We are unique

[Tricky Trevor]

Good article on Sky.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... now-unique" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Jakubs Tash]

I like this paragraph.....

"Of the 14 teams to have been in the Premier League for the past four seasons, Burnley have made the fewest errors leading to shots and the fewest errors leading to goals. To illustrate how damaging it can be to unsuccessfully attempt to play expansive football, Fulham made more errors leading to shots in one season than Burnley have in four. They did not last long."

[Chester Perry]

That article ties in closely with these comments by Aidy Boothroyd on Dyche's flexible approach

https://trainingground.guru/articles/bo ... ll-manager" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[FactualFrank]

The main benefit of passing it out from the back is that when you eventually get to the opposition's final 3rd, most of your men are up there too, so you have more attacking power, as there's been a slow build up. Whereas long/direct play means you often don't have as many there - but that also helps us, as it means we're back into position quickly.

Anybody who knows much about football should know why we play the way we do. I agree with Neville who suggests teams feel pressured into passing it out from the back. And for many teams, they aren't good enough to do it, but they do it as it looks more attractive/skillful and it'll often mean dropping points in the process.

[Steve1956]

I like this paragraph.....

"Of the 14 teams to have been in the Premier League for the past four seasons, Burnley have made the fewest errors leading to shots and the fewest errors leading to goals. To illustrate how damaging it can be to unsuccessfully attempt to play expansive football, Fulham made more errors leading to shots in one season than Burnley have in four. They did not last long."

Amazing stat,I love our club.

[houseboy]

An excellent read. I still can't get my head around the arrogance of managers and fans of other clubs criticising another teams tactics if those tactics are working. How many times over the last few years have you heard fans moaning about our style while their team sits BELOW us in the league? We aren't City or Liverpool or any other BIG club with money to burn so we play with what we have, it's up to them to beat us or crawl away and re-think their own tactics.

[houseboy]

The main benefit of passing it out from the back is that when you eventually get to the opposition's final 3rd, most of your men are up there too, so you have more attacking power, as there's been a slow build up. Whereas long/direct play means you often don't have as many there - but that also helps us, as it means we're back into position quickly.

Agreed, but the idea of playing long is although you have less players up there in the attack the opposition also have less men back to defend. I remember back in the days of Steve Kindon we played similarly for a while and it worked a treat because he had the speed of an Olympic sprinter, even though he wasn't a particularly skillfull player. Her scored a shedful of goals simply because we played a long ball in front of him to run onto and no bugger could catch him. Style means nothing if you aren't winning but winning without style is still winning.

[MACCA]

Good read, but we dont chant "anti football" when the opposition hits a long pass.

It's more tongue in cheek when we are either beating the opposition, or we have played some decent stuff and we have let them off the hook or not extended our lead.

[BOYSIE31]

Says it all really and fine if winning but horrible when losing

[dsr]

Says it all really and fine if winning but horrible when losing

That's true of all styles of football. I'm sure Norwich fans didn't enjoy their pretty passing against Villa last week.

[NottsClaret]

Accurate article. We only look vulnerable when we've got a corner of our own or a free kick up near their box. Once our shape or 'framework' isn't spot on we can look like mere mortals trying to defend as we race back, but Dyche ensures it hardly ever happens.

[Quickenthetempo]

The main benefit of passing it out from the back is that when you eventually get to the opposition's final 3rd, most of your men are up there too, so you have more attacking power, as there's been a slow build up. Whereas long/direct play means you often don't have as many there - but that also helps us, as it means we're back into position quickly.

Anybody who knows much about football should know why we play the way we do. I agree with Neville who suggests teams feel pressured into passing it out from the back. And for many teams, they aren't good enough to do it, but they do it as it looks more attractive/skillful and it'll often mean dropping points in the process.

It's very rare you can catch a premier league team out who are set and waiting, that's why most like to play the counter attack.

We like to shoot early (all of Ashley Barnes premier league goals have come with him having two touches or less) to catch keepers out.

[Rick_Muller]

subtle reminder from SD perhaps...???

"If I went to a different club with different skill sets, trust me, I'd play a different way"

[Spijed]

subtle reminder from SD perhaps...???

So, SD will leave if he gets offered the Everton job?

