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Extinction Rebellion

Post by Darthlaw » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:11 pm

Have they blown it today with their protest on the Tube at Canning Town?

Seems a lot of folk are now turning against them, which can't be good for their valid cause.

Personally, I can't get my head around the decision to disrupt public transport let alone the lives of everyday commuters. I thought public transport was part of the solution?
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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Spike » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:13 pm

what a bunch of Wallys

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by aggi » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:23 pm

It's claimed that this was an action against the common consensus of Extinction Rebellion (I don't know how true this is, the below is from a friend of a friend who is involved in them). It's certainly not done them any favours.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:26 pm

Protesting is all well and good for the first day but you soon lose public support.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by NottsClaret » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:28 pm

Bizarre. If they're against public transport, what are they suggesting? Everyone stays at home?

Obviously it's just two guys here, but this is really damaging, they need to police themselves better or they'll lose support quick.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by dsr » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:30 pm

It shows how thoroughly they want us to change our lifestyles, if they're opposed even to mass transport powered by electricity. You'd have thought the Tube was as ecologically sound as any transport we have in this country; if even that is to be shut down ... :shock:

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:30 pm

Seeing some get a bit of a shoeing was a nice start to the day, hopefully they turn the water canons on the rest of them
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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Bosscat » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:35 pm

They want to glue them selves to something ...

Then take the buggers to Barrow in Furness and the Submarine yards...

Let them glue themselves to a Sub about to be tested on its maiden dive.
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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Reckoner » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:40 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Seeing some get a bit of a shoeing was a nice start to the day, hopefully they turn the water canons on the rest of them
I pity you

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:42 pm

Reckoner wrote:I pity you

Cheers, lovely gesture
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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Blackrod » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:42 pm

The environment is a serious issue but people won’t take these protestors seriously. Anyone who climbs on top of a tube train deserves to get killed for being so stupid. When you are a student or on the dole the idea of us all living in the woods using no power is all well and good. The rest of us need to go to work so the benefit cheques and grants can still be funded. People’s patience is wearing thin as you can see.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by jrgbfc » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:45 pm

Can't really see the logic in disrupting trains? Far better than everyone having a car and driving to work.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:50 pm

Whilst I am all for changing our lives to help the environment.

Many changes today I am not sure they are helping, like electric cars and machinery until we have fully renewable electric generation.

I fully support wind turbines and renewables. I think a work group should be put together of volunteers to design a new more efficient wind turbine as the current ones are really flawed in their design.

Allegedly the main protesters are being paid £400 per week to protest.

They are turning the vast majority against them. Which is a shame because done correctly they could actually drive some good changes.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by d1sc0 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:51 pm

Here is a novel idea. Form as a political party. Stand for election. Debate in parliament etc. If enough people agree you will get in.

Not a Brexit debate but it kinda proves the point. Farage has never been an MP however with UKIP was a major influence in getting a referendum in the first place.

We have a democratic and political process. Use it.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:53 pm

d1sc0 wrote:Here is a novel idea. Form as a political party. Stand for election. Debate in parliament etc. If enough people agree you will get in.

Not a Brexit debate but it kinda proves the point. Farage has never been an MP however with UKIP was a major influence in getting a referendum in the first place.

We have a democratic and political process. Use it.

There’s a Green Party, buts that’s been taken over by strange fundamentalists.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Wile E Coyote » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:55 pm

at least they are making a stand, most of us are apathetic slobs who just sit back and take it.
it needs people with the will to stand up against apathy and do nothing governments, otherwise the problems just continue unabated.
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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by d1sc0 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:58 pm

Yes we do have a green party and over the years they have affected change on the inside. And fair play to them for that.

Want my support do it properly. Want to affect decent hard working people just trying to go about there daily lives. Throw the book at them.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Reckoner » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:59 pm

Disrupting public transport was a totally inappropriate form of protest - as pointed out it is one of the things that should be encouraged. I don't think the intention was to protest against public transport but rather just again gain publicity for the message that action is needed. Its backfired today, obviously.

Extinction Rebellion though isn't an organised and coordinated protest group, its a message that is attempting to put climate change at the front of politician's policy making. Individuals cant reverse what is happening it needs coordinated action from governments, and unfortunately that includes governments that focus on their leaders self interest rather than any greater good such as China, Russia and the US.

Its very easy to be critical and throw derogatory terms around like Boris does, but the protestors include a wide cross section of ages and society who want something better for the future generations. The protests may not have any significant effect but at least these people are trying - not something that can be said by the people who find it easy to be critical.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by NottsClaret » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:59 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:at least they are making a stand, most of us are apathetic slobs who just sit back and take it.
You're right, and I was all with them. But taking a stand against public transport, particularly a service used by thousands of working class shift workers in Canning Town seems a really poorly chosen target.
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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:11 pm

Lots of criticism and condemnation from those on the left of politics who generally support action on climate change and quite rightly so as was a terribly conceived stunt to pull.

