Time to get rid of VAR

This Forum is the main messageboard to discuss all things Claret and Blue and beyond
quoonbeatz
Posts: 4488
Joined: Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:03 am
Been Liked: 2560 times
Has Liked: 757 times

Time to get rid of VAR

Post by quoonbeatz » Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:59 pm

before VAR gets rid of football.

thats the worst decision i've seen given by it yet.

appalling. its been proved again that it doesn't work and ruined football already.

damage limitation time for the game now..
These 4 users liked this post: fidelcastro Silkyskills1 k90bfc GDK

claretdj
Posts: 1062
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:35 am
Been Liked: 283 times
Has Liked: 173 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by claretdj » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:02 pm

This is getting beyond a joke now, Evans knocked it in n was never getting back to it n then drops to his knees.. absolute joke n disgusting decision by var team!! :twisted:
This user liked this post: SussexDon1inIreland

TVC15
Posts: 8211
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:09 pm
Been Liked: 3321 times
Has Liked: 601 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by TVC15 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:02 pm

Completely agree
It was an f’in disgrace and the fact that someone is checking this and still making that decision makes it even worse.
It is ruining the game and if it continues I can take or leave watching it....which I never thought I would say in my life.
This user liked this post: SussexDon1inIreland

Claretmatt4
Posts: 3946
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:31 am
Been Liked: 1049 times
Has Liked: 723 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Claretmatt4 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:02 pm

Agree it was a terrible decision. Especially as it overturned what was given as a goal (rather than giving a goal when it was ruled a foul on the pitch)

Too early to say get rid. it's make some good decisions and it's not like we didn't get **** refs decisions before. The painful thing is they had time to watch it back and still made the wrong call.

Rileybobs
Posts: 16681
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:37 pm
Been Liked: 6891 times
Has Liked: 1471 times
Location: Leeds

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:03 pm

I tend to agree. It really hasn’t added anything to the game but judging ‘level’ offside decisions one way or the other.

The decision today was definitely the worst use of VAR so far this season.

ALP
Posts: 1146
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:16 am
Been Liked: 1464 times
Has Liked: 387 times
Contact:

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by ALP » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:03 pm

That decision was dreadful, talk about IFFY decisions, that is the worst I've seen

Lancasterclaret
Posts: 23343
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:09 pm
Been Liked: 8058 times
Has Liked: 4714 times
Location: Riding the galactic winds in my X-wing

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Lancasterclaret » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:04 pm

Rileybobs wrote:I tend to agree. It really hasn’t added anything to the game but judging ‘level’ offside decisions one way or the other.

The decision today was definitely the worst use of VAR so far this season.
I think its good on the marginal offsides, but anything that isn't clear and obvious shouldn't be changed.

thelaughingclaret
Posts: 900
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:23 pm
Been Liked: 291 times
Has Liked: 99 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by thelaughingclaret » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:04 pm

VAR is wanted by the big six and it’s wanted by the TV companies. It is here to stay and will only get worse. The premier league isn’t dictated by what actual fans at the game wants, it’s dictated by what fans in the Far East and if they live VAR whilst they watch the primer league with their rice then it isn’t going anywhere. More VAR and more stupid kick off times is the future. And lots more bias and made up ‘fairy tale’ stories about how perfect and great Leicester city are.

jrgbfc
Posts: 8420
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:30 pm
Been Liked: 2097 times
Has Liked: 336 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:04 pm

No chance of them getting rid of it now. Would mean the powers that be admitting they've made a mistake.

quoonbeatz
Posts: 4488
Joined: Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:03 am
Been Liked: 2560 times
Has Liked: 757 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by quoonbeatz » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:05 pm

the thing is tht even under the 'VAR' rules, its only supposed to overturn clear and obvious errors, which this wasn't.

Rileybobs
Posts: 16681
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:37 pm
Been Liked: 6891 times
Has Liked: 1471 times
Location: Leeds

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:06 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I think its good on the marginal offsides, but anything that isn't clear and obvious shouldn't be changed.
I agree that it has been used well to judge marginal offsides. But the point I’m making is that those offsides are so close that I really wouldn’t mind them going with the linesmens call as they did before VAR. I was never upset if we conceded a goal by a player who was an inch offside.

Lowbankclaret
Posts: 6571
Joined: Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:42 pm
Been Liked: 1233 times
Has Liked: 56 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:06 pm

I was a massive fan of VAR coming in.
I in my naive mind thought that it would be used to overturn obvious mistakes.

In fact it’s being used in positive discrimination against Burnley.

