trying to ruin this one.

How was it ruined? Its a discussion,you dont agree with me,but others do, i thought that was the idea of discussing things, do we all have to agree with you?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:18 pm

Grumps wrote:How was it ruined? Its a discussion,you dont agree with me,but others do, i thought that was the idea of discussing things, do we all have to agree with you?

No, but some of your comments on the other thread were just downright appalling.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:21 pm

ClaretTony wrote:No, but some of your comments on the other thread were just downright appalling.

Which ones?.....sorry if this is spoiling this thread,but would like to see the reply

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:28 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:Sent forward to Sheffield Crown on Nov. 6th.

he could take in our game at Utd and stay over for the trial

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:45 pm

Grumps wrote:[quote="

No doubt a fracas of sorts took place ,though I’d imagine Joey ( who can come across highly articulate ) will sway the jury .

Thats ok then....good lad joey[/quote]

Barton’s ability to sway a Jury ( or not) will be the decision of the ..erm Jury, who I’m sure will be presented with all the facts in which to base their judgment .

ChorltonCharlie · Post by **ChorltonCharlie** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:44 pm

Obviously more details to come out, but he’s been charged for allegedly pushing him from behind and that caused Stengel to damage his tooth. Even if he did it, it does sound like a charge they’ve only followed through with because it’s Joey Barton. I’m sure for over 99% of football people they wouldn’t have pursued this. Not excusing Barton (if guilty) by any means.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:01 pm

ClaretTony wrote:He ruined the Crewe/Gradi thread with his nonsense and is now trying to ruin this one.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:28 pm

tim_noone wrote:

Why is that so funny?

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:30 pm

Grumps wrote:Which ones?.....sorry if this is spoiling this thread,but would like to see the reply

Quick to jump on me, but slow to respond...... As a result of the accusations I re read all my posts... Sad I know..... And cannot see any as tony describes
Other than saying it was accepted behaviour at the time, I must have said 50 times it was wrong.... I will sit back and wait..... At least I never resorted to calling anyone dumb, or lacking in decency

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:32 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Why is that so funny?

Probably because he doesn't agree with post and finds it funny?

theroyaldyche · Post by **theroyaldyche** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:33 pm

Grumps wrote:Surprised that certain people haven't jumped on here saying what a disgusting individual he is, or does that not apply to ex burnley hero's

Barton is a clarets legend

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:38 pm

Grumps wrote:Probably because he doesn't agree with post and finds it funny?

He finds it funny that you thought sexual abuse was once acceptable?

Righto then.

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:39 pm

#free joey

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:48 pm

fidelcastro wrote:He finds it funny that you thought sexual abuse was once acceptable?

Righto then.

Why Carnt people grasp that it's not me saying it's acceptable, it was society at the time, if you even bothered to read my posts you'd see I said many many times it was WRONG... so please don't tell lies about me

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:54 pm

Grumps wrote:Why Carnt people grasp that it's not me saying it's acceptable, it was society at the time, if you even bothered to read my posts you'd see I said many many times it was WRONG... so please don't tell lies about me

I've just asked my parents.

They don't remember the sexual abuse of youngsters being accepted by society either.

Still, if that's how you remember it...

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:55 pm

fidelcastro wrote:He finds it funny that you thought sexual abuse was once acceptable?

Sadly it was. From initiation ceremonies to downright groping. Nobody reported it even though you didn’t agree with it. Thankfully now children are taught very young what is and is not acceptable. The trouble being the paedo/bully seems to know which kids they can get away with it. At least we are going in the right direction.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:59 pm

fidelcastro wrote:I've just asked my parents.

They don't remember the sexual abuse of youngsters being accepted by society either.

Still, if that's how you remember it...

Perhaps they never went in a football or cricket dressing room? Because that's what's being discussed
It also depends on their definition of sexual abuse

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:01 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:Sadly it was. From initiation ceremonies to downright groping. Nobody reported it even though you didn’t agree with it. Thankfully now children are taught very young what is and is not acceptable. The trouble being the paedo/bully seems to know which kids they can get away with it. At least we are going in the right direction.

Precisely, accepted by society, but wrong, though iam being abused for bringing it to people's attention

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:04 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:Sadly it was. From initiation ceremonies to downright groping. Nobody reported it even though you didn’t agree with it. Thankfully now children are taught very young what is and is not acceptable. The trouble being the paedo/bully seems to know which kids they can get away with it. At least we are going in the right direction.