I think this though illustrates where the left side of politics trumps the right in that it is far less tribal and much more willing to critisise itself when it gets something wrong
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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Billy Balfour » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:23 pm

An absolute massive own goal to target public transport powered by electricity. I'm all for environmentalism, but some of them are clearly going off the rails on a crazy train.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by houseboy » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:24 pm

Bosscat wrote:They want to glue them selves to something ...

Then take the buggers to Barrow in Furness and the Submarine yards...

Let them glue themselves to a Sub about to be tested on its maiden dive.
Boss - that is shocking - are you suggesting we kill them? :lol:
Actually mate I don't know a lot about them but saving the planet is always a good cause in my eyes, but to be fair public transport is often cited as one of the answers so targeting that seems a bit odd. Also I do have a bit of a problem with people who stop others going about their daily (and largely harmless) business. I even have a bit of a heartless view of those who commit suicide by throwing themselves off motorway bridges or in front of trains. I know they are sad and not of totally sound mind but why would they want to cause misery to thousands by their actions?




But to suggest killing the protesters? Boss you are a truly unfeeling, uncaring and .......... oh what the heck, you've always been okay in my book. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by houseboy » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:33 pm

Reckoner wrote:Disrupting public transport was a totally inappropriate form of protest - as pointed out it is one of the things that should be encouraged. I don't think the intention was to protest against public transport but rather just again gain publicity for the message that action is needed. Its backfired today, obviously.

Extinction Rebellion though isn't an organised and coordinated protest group, its a message that is attempting to put climate change at the front of politician's policy making. Individuals cant reverse what is happening it needs coordinated action from governments, and unfortunately that includes governments that focus on their leaders self interest rather than any greater good such as China, Russia and the US.

Its very easy to be critical and throw derogatory terms around like Boris does, but the protestors include a wide cross section of ages and society who want something better for the future generations. The protests may not have any significant effect but at least these people are trying - not something that can be said by the people who find it easy to be critical.
Fair points really. Legitimate protest, especially about the environment, is to be applauded but as you rightly say to disrupt ordinary people from earning their living is not the way to do it. Better that they had tried to disrupt the house of commons (let's face it they could do with something to stir them up). The environment (and population growth) are the biggest single threat to life on this planet at the moment (probably more so than war) and it is good that someone is trying to raise awareness of it but there are ways and means and unfortunately this is not really one way because a lot of their support will evaporate as a result and that would be sad.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:37 pm

I’m genuinely sympathetic to their cause but ******* people off seems a bizarre way to go about it.
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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Wile E Coyote » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:50 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:I’m genuinely sympathetic to their cause but ******* people off seems a bizarre way to go about it.
its all over the news, so they did it right. if we are debating it on a footie messageboard, then so will thousands of others.
Its impactive, and for all those annoyed or inconvenienced by them, so what.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Darthlaw » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:52 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:its all over the news, so they did it right. if we are debating it on a footie messageboard, then so will thousands of others.
Its impactive, and for all those annoyed or inconvenienced by them, so what.
Most are talking about their actions, not their cause.
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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:58 pm

I’d say they have less support now.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Reckoner » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:59 pm

Darthlaw wrote:Most are talking about their actions, not their cause.

Today they are. But climate change is being talked about by more politicians and large organisations partly as a result of ER's efforts to make the issue a priority. They've done more than the Green party and generally their demonstrations have been appropriate so I hope today's own goal ios seen for what it is in context.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by aggi » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:46 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:I’d say they have less support now.
From what I gather, in many ways they're not looking for support, just awareness.

It isn't really the man in the street they're trying to influence. They don't want low level interventions like walk rather than drive, recycle more, etc they believe that the solution to the problem is very significant changes implemented soon and that will require very high level (governments, multinationals, etc) intervention.

I guess it's a form of non-violent terrorism.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Burnley Ace » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:51 pm

Reckoner wrote:Today they are. But climate change is being talked about by more politicians and large organisations partly as a result of ER's efforts to make the issue a priority. They've done more than the Green party and generally their demonstrations have been appropriate so I hope today's own goal ios seen for what it is in context.
Until they talk about it in China then their actions are futile. They protest in the U.K. because they know the police won’t react like those in Paris or Barcelona (never mind Beijing).

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Reckoner » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:05 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:Until they talk about it in China then their actions are futile. They protest in the U.K. because they know the police won’t react like those in Paris or Barcelona (never mind Beijing).
They are protesting in the UK because they are from the UK. I agree it needs countries like China, but the only pressure that can have any effect on China is from governments like the UK, and the UK government will only act if they think it is in their own interests because of domestic opinion. It may be futile but at least they are trying something which is better than watching someone trying something (even if futile) and finding fault. I admire them on the whole - but obviously the tube thing today was inappropriate and self defeating.
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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:20 pm

Reckoner wrote:Disrupting public transport was a totally inappropriate form of protest - as pointed out it is one of the things that should be encouraged. I don't think the intention was to protest against public transport but rather just again gain publicity for the message that action is needed. Its backfired today, obviously.