It’s a disgrace.

Court action should follow.

Longside4evr
Posts: 2502
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:34 am
Been Liked: 519 times
Has Liked: 266 times
Location: Malaga Spain

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Longside4evr » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:07 pm

Moss could have looked at it but chose not to and let the men at Stockley Park make it easy for him
This user liked this post: k90bfc

Texanclaret16
Posts: 176
Joined: Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:34 pm
Been Liked: 34 times
Has Liked: 31 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Texanclaret16 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:08 pm

VAR can stay for offisides but nothing more they clearly don’t know how to use it. The rules around it are far to vague and unclear and complicated, if I am not mistaken it was brought it to cut out errors not create them the after mass of this and view of media on this will be interesting hope SD says it how it is in his interview and doesn’t sugar coat it.

wilks_bfc
Posts: 11410
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:33 pm
Been Liked: 3170 times
Has Liked: 1848 times
Contact:

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by wilks_bfc » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:08 pm

Is it a single person checking the decisions at all the games or does each game have their own VAR ref

There should be a panel of ex players, ref & managers watching each game. At least then there would be some consensus

Rileybobs
Posts: 16681
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:37 pm
Been Liked: 6891 times
Has Liked: 1471 times
Location: Leeds

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:08 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:the thing is tht even under the 'VAR' rules, its only supposed to overturn clear and obvious errors, which this wasn't.
That’s the big one for me. If Moss disallows that goal in normal time as he thinks Evans was tripped then I’d accept it and chalk it down to bad luck. But we have had the ‘clear and obvious error’ line rammed down our throats for the past few months and there is no way on earth the decision to overturn that goal can be justified.
This user liked this post: Foulthrow

Claretlad
Posts: 1124
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:52 pm
Been Liked: 193 times
Has Liked: 216 times
Location: Burnley

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Claretlad » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:09 pm

The game is corrupt..

Woodleyclaret
Posts: 6887
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:25 pm
Been Liked: 1468 times
Has Liked: 1839 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:09 pm

Moss is a complete joke ,why the fat bxxxxxd still gets top games is beyond me

quoonbeatz
Posts: 4488
Joined: Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:03 am
Been Liked: 2560 times
Has Liked: 757 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by quoonbeatz » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:10 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Moss is a complete joke ,why the fat bxxxxxd still gets top games is beyond me
moss got it spot on.

Bordeauxclaret
Posts: 10272
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:36 pm
Been Liked: 3327 times
Has Liked: 1938 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:12 pm

The problem is the same morons who made all the previous errors are in charge of the decisions on camera.
These 2 users liked this post: Long Time Lurker Woodleyclaret

Tall Paul
Posts: 7170
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:07 am
Been Liked: 2560 times
Has Liked: 690 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Tall Paul » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:12 pm

I think they must have discussed the use of VAR over the international break and changed the way they're implementing it. Villa apparently also had a goal disallowed for a foul today and I believe these are the first two instances of VAR overturning the on field officials' decisions apart from offside or handball.

Hibsclaret
Posts: 3939
Joined: Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:00 pm
Been Liked: 1233 times
Has Liked: 490 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Hibsclaret » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:13 pm

I’ve mentioned a few times on here that if the officials don’t understand the game you have no chance with VAR...unfortunately that gets proven every week.

There really is no excuse for ruling that goal out for anyone that understands the game...

Hibsclaret
Posts: 3939
Joined: Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:00 pm
Been Liked: 1233 times
Has Liked: 490 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Hibsclaret » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:15 pm

Tall Paul wrote:I think they must have discussed the use of VAR over the international break and changed the way they're implementing it. Villa apparently also had a goal disallowed for a foul today and I believe these are the first two instances of VAR overturning the on field officials' decisions apart from offside or handball.
Could be, however, surely the clear and obvious rule should be applied...there is no way it is a clear and obvious error to give that goal

Lowbankclaret
Posts: 6571
Joined: Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:42 pm
Been Liked: 1233 times
Has Liked: 56 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:15 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I think its good on the marginal offsides, but anything that isn't clear and obvious shouldn't be changed.
It’s just going to be discussed on Sky.

fidelcastro
Posts: 7235
Joined: Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:45 pm
Been Liked: 2194 times
Has Liked: 2175 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:16 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:moss got it spot on.
Make your mind up!

You'd just said it was the worst use of VAR yet.

:?

Edit: ignore me, moss was the on field ref, who correctly gave the goal at the time. :oops:
Last edited by fidelcastro on Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.

