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England tonight

Post by Funkydrummer » Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:21 am

Anybody bothering, in the hope of a decent performance ?

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Re: England tonight

Post by tiger76 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:52 am

Nah! i'll swerve tonight WW2 Treasure Hunters is on,no doubt England will romp to victory,probably by 3/4 goals,but Bulgaria are gash,so it won't answer any questions.

I'm curious how many changes GS makes,after that shambles on Friday it should be several,but everyone knows some of the squad are bulletproof,Danny Rose just isn't good enough at this level and is a red card waiting to happen,he's also nearing 30 so isn't going to improve,Declan Rice looks out of his depth,and the CB'S are an accident in waiting,and let's not even mention show-pony Pickford.
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Re: England tonight

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:00 am

You went one further - you created a thread to suggest you won't be watching instead of the people who reply and make the effort to post and say they won't be watching. Fair play! :)

Sure I'll be watching and looking forward to it. We were poor on Friday, but this is still a much more exciting England set up than under any manager over at least the last 20+ years.
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Re: England tonight

Post by Steve1956 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:01 am

Is Tarkowski & Mee playing? If not why?

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Re: England tonight

Post by karatekid » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:41 am

Probably something to do with them not being in the squad.
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Re: England tonight

Post by Spijed » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:45 am

Says it all if Mings gets a game.

Are England really serious about trying to win a major tournament?

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Re: England tonight

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:48 am

Spijed wrote:Are England really serious about trying to win a major tournament?
What would be your starting 11?

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Re: England tonight

Post by Lord Beamish » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:51 am

I haven’t watched an England game since the Semi-Final, last year. Before that I hadn’t seen one in two years. I only watched the Semi-Final out of morbid curiosity.
International Football is pretty dull.

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Re: England tonight

Post by Bosscat » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:59 am

Reading in our paper about Maddison and him going to a Casino when he "wasn't well enough" to play for his country so pulled himself from the squad ... do these bloody idiots not learn ...... He should be binned immediately from any further involvement in anything England orientated ...... will probably keep up with tonights match on my phone while watching far more preferable stuff like Victoria Coren-Mitchell on 'Only Connect'
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Re: England tonight

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:02 pm

Bosscat wrote:Reading in our paper about Maddison and him going to a Casino when he "wasn't well enough" to play for his country so pulled himself from the squad ... do these bloody idiots not learn ...... He should be binned immediately from any further involvement in anything England orientated ......
Only just read about this on another thread. If true then he's clearly a 5 star dickhead and should be banned for ever playing for England.

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Re: England tonight

Post by LeadBelly » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:13 pm

Yes Bosscat; "Only Connect" is far preferable to watching our international footy team. A proper difficult/absorbing quiz show fronted by a delightful presenter.

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Re: England tonight

Post by Spijed » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:16 pm

FactualFrank wrote:What would be your starting 11?
Despite not being good enough at this level, I still think Michael Keane is a far better defender than Tyrone Mings.

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Re: England tonight

Post by AlargeClaret » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:20 pm

Bulgaria are utter gash, I’d expect a stroll in the park very comfortable 0-3 type score with the only question being asked “ will we be any good when we play a top European side”

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Re: England tonight

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:22 pm

I had intended going to the U23 game at Wigan but am going to be stuck in the house again. I’ll try and find something else to do.

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Re: England tonight

Post by Winstonswhite » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:31 pm

Fourth in the World Cup. Third in the Euro Nations. One defeat in ten years in qualifying. Doesn’t stop the moaners though does it? Probably typical of fans of successful club sides all over the country tbh. Can’t imagine many Liverpool or City fans arsed about England either.

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Re: England tonight

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:36 pm

It's certainly fashionable to not like watching England.

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Re: England tonight

Post by Tricky Trevor » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:38 pm

I’m sure Maddison played his chips with his injured leg. There’ll be a photo out there somewhere.
I’ll be watching but not expecting much. Not sure who’s fit but both Chilwell & Cresswell are better LBs than Rose and Charlie will be better than them in 12 months.

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Re: England tonight

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:44 pm

There's a 95% chance that those shouting out that they won't be watching England, are also Vegan.

