MotD

[tiger76]

Spurs-Watford now,good job there was no dodgy decisions in that one.

[Tall Paul]

Yep another one that looked clearer and more obvious than Wood's.

Commentator said the bar has been set very high, well it certainly wasn't in our game.

[jrgbfc]

I guarantee if it was down the other end Vardy tripping Ben Mee up the majority of people saying the goal should have stood would be screaming for a foul.

[TVC15]

Watford absolutely robbed by VAR.
Clear penalty not given and dubious to say the least Spurs goal

[Funkydrummer]

What a bloody disgrace in the Spurs match.

Couldn't even get the screen right.

Farcical in the extreme.

[ClaretLoup]

Vertongen ssaults a Watford player VAR backs up a crap referee decision. Evans trips over Wood accidentally the correct decision is reversed.

So what is the actual use of VAR in helping the ref reach the correct decision?

[tiger76]

Watford absolutely robbed by VAR.
Clear penalty not given and dubious to say the least Spurs goal

Not the 1st time Watford have been bitten by VAR,the Newcastle handball goal cost them 2 points,those 4 points could be critical come May.

Shearer now musing why the refs don't consult the pitchside monitor,that foul on Deulofeu is blatant and should have been picked up by one of the officials.

[Wile E Coyote]

i hate lineker, i hate neville, and detest their obsession with big six .
listened to radio 5 earlier and every half hourly bulletin had all the london managers on. the bias is disgusting, and that VAR decision was a travesty.
we were mugged yet again. really bad officiating, and more examples of cheating.

[martin_p]

So in summary, apart from obvious offsides, VAR is making little difference to the number of errors this season.

[Imploding Turtle]

I've just seen that penalty that wasn't given in the spurs game. How the **** was that not given?

[Wile E Coyote]

put simply, VAR is a mess, and slowly ruining the season.

[ClaretLoup]

Where Wood went wrong looking at the Vertongen tackle is that he should have totally cleaned out Evans and the goal would have stood.

[martin_p]

Where Wood went wrong looking at the Vertongen tackle is that he should have totally cleaned out Evans and the goal would have stood.

I’m starting to think his biggest mistake was wearing a shirt with a Burnley badge on it.

[HunterST_BFC]

Strange especially after what Lineker tweeted at the time..........

Maybe they are told to comply for TV ?

It's a shambles - VAR backs refs most of the time regardless how stupid the refs' decision.
Refs ignore the opportunity to review their own decisions.

Not just for us.

It irked me seeing Evans repeatedly shouting "John, John, John" at the ref to get it reviewed. Far to familiar imho - but he did play for ManU
I don't thing anyone else on the pitch or stands thought it should be ruled out at the time.

There should be 2 league tables the second being the VAR Adjusted. (be interested to see how that evens itself up over a season). Only kidding.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

Strange especially after what Lineker tweeted at the time..........

Maybe they are told to comply for TV ?

It's a shambles - VAR backs refs most of the time regardless how stupid the refs' decision.
Refs ignore the opportunity to review their own decisions.

Not just for us.

It irked me seeing Evans repeatedly shouting "John, John, John" at the ref to get it reviewed. Far to familiar imho - but he did play for ManU
I don't thing anyone else on the pitch or stands thought it should be ruled out at the time.

There should be 2 league tables the second being the VAR Adjusted. (be interested to see how that evens itself up over a season). Only kidding.

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[Rick_Muller]

I guarantee if it was down the other end Vardy tripping Ben Mee up the majority of people saying the goal should have stood would be screaming for a foul.

I think you may be correct in stating that. However, the problem is that there is a clear bias appearing for the “bigger” clubs already with VAR, and I had hoped it would have levelled the playing field.

[Woodleyclaret]

There was no contact at all seen on the camera angles
Evans is a cheat and a liar.
He screwed up.
Unfortunately , with useless Jon Moss reffing it was always going to be ruled out
Not wishing to stop a Leicester win on their celebration day also didnt help us
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[bobinho]

Ask Turtle, he will have a perfect response

Has he started posting on football threads now?

Is there to be NO sanctuary?

[ClaretLoup]

There was no contact at all seen on the camera angles
Evans is a cheat and a liar.

Unfortunately , with useless Jon Moss reffing it was always going to be ruled out

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If it helps:

Dyche stated there was contact. VAR ruled the goal out.

[Tall Paul]

I think you may be correct in stating that. However, the problem is that there is a clear bias appearing for the “bigger” clubs already with VAR, and I had hoped it would have levelled the playing field.

Is Brighton a bigger club than Villa then?

There is no bias, just inconsistency and incompentce.

[nil_desperandum]

There was no contact at all seen on the camera angles

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Clear and obvious contact is revealed on VAR but not sufficient to make it a clear and obvious error by the ref and therefore the goal should have stood.
That's the only way we can look at it really.
Evans was not wrong to point out to Moss that he had been clipped. (Mee and Tarkowski would have done the same), but based on the VAR evidence it shouldn't have been disallowed since there was no clear and obvious error, and in any case it was accidental.
Having said that if this had been reversed we would have been looking for a VAR penalty for "contact".
VAR is ruining football. I've never supported the idea except for goal-line technology.