NottsClaret
Posts: 3576
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:05 am
Been Liked: 2588 times
Has Liked: 1 time

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by NottsClaret » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:17 pm

Honestly prefer watching my non league side now, purely down to VAR. I’ll still go to Burnley for family/ social reasons but the game with VAR leaves me cold.

And I was saying this before it came in, let alone today’s events. It’s just for geeks, stat weirdos and arm chair morons.

martin_p
Posts: 10368
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:40 pm
Been Liked: 3764 times
Has Liked: 696 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by martin_p » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:17 pm

I haven’t seen it yet but Gary Lineker has called it ‘decidedly iffy’ on Twitter, that’s all I need to know.
This user liked this post: Hibsclaret

clansman
Posts: 918
Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:18 pm
Been Liked: 322 times
Has Liked: 89 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by clansman » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:18 pm

Agree with Notts today really has seen VAR hit the low point and it has ruined the game
This user liked this post: fidelcastro

jrgbfc
Posts: 8420
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:30 pm
Been Liked: 2097 times
Has Liked: 336 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:21 pm

Maybe if in the past managers had accepted bad refereeing decisions a bit more gracefully then we wouldn't be in this mess?

martin_p
Posts: 10368
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:40 pm
Been Liked: 3764 times
Has Liked: 696 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by martin_p » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:22 pm

Now I have seen it. What a ******* disgrace!

tiger76
Posts: 25697
Joined: Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:43 pm
Been Liked: 4644 times
Has Liked: 9849 times
Location: Glasgow

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by tiger76 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:24 pm

Longside4evr wrote:Moss could have looked at it but chose not to and let the men at Stockley Park make it easy for him
Moss gave the goal,VAR automatically kicks in when a goal is scored,so we can't blame Moss,it's the men watching the footage that fooked up.

Lowbankclaret
Posts: 6571
Joined: Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:42 pm
Been Liked: 1233 times
Has Liked: 56 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:25 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I think its good on the marginal offsides, but anything that isn't clear and obvious shouldn't be changed.

https://www.skysports.com/football/leic ... ley/408066" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Watch it here

dermotdermot
Posts: 3479
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:50 pm
Been Liked: 660 times
Has Liked: 205 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by dermotdermot » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:26 pm

Testing

Bordeauxclaret
Posts: 10272
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:36 pm
Been Liked: 3327 times
Has Liked: 1938 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:27 pm

Dyche spot on with his analysis.
These 2 users liked this post: k90bfc FCBurnley

clansman
Posts: 918
Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:18 pm
Been Liked: 322 times
Has Liked: 89 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by clansman » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:30 pm

It was a goal. Simples!

Pstotto
Posts: 6224
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:11 pm
Been Liked: 1024 times
Has Liked: 763 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Pstotto » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:31 pm

I've watched it in slow/pause motion on you tube and as the defender is about to kick it away, wood catches his foot and stops him kicking it. From the angle behind the goal (youtube PL footage) it looks as if he could have cleared it, in that case VAR was right.

I haven't seen the action from side on. If the ball was beyond him, it could be claimed to just be a clash and irrelevant. I'd need to see that angle and stop motion the action.

Hibsclaret
Posts: 3939
Joined: Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:00 pm
Been Liked: 1233 times
Has Liked: 490 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Hibsclaret » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:32 pm

Pstotto wrote:I've watched it in slow/pause motion on you tube and as the defender is about to kick it away, wood catches his foot and stops him kicking it. From the angle behind the goal (youtube PL footage) it looks as if he could have cleared it, in that case VAR was right.

I haven't seen the action from side on. If the ball was beyond him, it could be claimed to just be a clash and irrelevant. I'd need to see that angle and stop motion the action.
So it was a clear and obvious then.....don’t think so

damo_whitehead
Posts: 365
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:02 pm
Been Liked: 168 times
Has Liked: 110 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by damo_whitehead » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:33 pm

I travel all over the country spending what money I have following this team. To then get screwed by decisions like that when it's supposed to give correct decisions really sticks the knife in. Really like the idea of VAR but the execution is a joke

Pstotto
Posts: 6224
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:11 pm
Been Liked: 1024 times
Has Liked: 763 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Pstotto » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:35 pm

One needs to see it from side on to be sure, but from the PL youtube footage Wood appears to stop a realistic possibility of clearing the ball.
Last edited by Pstotto on Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:35 pm, edited 1 time in total.

wilks_bfc
Posts: 11410
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:33 pm
Been Liked: 3170 times
Has Liked: 1848 times
Contact:

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by wilks_bfc » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:35 pm

tiger76 wrote:Moss gave the goal,VAR automatically kicks in when a goal is scored,so we can't blame Moss,it's the men watching the footage that fooked up.
Moss has the opportunity to check the pitch side monitor to review his decision.