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Re: England tonight

Post by Jakubs Tash » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:48 pm

I'll buck the trend. I'm an England fan and watch them every time they play.

I'm genuinely baffled that Mings is starting a competitive game when Mee and Tarkowski can't even make the squad. I'm obviously biased...but I just can't find a reason based purely on footballing ability for this.

I also find the England midfield options a frustration. For me, Declan Rice is nothing kore than a run of the mill midfielder and I can't for the life of me see why he is so highly rated. Ross Barkley had been England's stand out midfielder for the past few games and he didn't even start on Friday. Instead there was a midfield of Rice (plodder), Henderson (headless chicken) and Mount (a kid who had an ok season in the Championship last year). England have gone from having an embarrassment of riches in midfield for the best part of 30 years to struggling for options of the required ability at this level. Their forwards are very good and frighten the life out of other teams but until they sort the midfield out they will never be genuine contenders for anything major.
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Re: England tonight

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:51 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:I'll buck the trend. I'm an England fan and watch them every time they play.

I'm genuinely baffled that Mings is starting a competitive game when Mee and Tarkowski can't even make the squad. I'm obviously biased...but I just can't find a reason based purely on footballing ability for this.

I also find the England midfield options a frustration. For me, Declan Rice is nothing kore than a run of the mill midfielder and I can't for the life of me see why he is so highly rated. Ross Barkley had been England's stand out midfielder for the past few games and he didn't even start on Friday. Instead there was a midfield of Rice (plodder), Henderson (headless chicken) and Mount (a kid who had an ok season in the Championship last year). England have gone from having an embarrassment of riches in midfield for the best part of 30 years to struggling for options of the required ability at this level. Their forwards are very good and frighten the life out of other teams but until they sort the midfield out they will never be genuine contenders for anything major.
Is Mings definitely starting? If so, it shouts out to me that Southgate is once again trying players. Friday was never our strongest side and I don't think it was ever meant to be. He's trying players and giving them their chance.

I'm all for it. Sure, we lost on Friday, but only the few select knew that before the game kicked off.

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Re: England tonight

Post by Belial » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:58 pm

Not bothered with England for years, and won't do while they employ these picking players because of status'/transfer fee etc

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Re: England tonight

Post by Tricky Trevor » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:03 pm

In 18 months, from the World Cup semi, we have discarded Walker and Young, Stones is injured and Lingard and Dele Alli have gone to rubbing rags.
The system has been changed, this baffles me as it worked. The replacements are poorer and some regulars are way of normal standard.
Another poor defensive display and Tarks/Mee will get the call. PL performances has to be the over-riding factor.

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Re: England tonight

Post by Jakubs Tash » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:05 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Is Mings definitely starting? If so, it shouts out to me that Southgate is once again trying players. Friday was never our strongest side and I don't think it was ever meant to be. He's trying players and giving them their chance.

I'm all for it. Sure, we lost on Friday, but only the few select knew that before the game kicked off.
All journo's are saying Mings starts tonight. The same journo's that were saying Mount would start on Friday. No issue with Southgate trying players out but on what basis does Mings start a competitive game for England when Mee and Tarkowski can't even get in the squad with their ability and experience?

I agree it wasn't anywhere near the strongest XI England can put out but, apart from Mount, who would you say he was 'trying' on Friday?

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Re: England tonight

Post by Colburn_Claret » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:09 pm

I think we'll play crap and win, although it will ne hard to be worse than the other night. Pick players doing well domestically would be a good start.
I'm at work, so fortunately I'll miss it.

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Re: England tonight

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:15 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:All journo's are saying Mings starts tonight. The same journo's that were saying Mount would start on Friday. No issue with Southgate trying players out but on what basis does Mings start a competitive game for England when Mee and Tarkowski can't even get in the squad with their ability and experience?

I agree it wasn't anywhere near the strongest XI England can put out but, apart from Mount, who would you say he was 'trying' on Friday?
It sounds like you think he played our strongest side on Friday, otherwise you wouldn't have asked that question. So for a start both fullbacks aren't our starting ones - he knows that, everybody knows that. He decided to play Trippier instead of TAA (who is arguably the best right back in the world as things stand). Rose instead of Chilwell. Rice is obviously being tested there, so too is Mount.