[thatdberight]

"We should have ex-professionals doing VAR"
"Many of the ex-professionals say it was a foul"
"What do they know?"

I love football fans.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

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[Devils_Advocate]

Clear and obvious contact is revealed on VAR but not sufficient to make it a clear and obvious error by the ref and therefore the goal should have stood.
That's the only way we can look at it really.

Ignoring all the over contentious issues around this I think the reason VAR will have judged this to be a clear and obvious error is because Moss will have said he saw no contact and VAR will have deemed that a clear mistake.

If a ref see's the contact and coming together in an incident then it is hard for the video review to show anything clear and obvious to overrule. If like in our case the ref says he didnt see any contact then the video review now shows the ref was clearly wrong.

Note: I am not using this to say VAR was correct but just trying to give a perspective of why VAR was able to overrule the ref in this case when in other Penalty incidents it has not overruled.

Edit: Just to further clarify what i mean I would say that if Moss would have seen the contact but deemed it not worthy of a foul I think there is no way VAR would have overruled

[Tall Paul]

Ignoring all the over contentious issues around this I think the reason VAR will have judged this to be a clear and obvious error is because Moss will have said he saw no contact and VAR will have deemed that a clear mistake.

If a ref see's the contact and coming together in an incident then it is hard for the video review to show anything clear and obvious to overrule. If like in our case the ref says he didnt see any contact then the video review now shows the ref was clearly wrong.

Note: I am not using this to say VAR was correct but just trying to give a perspective of why VAR was able to overrule the ref in this case when in other Penalty incidents it has not overruled.

Edit: Just to further clarify what i mean I would say that if Moss would have seen the contact but deemed it not worthy of a foul I think there is no way VAR would have overruled

That's a fair point. I believe the VAR team ask the referee what he saw and if it's not consistent with what they see on the replays then they can overturn the decision. So if the ref says, I saw contact but didn't think it was a foul, they go with his decision.

That means we can blame Jon Moss after all

[Devils_Advocate]

That's a fair point. I believe the VAR team ask the referee what he saw and if it's not consistent with what they see on the replays then they can overturn the decision. So if the ref says, I saw contact but didn't think it was a foul, they go with his decision.

That means we can blame Jon Moss after all

Yep thats how I think it works and thanks for succinctly summing up my waffling post

[pureclaret]

Someone said Ian Wright did not play for us, I my be getting old and forget things but I thought he did and scored 3 or 4 goals one of them a volley from a steve davis pass

[claretnproud]

Someone said Ian Wright did not play for us, I my be getting old and forget things but I thought he did and scored 3 or 4 goals one of them a volley from a steve davis pass

I seem to remember wrighty getting us a late winner against notts county on the turf but might just be my ageing brain.

[Longside4evr]

What made this even more of a fallacy was way that Vicki Sparks commentates i have to turn the sound off
But last night had to go through her wrenching grinding voice
Pereira had a shot and she screeches Hoooo that was so close Pereira's, shot had gone over the bar by about 4 feet even Pope had relaxed his hands confidently knowing it was way over.
Commentary at its very worst on par with the Sherpa Van Trophy video commentary V Wolves

[wilks_bfc]

What made this even more of a fallacy was way that Vicki Sparks commentates i have to turn the sound off
But last night had to go through her wrenching grinding voice
Pereira had a shot and she screeches Hoooo that was so close Pereira's, shot had gone over the bar by about 4 feet even Pope had relaxed his hands confidently knowing it was way over.
Commentary at its very worst on par with the Sherpa Van Trophy video commentary V Wolves

I didn’t think it was as screechy as usual tbh

[TVC15]

That's a fair point. I believe the VAR team ask the referee what he saw and if it's not consistent with what they see on the replays then they can overturn the decision. So if the ref says, I saw contact but didn't think it was a foul, they go with his decision.

That means we can blame Jon Moss after all

Not sure how it can be deemed clear and obvious when it took so long for people watching replays on TV (sky pundits etc) to realise there had been contact. How many times did Matt Murray who was covering the game on soccer Saturday watch the replay and he was still adamant there was no contact.
Plus how can it be clear and obvious which of Evans or Wood instigated the contact ?

And then you see the absolutely clear foul and penalty Watford should have had and you know that VAR is completely ruining the game because of the idiots in charge of applying it have made up their own little rules which they don’t want to share with the rest of the world.

Rugby Union and the use of TMO puts football to shame.

[IanMcL]

VAR is in disrepute.
Rin by those who only want referees to be right, even when not and who then look at the minutest things to rule out perfectly good goals.

There were clear and obvious pens not given for real flatters and yet Evan's 'felt a touch' and was able to trip himself, a yard later, when he realised he wasn't getting it...and because there was 'a touch' going down by yourself warrants a decision.

How can a real clatter not get something and a touch seemed ok for subsequent cheating be deemed 'correct'?

Cheating imbeciles running the game.

[Rick_Muller]

Is Brighton a bigger club than Villa then?

There is no bias, just inconsistency and incompentce.

Highlighting an exception to a rule does not discount the rule...

[Imploding Turtle]

Highlighting an exception to a rule does not discount the rule...

You've obviously never missed a semi-colon only once in a program.