Saying that I’ve not seen any referee do that yet this season

Claretmatt4
Posts: 3946
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:31 am
Been Liked: 1049 times
Has Liked: 723 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Claretmatt4 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:36 pm

Side on view here. The ball was accelerating away from Evans and no way he catches it 'trip' or otherwise

https://twitter.com/SeanKeyes/status/11 ... 79040?s=19

clansman
Posts: 918
Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:18 pm
Been Liked: 322 times
Has Liked: 89 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by clansman » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:41 pm

It was a goal. Var has cheated us

beddie
Posts: 5133
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:10 pm
Been Liked: 1380 times
Has Liked: 511 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by beddie » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:52 pm

I've only seen the video but Wood only touches Evans as their paths cross, Evans keeps his feet, realises he's probably not going to clear it and falls over, it's called cheating and it worked for him today. I said from day one I don't want var, not just because of today but it's killing the flow of the game.

tiger76
Posts: 25697
Joined: Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:43 pm
Been Liked: 4644 times
Has Liked: 9849 times
Location: Glasgow

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by tiger76 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:01 pm

Interesting insight into the impact of VAR,Liverpool have had an awful lot of luck during their winning run that's for sure.

https://www.sportinglife.com/football/n ... fit/172952

Steve1956
Posts: 17178
Joined: Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:57 pm
Been Liked: 6463 times
Has Liked: 2896 times
Location: Fife

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Steve1956 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:04 pm

One referee is bad enough making poor decisions,but put it in the hands of two and what do you expect.

Steve1956
Posts: 17178
Joined: Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:57 pm
Been Liked: 6463 times
Has Liked: 2896 times
Location: Fife

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Steve1956 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:06 pm

Pstotto wrote:I've watched it in slow/pause motion on you tube and as the defender is about to kick it away, wood catches his foot and stops him kicking it. From the angle behind the goal (youtube PL footage) it looks as if he could have cleared it, in that case VAR was right.

I haven't seen the action from side on. If the ball was beyond him, it could be claimed to just be a clash and irrelevant. I'd need to see that angle and stop motion the action.
Stick to posting Autumn pictures potty,Evans tripped over his own feet :D

Pstotto
Posts: 6224
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:11 pm
Been Liked: 1024 times
Has Liked: 763 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Pstotto » Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:20 pm

I've taken me out of the equation by saying that all the data to make a decision is on a computer and it's for the computer to make the decision i.e. the speed of the ball and it's trajectory at the moment of contact.

This season fouls have been given AFTER the ball has gone, so on that basis no goal. I think that is wrong and needs to be addressed.

Steve, have a look at this! I'm making an artwork called Aquarium Cafe. I took a photo of a smashed glass window front on a shop in town to put it in my picture. When I studied it further, there was a picture of a crook-type in it. I've changed the colour a bit to make it stand out, but other than that it's there, like an 'Elvis seen on toast' phenomena etc.
Mug Shot.jpg
Mug Shot.jpg (282.23 KiB) Viewed 3612 times
Last edited by Pstotto on Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.

clitheroeclaret2
Posts: 396
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:50 pm
Been Liked: 82 times
Has Liked: 205 times

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by clitheroeclaret2 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:20 pm

BBC stats suggest we were worthy of a point today. 4 points between 12 teams says how important it is to get these things right.
Ridiculous some faceless numpty sat in an office somewhere (with a possible agenda) decides the games result

Imploding Turtle
Posts: 19799
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:12 am
Been Liked: 5483 times
Has Liked: 2540 times
Location: Burnley, Lancs

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:20 pm

I agree with the OP. What football needs is more wrong decisions.

tiger76
Posts: 25697
Joined: Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:43 pm
Been Liked: 4644 times
Has Liked: 9849 times
Location: Glasgow

Re: Time to get rid of VAR

Post by tiger76 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:28 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:Moss has the opportunity to check the pitch side monitor to review his decision.

Saying that I’ve not seen any referee do that yet this season
No i haven't seen any PL referees check the monitor,i have seen refs in other comps do this,but for some reason the PL officials are averse to this.

Can i clarify who makes the final call is it the on field referee or the VAR referee,today Moss allowed the goal,and then appeared to be overruled,so it's not very clear who's ultimately responsible.

Post Reply