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Re: England tonight

Post by SalisburyClaret » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:34 pm

If the players that have come through the U17’s and U20’s gateways keep failing, Gareth is just going to gave to play talented players that gave been performing well against some of the World’s best players in the Premier League for a couple of seasons.

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Re: England tonight

Post by Jakubs Tash » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:38 pm

FactualFrank wrote:It sounds like you think he played our strongest side on Friday, otherwise you wouldn't have asked that question. So for a start both fullbacks aren't our starting ones - he knows that, everybody knows that. He decided to play Trippier instead of TAA (who is arguably the best right back in the world as things stand). Rose instead of Chilwell. Rice is obviously being tested there, so too is Mount.
How does it sound like I thought it was our strongest side? Does the quote, "I agree it wasn't anywhere near the strongest XI England can put out" not give this away?

I agree that Chilwell is the better option at LB. Danny Rose has 29 senior caps so not sure Southgate would need to be 'trying' him out at LB. Rice has played the last 6 internationals too.... Is he still going to be trying him out in his 10th game or 15th game?

Mount was the only player who hadn't started for the seniors.

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Re: England tonight

Post by claretnproud » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:42 pm

at the risk of sounding boring as I have said this before. The great german teams of old had half the bayern munich team in them. It has to be an advantage to have club team mates playing at international level in their countries team. Pope,Mee and Tarks HAVE GOT TO BE WORTH A TRY as our last line of defence.... but its too simple for Southgate who likes to promote himself as clever. SIMPLE IS BRILLIANT so open your eyes Southgate ffs.

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Re: England tonight

Post by Goobs » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:55 pm

Pope
TAA Tarks Mcguire Stones Chilwell
Henderson Barkley
Sancho Sterling
Kane

Would probably be my line up

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Re: England tonight

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:01 pm

Goobs wrote:Pope
TAA Tarks Mcguire Stones Chilwell
Henderson Barkley
Sancho Sterling
Kane

Would probably be my line up
5 at the back vs Bulgaria?

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Re: England tonight

Post by Goobs » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:13 pm

FactualFrank wrote:5 at the back vs Bulgaria?
Was more just a general eleven rather than specifically for tonight as some of them aren't in the squad.

Would be more of a 3 at the back with the two WB's pushing on more.

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Re: England tonight

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:16 pm

Goobs wrote:Was more just a general eleven rather than specifically for tonight as some of them aren't in the squad.

Would be more of a 3 at the back with the two WB's pushing on more.
Well we have shown that we need more than 2 central defenders. Keane, Maguire and Stones just aren't good enough in a pairing. I'd give Gomez a game. He can't do any worse.

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Re: England tonight

Post by Goobs » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:33 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Well we have shown that we need more than 2 central defenders. Keane, Maguire and Stones just aren't good enough in a pairing. I'd give Gomez a game. He can't do any worse.
I'd forgotten about Gomez. Good player.

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Re: England tonight

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:35 pm

Goobs wrote:I'd forgotten about Gomez. Good player.
I do hope he starts tonight.

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Re: England tonight

Post by SalisburyClaret » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:49 pm

Gomez - always a good idea to start with a player coming back from injury who can’t get in his club side
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Re: England tonight

Post by MACCA » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:55 pm

I hope it's not on ITV again, that means double corrie isnt on.

Should have saved the last 2 of " The Capture" for tonight, watching England is boring and frustrating.

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Re: England tonight

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:57 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:Gomez - always a good idea to start with a player coming back from injury who can’t get in his club side
I do hope he starts tonight.

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Re: England tonight

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:58 pm

MACCA wrote:I hope it's not on ITV again, that means double corrie isnt on.

Should have saved the last 2 of " The Capture" for tonight, watching England is boring and frustrating.
Yup on ITV. Corrie will have gone a week before it's shown again on Wednesday - must have been many many years since that happened.

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Re: England tonight

Post by MACCA » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:11 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Yup on ITV. Corrie will have gone a week before it's shown again on Wednesday - must have been many many years since that happened.
They're on series link, so not often I watch live as like to avoid the ads, and they clash with Footy on Mon and Fri, was hoping to sit, relax watch something tonight after my plans.