Precisely, accepted by society, but wrong, though iam being abused for bringing it to people's attention

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:19 pm

Sexual abuse of children was never EVER acceptable , you’d think to read some people’s posts that the 70/80’s/90’s were some free for all with n0nces cheerfully warned with a cheeky wink and lascivious grin .

They got away with it in public institutions/clubs etc as there was no proper vetting procedures or even a hint of modern technology /dna or effective reporting and investigation procedures .

Though I can’t deny that the same time period was far more “ gropey” and sexualised towards women in general.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:25 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:Sexual abuse was never EVER acceptable , you’d think to read some people’s posts that the 70/80’s/90’s were some free for all with n0nces cheerfully warned with a cheeky wink and lascivious grin .

They got away with it in public institutions/clubs etc as there was no proper vetting procedures or even a hint of modern technology /dna or effective reporting and investigation procedures .

If it wasn't accepted, why did 1000s of people put up with it without complaint. It was mainly team mates... Having a laugh.... As I've said many times, it was wrong, but it happened, people expected it to happen, hence acceptable. Ask any ex burnley pro of the time, they'll tell tales of dressing room behaviour

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:30 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:Sexual abuse of children was never EVER acceptable ,.

Not as defined then. As defined now. For those who are struggling with this concept, think of homosexuality. Consensual sex has never been illegal. Just depends on what was defined as legal then and now.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:54 pm

thatdberight wrote:Not as defined then. As defined now. For those who are struggling with this concept, think of homosexuality. Consensual sex has never been illegal. Just depends on what was defined as legal then and now.

I think it just you and me who can grasp the facts

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:04 pm

Are you trying to **** up every thread you post on? This is getting tedious.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:25 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:Are you trying to **** up every thread you post on? This is getting tedious.

No wonder people complain about this board being a clique

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:28 pm

ClaretTony wrote:No, but some of your comments on the other thread were just downright appalling.

Still waiting for you to point out which particular posts you are referring to........

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:29 pm

I'm not in any clique, but I'll call trolling out when I see it. Anyway, I'll ignore you from now on.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:44 pm

Grumps wrote:Why Carnt people grasp that it's not me saying it's acceptable, it was society at the time, if you even bothered to read my posts you'd see I said many many times it was WRONG... so please don't tell lies about me

I've read most of this now.
How Joey Barton's possible misbehaviour, and acknowledged sexual abuse of young footballers can share the same thread (let alone be compared to each other) is beyond me.

Grumps, aren't you missing the point? Sexual abuse has never been acceptable, possibly covered up by authorities for whatever reason, but not acceptable.
Ask the victims.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:52 pm

boatshed bill wrote:I've read most of this now.
How Joey Barton's possible misbehaviour, and acknowledged sexual abuse of young footballers can share the same thread (let alone be compared to each other) is beyond me.

Grumps, aren't you missing the point? Sexual abuse has never been acceptable, possibly covered up by authorities for whatever reason, but not acceptable.
Ask the victims.

It was the innocent till proven guilty idea which I started, but don't let the truth get in the way

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:53 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:I'm not in any clique, but I'll call trolling out when I see it. Anyway, I'll ignore you from now on.

Trust me, I won't miss you

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:01 pm

Grumps wrote:

It was the innocent till proven guilty idea which I started, but don't let the truth get in the way

I'm more concerned with your ascertation that just because something (in this case sexual abuse) does not get reported to the correct authorities, then it appears to you to have been acceptable.
I suppose you'd say the same about the Magdalene laundries?

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:15 pm

[quote="boatshed bill"]I'm more concerned with your ascertation that just because something (in this case sexual abuse) does not get reported to the correct authorities, then it appears to you to have been acceptable.
I suppose you'd say the same about the Magdalene laundries?[

no idea what youre on about, unless you were in a football or cricket dressing room at the time in question,you wont know whats being discussed,or apparently have the ability to see what was happening listening to reports of those who were
I repeat,just in case youre struggling......IT WAS WRONG....Got it? It was different times, weve moved on......you do know at one time it was deemed acceptable to drown women, but guess what, we moved on,evolved......

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:21 pm

ClaretTony wrote:No, but some of your comments on the other thread were just downright appalling.

For the third time....which ones?.....whats the betting i get banned now

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:28 pm

Grumps wrote:For the third time....which ones?.....whats the betting i get banned now

You will be waiting a long time for an answer. Ive still some questions from 2005 unanswered.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:30 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:You will be waiting a long time for an answer. Ive still some questions from 2005 unanswered.

And some say its not a clique