[claretburns]

The amount of times I have heard from friends who support other teams or opposition fans on match day after we have won a game, "Burnley are rubbish", "football is awful", "just lump it forward to the big guys up front", I always have a wry smile on my face and think if we're that rubbish and that predictable how did we win the game. I think if anything Dyche's style makes other managers look bad, you knew all last week how we were going to play against Everton and beat them comfortably in my opinion, it seems like all the world knows how Burnley are going to play in games except for the opposition managers who get schooled constantly by Dyche and his staff.

[Tricky Trevor]

An excellent read. I still can't get my head around the arrogance of managers and fans of other clubs criticising another teams tactics if those tactics are working.

Or fans like Stokes who get Pulis binned cos they don’t like his brand of football and then reap what they sow.
And all those other fans who have had mangers canned for not playing the “insert team” way but have empty trophy cabinets.

[Grumps]

Or fans like Stokes who get Pulis binned cos they don’t like his brand of football and then reap what they sow.
And all those other fans who have had mangers canned for not playing the “insert team” way but have empty trophy cabinets.

West ham, still insist on the West ham way..... 1966 was the last time they played that way..... Everton are heading the same way

[houseboy]

Good read, but we dont chant "anti football" when the opposition hits a long pass.

It's more tongue in cheek when we are either beating the opposition, or we have played some decent stuff and we have let them off the hook or not extended our lead.

If you believe the media when Burnley play a long pass forward it's the long ball game but if City or Liverpool or any of the big six do it (or West Ham) it's suddenly becomes an incisive forward pass. Bias is a strange thing ain't it?

[MACCA]

If you believe the media when Burnley play a long pass forward it's the long ball game but if City or Liverpool or any of the big six do it (or West Ham) it's suddenly becomes an incisive forward pass. Bias is a strange thing ain't it?

Not really as Liverpool and City will play far fewer, often to a player rather than into an area or space like we do.

We turn teams around to ease pressure and win throw ins etc in the final 3rd.

It's part of the game plan.
We cant pretend we dont play long ball as we clearly do.

But it's not going to change anytime soon, that's what we do, and we do it well.

[Tricky Trevor]

Liverpool in particular seem to have Mane & Salah chasing balls over the top quite regularly.

[dsr]

There's a lot to be said, if you are a relatively poor club financially, in doing something different from the rest. If you try and sign players who can play the way everyone else plays, then you don't get the best ones. If you try and sign players who play a different way, you can get players like Mee and Tarkowski who the other teams don't want. Mee, in particular, is one of the very best at what he does; if we tried to replace him with the ball-playing John Stones type, we would probably get perhaps the 40th best ball-playing centre half in the league.

[jojomk1]

"If I went to a different club with different skill sets, trust me I'd play a different way"
SD must really like himself
He could have brought in players with different skill sets here couldn't he ?
Also, not the best comment for our players to read, given this could feel like a put down of their own personal footballing skills
Absolutely no doubt, he has done a great job at Burnley, but I haven't seen any evidence of moving this club on from his long ball tactics in all his time here
Outside of this club I would think most people put him in the Allardyce/Pulis bracket
If he is looking to promote himself to potential "bigger" clubs he has to walk not talk
And not make comments like the one above

[GodIsADeeJay81]

We don't play long ball all the time though...

[Jimmymaccer]

No one likes us"..............

I don’t care...................

[Bosscat]

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[MrTopTier]

if we tried to replace him with the ball-playing John Stones type, we would probably get perhaps the 40th best ball-playing centre half in the league.

So we'd end up with John Stones then

[Tricky Trevor]

"If I went to a different club with different skill sets, trust me I'd play a different way"
SD must really like himself
He could have brought in players with different skill sets here couldn't he ?
Also, not the best comment for our players to read, given this could feel like a put down of their own personal footballing skills
Absolutely no doubt, he has done a great job at Burnley, but I haven't seen any evidence of moving this club on from his long ball tactics in all his time here
Outside of this club I would think most people put him in the Allardyce/Pulis bracket
If he is looking to promote himself to potential "bigger" clubs he has to walk not talk
And not make comments like the one above

We won’t pay the transfer fees or the salaries of players with the quality to play that style of football SUCCESSFULLY. We are who we are and he knows it. It is working don’t try and fix it.