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Re: England tonight

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:12 pm

MACCA wrote:They're on series link, so not often I watch live as like to avoid the ads, and they clash with Footy on Mon and Fri, was hoping to sit, relax watch something tonight after my plans.
I still watch Corrie but I fast-forward through half of the scenes. For instance, any scene featuring Fiz - nah.

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Re: England tonight

Post by MACCA » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:47 pm

Sons informed me he wants to go training Wednesday and Friday this week... so no tea planned as thought we were going tonight, so that now means probably a take away and the England game.

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Re: England tonight

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:48 pm

MACCA wrote:Sons informed me he wants to go training Wednesday and Friday this week... so no tea planned as thought we were going tonight, so that now means probably a take away and the England game.
What a shame, eh? :)

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Re: England tonight

Post by MACCA » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:50 pm

FactualFrank wrote:What a shame, eh? :)
Well yeah, because that'll be the 4th night on the trott :lol: :lol:

It kind of makes training pointless if at weekend you slurp 20 pints, a curry, a maccies, a kebab and a chinese

Costing me a fortune
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Re: England tonight

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:58 pm

MACCA wrote:Well yeah, because that'll be the 4th night on the trott :lol: :lol:

It kind of makes training pointless if at weekend you slurp 20 pints, a curry, a maccies, a kebab and a chinese

Costing me a fortune
I'm looking after one of my nephews later, so it's pizza for us. Only 3rd night on the trott though. The Indian buffet yesterday was marvelous. I had to walk to the toilet several times though so that exercise burned off a few calories.

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Re: England tonight

Post by Goobs » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:25 pm

MACCA wrote:Well yeah, because that'll be the 4th night on the trott :lol: :lol:

It kind of makes training pointless if at weekend you slurp 20 pints, a curry, a maccies, a kebab and a chinese

Costing me a fortune
Think of all the families of those take away joints that you are almost singlehandedly keeping open ;) :D

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Re: England tonight

Post by MACCA » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:31 pm

Goobs wrote:Think of all the families of those take away joints that you are almost singlehandedly keeping open ;) :D
I do, it gives me great comfort knowing I am helping other people clothe, educate and feed their children.
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Re: England tonight

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:29 pm

Southgate is clearly trying to send the message that he wants you to be playing regularly for your club side. But if the likes of Gomez and Foden are sitting out and the players playing ahead of them are inferior is it the right move?
I'd be tempted to bite the bullet and just bring Foden into the squad now, he's probably going to be a key man for the next 10 years, just get him in there. More worthwhile than picking someone like Delph, who is probably gonna be injured anyway.
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Re: England tonight

Post by dougcollins » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:36 pm

claretnproud wrote:at the risk of sounding boring as I have said this before. The great german teams of old had half the bayern munich team in them. It has to be an advantage to have club team mates playing at international level in their countries team. Pope,Mee and Tarks HAVE GOT TO BE WORTH A TRY as our last line of defence.... but its too simple for Southgate who likes to promote himself as clever. SIMPLE IS BRILLIANT so open your eyes Southgate ffs.

It's not like he never sees them, he actually spends more time at the Turf than any other ground.

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Re: England tonight

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:38 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Southgate is clearly trying to send the message that he wants you to be playing regularly for your club side. But if the likes of Gomez and Foden are sitting out and the players playing ahead of them are inferior is it the right move?
I'd be tempted to bite the bullet and just bring Foden into the squad now, he's probably going to be a key man for the next 10 years, just get him in there. More worthwhile than picking someone like Delph, who is probably gonna be injured anyway.
Foden would walk into England's midfield but he's being babied too much for me. I agree I would bring him in. He has to be in the squad next summer, surely.

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Re: England tonight

Post by Goobs » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:46 pm

Think the way City and England are handling Foden is spot on personally.

GS has pretty much said that whilst Pickford is fit he will be number 1 as he can play out from the back better than Pope, but that Pope was an excellent keeper who doesn't concede many goals or soft goals.

Seems strange to me to prefer a keeper who you think is more likely to concede but maybe that's just me.

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