Extinction Rebellion though isn't an organised and coordinated protest group, its a message that is attempting to put climate change at the front of politician's policy making. Individuals cant reverse what is happening it needs coordinated action from governments, and unfortunately that includes governments that focus on their leaders self interest rather than any greater good such as China, Russia and the US.

Its very easy to be critical and throw derogatory terms around like Boris does, but the protestors include a wide cross section of ages and society who want something better for the future generations. The protests may not have any significant effect but at least these people are trying - not something that can be said by the people who find it easy to be critical.

Me thinks you mis judge them sir.

They have a large financial backing and it’s main organisers and protesters are being paid around £400 per week. The main amount are voluntary but mistake them for being unorganised.

Bear in mind they are organised enough and have enough funds to take the police to court.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by damo_whitehead » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:24 pm

Disrupting peoples commutes will never go down well. Feels like it has now become a class battle

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Bosscat » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:27 pm

Reckoner wrote:
Extinction Rebellion though isn't an organised and coordinated protest group,
For a disorganised un-coordinated group they have huge funding and organisation then :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Right_winger » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:32 pm

Bunch of nut jobs who are being used as puppets.
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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by damo_whitehead » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:36 pm

The most ridiculous thing I saw today was a woman who had glued herself to a train saying, "we are not here to disrupt the trains".... erm...
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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by evensteadiereddie » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:38 pm

Says Rightwinger with not even a hint of irony.
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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Reckoner » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:38 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Me thinks you mis judge them sir.

They have a large financial backing and it’s main organisers and protesters are being paid around £400 per week. The main amount are voluntary but mistake them for being unorganised.

Bear in mind they are organised enough and have enough funds to take the police to court.

Daily Mail perhaps?

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by aggi » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:05 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Me thinks you mis judge them sir.

They have a large financial backing and it’s main organisers and protesters are being paid around £400 per week. The main amount are voluntary but mistake them for being unorganised.

Bear in mind they are organised enough and have enough funds to take the police to court.
Have you got a link to this? Being in London I've followed this reasonably closely and know some people involved and I haven't heard anything along these lines.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by dougcollins » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:06 pm

I have sympathy with the general principles, but I always thought if the Green Party ever took power you would really find out what loss of freedom is about. I won't go as far as to say Fascist.

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Post by Bosscat » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:10 pm

dougcollins wrote:I won't go as far as to say Fascist.
You just did ;)
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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Inchy » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:10 pm

Why are they targeting members of the public during their disruptions.

What if there was a paediatric cardiac surgeon who was on his way on to work to provide life saving surgery to a young child, only to be delayed because of some muppets.

Target the oil and gas companies and the government. Not ordinary folk trying to get to work
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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by cbx750 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:12 pm

aggi wrote:Have you got a link to this? Being in London I've followed this reasonably closely and know some people involved and I haven't heard anything along these lines.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/e ... p-20547064" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by claret3561 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:12 pm

They should all be threatened with jobs. Personally I can't wait to lye basking on some remote scottish beach in temperatures of 35°

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by dougcollins » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:17 pm

Bosscat wrote:You just did ;)
Oops.It was a silent 'Fascist'.
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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Bosscat » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:27 pm

claret3561 wrote:They should all be threatened with jobs. Personally I can't wait to lye basking on some remote scottish beach in temperatures of 35°
I wondered why Steve1956 went North ;)

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Top Claret » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:31 pm

Feckin morons each and every one of them, they need to get a life a wash and a job.
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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:37 pm

aggi wrote:Have you got a link to this? Being in London I've followed this reasonably closely and know some people involved and I haven't heard anything along these lines.
An unorganised group with no finance eh.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/p ... 64301.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by gtclaret » Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:45 pm

d1sc0 wrote:Here is a novel idea. Form as a political party. Stand for election. Debate in parliament etc. If enough people agree you will get in.

Not a Brexit debate but it kinda proves the point. Farage has never been an MP however with UKIP was a major influence in getting a referendum in the first place.

We have a democratic and political process. Use it.
The problem is, the environment is not a British problem, even winning an election will not stop the environmental damage, they would have to win power in India, China, USA and a lot of the third world

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by d1sc0 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:55 pm

gtclaret wrote:The problem is, the environment is not a British problem, even winning an election will not stop the environmental damage, they would have to win power in India, China, USA and a lot of the third world
Totally agree. I doubt the Arabs do not wish the world to stop burning oil.

We could invest and invent the a power technology that is 'clean' whatever that is and make it cheaper than all the current alternatives. It wouldn't then matter what other countries did they would want what we have. How do you do that?

Stop trains and busses or get into parliament and affect change by getting investment in these areas? Hmmmm

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