[dsr]

"If I went to a different club with different skill sets, trust me I'd play a different way"
SD must really like himself
He could have brought in players with different skill sets here couldn't he ?
Also, not the best comment for our players to read, given this could feel like a put down of their own personal footballing skills
Absolutely no doubt, he has done a great job at Burnley, but I haven't seen any evidence of moving this club on from his long ball tactics in all his time here
Outside of this club I would think most people put him in the Allardyce/Pulis bracket
If he is looking to promote himself to potential "bigger" clubs he has to walk not talk
And not make comments like the one above

Look at how Everton are doing. They play more passing football, and at present aren't playing it very well - but they have spent the money to get the players who can (or apparently can't) do it.

I saw on one of their message boards, a thread assessing whether their players who cost £20m or more were successes or failures. Do you know how many £20m+ players they have got? 16 (Sixteen), as the teleprinter might say.

[Bin Ont Turf]

I'm trying to think of the last time a 'long ball' directly led to a goal for us.

Unless they're turning their noses up at crosses into the box now as well.

[Swizzlestick]

Or fans like Stokes who get Pulis binned cos they don’t like his brand of football and then reap what they sow.
And all those other fans who have had mangers canned for not playing the “insert team” way but have empty trophy cabinets.

Again, Stoke finished consistently higher in the Premier League after potting Pulis. He’s a dinosaur who they were right to want to see the back of.

FWIW, Dyche is nothing like Pulis.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Consistently higher, but only a couple of places higher, right up until it all went pear shaped and now they're nailed.to the bottom of the championship.

If a change in manager had led to them pushing for a European spot then it would've been worth it, but it didn't and now they're worse off and it was rumoured recently they were considering hiring him again.

[superdimitri]

Question is, if we reduce possession in our own half so much how does Ben Mee keep making mistakes?

[Claretmatt4]

"If I went to a different club with different skill sets, trust me I'd play a different way"
SD must really like himself....
If he is looking to promote himself to potential "bigger" clubs he has to walk not talk
And not make comments like the one above

What, like taking us up twice, keeping us up multiple times and getting us into Europe? On a considerably smaller budget at a small unfashionable club? Making us hundreds of millions and funding a state of the art training centre?

He's not exactly been unsuccessful has he? And he's not running his mouth either. Jeez!

[Swizzlestick]

Consistently higher, but only a couple of places higher, right up until it all went pear shaped and now they're nailed.to the bottom of the championship.

If a change in manager had led to them pushing for a European spot then it would've been worth it, but it didn't and now they're worse off and it was rumoured recently they were considering hiring him again.

That was nothing to do with changing the style of play though. Changing the style/manager resulted in consistently higher placed finishes three years running. Bad recruitment took them to the bottom of the Championship. And it appears they were justified re Pulis when you look at his record at West Brom and Boro. Bored of fans being blamed for wanting to see more than functional, inane football week in, week out, as inferred in the original post I quoted.

[AndyClaret]

The main benefit of passing it out from the back is that when you eventually get to the opposition's final 3rd, most of your men are up there too, so you have more attacking power, as there's been a slow build up. Whereas long/direct play means you often don't have as many there - but that also helps us, as it means we're back into position quickly.

Anybody who knows much about football should know why we play the way we do. I agree with Neville who suggests teams feel pressured into passing it out from the back. And for many teams, they aren't good enough to do it, but they do it as it looks more attractive/skillful and it'll often mean dropping points in the process.

I think it's the opposite actually, teams play out from the back to invite a high press, so if you can pass through the press then you can be quickly onto their back four with the team out of shape. Very hard to do, only City can do it successfully.

[Jakubs Tash]

I think it's the opposite actually, teams play out from the back to invite a high press, so if you can pass through the press then you can be quickly onto their back four with the team out of shape. Very hard to do, only City can do it successfully.

Agreed. And this is where the phrase, "Beat the press", comes from.

[Down_Rover]

We won’t pay the transfer fees or the salaries of players with the quality to play that style of football SUCCESSFULLY. We are who we are and he knows it. It is working don’t try and fix it.

I agree except would say cant pay the transfer fees and wages rather wont

Look how many clubs have spent fortunes trying to build a team that play the 'Premier League way' and have failed

Given our financial resources we will never have an expansive team in the Premier League

[BOYSIE31]

That's true of all styles of football. I'm sure Norwich fans didn't enjoy their pretty passing against Villa last week.

But I prefer to watch football played on the grass.

[BOYSIE31]

Liverpool in particular seem to have Mane & Salah chasing balls over the top quite regularly.

There are long balls over to feet or for people to run onto and there are aimless balls pumped anywhere - the latter is mainly us

[TVC15]

But I prefer to watch football played on the grass.

Aye volleys smashing into the back of the net are boring. We should be playing those corners along the grass and doing a series of dummies and fancy flicks - it would be super viewing

[dsr]

But I prefer to watch football played on the grass.

And I prefer it played in the penalty area. Preferably the opposition penalty area, of course - but pretty passing in midfield and at the back is very easy to get bored with, unless done very well and as a means to get it into the penalty area.

[Chester Perry]

4-4-2 from a small club in La Liga is also causing serious upset - a bit different to how we do it, but the commitment and application is winding up the entitled teams/fans - Getafe from TIFO Footbal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMN86nH1vuI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Jakubs Tash]

There are long balls over to feet or for people to run onto and there are aimless balls pumped anywhere - the latter is mainly us

Aimless balls pumped anywhere? Wow. Bit of an extreme and baffling view.

Do you not think if we just played "aimless balls pumped anywhere" that we would be found out at this level and just end up losing heavily every week?

[TVC15]

Because its my club but would also like to actually watch football sometimes.

As Mr Clough once said : If God had wanted us to play football in the clouds, he'd have put grass up there.

“My club”....my arse
Seriously why do you spend so much time and money doing something you don’t enjoy ?
Why would you just not stop watching / following them until they get rid of the manager and bring in someone who will play the kind of football that you seem to think is “proper football” ?

Truth of the matter is that “fans” like you will always find something to complain about - and you absolutely love doing it. Don’t you think that we have all sat next to fans like you ? They are never happier than when they are complaining.
We had someone near us who for years spent the whole game tearing into Robbie Blake. And more recently there was another bloke who hated Danny Ings and criticised him for the whole of that promotion season when he was voted the leagues best player....he was gutted when Ings left as he then needed to find someone else to shout at to fulfil his need to be unhappy at the game and seek attention.

[BOYSIE31]

“My club”....my arse
Seriously why do you spend so much time and money doing something you don’t enjoy ?
Why would you just not stop watching / following them until they get rid of the manager and bring in someone who will play the kind of football that you seem to think is “proper football” ?

Truth of the matter is that “fans” like you will always find something to complain about - and you absolutely love doing it. Don’t you think that we have all sat next to fans like you ? They are never happier than when they are complaining.
We had someone near us who for years spent the whole game tearing into Robbie Blake. And more recently there was another bloke who hated Danny Ings and criticised him for the whole of that promotion season when he was voted the leagues best player....he was gutted when Ings left as he then needed to find someone else to shout at to fulfil his need to be unhappy at the game and seek attention.

And you won't see any of those type of players in a Dyche team sadly

[Spijed]

And you won't see any of those type of players in a Dyche team sadly

Steven Defour?

[TVC15]

And you won't see any of those type of players in a Dyche team sadly

What type of players ?
Danny Ings ?
Nah he would never get in a Dyche team.
Stay off the hooch eh

[chipbutty]

"If I went to a different club with different skill sets, trust me I'd play a different way"
SD must really like himself
He could have brought in players with different skill sets here couldn't he ?
Also, not the best comment for our players to read, given this could feel like a put down of their own personal footballing skills
Absolutely no doubt, he has done a great job at Burnley, but I haven't seen any evidence of moving this club on from his long ball tactics in all his time here
Outside of this club I would think most people put him in the Allardyce/Pulis bracket
If he is looking to promote himself to potential "bigger" clubs he has to walk not talk
And not make comments like the one above

Burnley are probably in their best position ever, ever. And some fans don`t realise that Sean Dyche has lots of reasons to like himself around here!

[dsr]

Burnley are probably in their best position ever, ever. And some fans don`t realise that Sean Dyche has lots of reasons to like himself around here!

Last Sunday, I asked myself the question "do I want Newcastle to lose to Man United because they are at the bottom of the league, or do I want them to win so we can stay ahead of Man United". And then I thought "what a nonsensical question that would have been at any time in my Burnley-supporting career". And then I thought "there can't be any of our fans unhappy with the club and management as it is now".

And then ...

[scouseclaret]

I love watching Burnley under Dyche. I love the fact that we have found a way of playing that can make life really difficult for - and sometimes beat - the bigger clubs, and I love even more listening to them whinge about it afterwards.