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ARTICLE: If goals start not being given for that we’re in trouble

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:07 pm

Brendan Rodgers & Sean Dyche on today's game

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Post by ElectroClaret » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:14 pm

Rodgers knows they got out of jail, but won't admit it.
Good display from us against a very good side, I thought.

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Post by RammyClaret61 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:16 pm

Remember when football brought in rules to get more goals scored in games, because they were worried football was getting boring. Well congratulations FA, football is now completely screwed.

Oh btw Brendan, we lost to Liverpool at home 3-0.
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Post by FCBurnley » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:28 pm

Every decision by a ref or by VAR comes down to a human being. Sadly some humans are inferior to others, Some humans are corrupt some are not. I honestly thought that VAR would stop the controversial decisions that have always plagued our beloved sport. I was wrong because it always comes down to an error prone human being and it still pisses me off and makes me feel cheated.
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Post by dsr » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:46 pm

It's important to remember that VAR will be used to spot the tiniest and most technical offences. So at the 13 corners in today's game, if any of them had resulted in a goal, there would have been a check to see that no forward made any sort of pushing or other touching motion on a defender; because even if it was well away from the play, it would be enough to disallow the goal. Similarly, if at any of these 13 corners, and defender had made any sort of pushing or touching motion on a forward, a penalty would have been given. (It was perhaps fortunate that no defender touched any forward at any corner, because they had more corners than us!)

Obviously this will have to happen under VAR. If it doesn't, then VAR will only be used in the case of spectacular falls and exaggerated dives. It would be just like a normal ref, in fact. :evil:

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Post by Stproc » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:59 pm

I said last year the VAR would be detrimental to the game. It is being manned by the very same people that gave all the **** decisions last year.
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Post by RammyClaret61 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:05 am

Has VAR eradicated wrong decisions? No
Has VAR eradicated diving? No
Is VAR getting all decisions right? No
Has VAR enhanced the game? No
Is the game slower with VAR? Yes
So what is the bloody point?
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Post by FCBurnley » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:55 am

RammyClaret61 wrote:Has VAR eradicated wrong decisions? No
Has VAR eradicated diving? No
Is VAR getting all decisions right? No
Has VAR enhanced the game? No
Is the game slower with VAR? Yes
So what is the bloody point?
It gives IT a reason to be even more stupid than he usually is

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Post by tim_noone » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:06 am

FCBurnley wrote:It gives IT a reason to be even more stupid than he usually is
But tbf....motd pundits? Confirm otherwise.

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Post by NottsClaret » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:06 am

Some like it, some don’t. I’m not as arsed about watching Premier League football anymore. Nobody died if you got a decision ‘wrong’ but every moment now is a bit less exciting. That’s cool, but it’s not for me. It’s as boring as rugby all of a sudden.
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Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:53 am

I’m even more raging this morning than I was leaving the ground yesterday.
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Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:21 am

How does Dyche keep his calm in these interviews? An absolute credit to the club and the league.
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Post by Croydon Claret » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:29 am

How long before defenders routinely start diving, claiming they were impeded in order to stop play or get goals rules out?

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Post by MDWat » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:47 am

NottsClaret wrote:Some like it, some don’t. I’m not as arsed about watching Premier League football anymore. Nobody died if you got a decision ‘wrong’ but every moment now is a bit less exciting. That’s cool, but it’s not for me. It’s as boring as rugby all of a sudden.
This, this, this. I’m pretty close to giving up going to away games now. I’m not spending my hard earned cash on something that isn’t even enjoyable anymore. What’s the point? If it carries on like this, I’m pretty convinced I won’t want to watch it at all. It’s boring.

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Post by jrgbfc » Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:31 am

NottsClaret wrote:Some like it, some don’t. I’m not as arsed about watching Premier League football anymore. Nobody died if you got a decision ‘wrong’ but every moment now is a bit less exciting. That’s cool, but it’s not for me. It’s as boring as rugby all of a sudden.
Tbh I'm starting to enjoy watching Colne FC more and more. It's not all down to VAR by any means, theres lots of things about being in the Prem that I'm quickly getting very bored with.

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Post by claret wizard » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:12 pm

MDWat wrote:This, this, this. I’m pretty close to giving up going to away games now. I’m not spending my hard earned cash on something that isn’t even enjoyable anymore. What’s the point? If it carries on like this, I’m pretty convinced I won’t want to watch it at all. It’s boring.
Yep, that was my first away game this season. I normally go to around 12 away matches. I doubt I will this season, VAR as it’s being used now is producing a far inferior match day experience. Maybe for the armchair fan it’s good, but not in the ground. Yesterdays decision was baffling, no one knew why it was disallowed and seeing it afterwards the two hat in Milton Keynes just seems to have made up the decision as it wasn’t “clear and obvious”. Sheff U and Spurs booked up, but will look closely at other away trips.

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Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:13 pm

I’m getting fed up with it all. At this level you just cannot have game results affected by blatantly wrong decisions....

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Post by Foulthrow » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:43 pm

Why was Vardy’s goal not ruled out? Surely it was the same as Wood’s? I mean he heads it, it’s going in and then he pushes Mee.
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Post by FactualFrank » Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:26 pm

SD is spot on and has put it across very well. We competed well with a team who I think will finish top 4 - possibly 3rd - away. There's only Liverpool and City who we should be worried about facing, that's it.

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Post by elwaclaret » Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:35 pm

Exactly what I feared when Var came in. Football is not basketball. If they do not fix the Var quickly they are going to kill the game.

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Post by FCBurnley » Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:46 pm

One of life’s great pleasures ( there is 1 more) is watching your team scoring a goal and everybody around you celebrating like crazy. Now when we score that has been taken away by var. Even if the goal is allowed the celebration is muted because the moment had passed. VAR really could kill the game for the true fans
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Post by TheFamilyCat » Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:19 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Rodgers knows they got out of jail, but won't admit it.
Good display from us against a very good side, I thought.
I don't understand why an opposition manager wouldn't comment on it when highlighting it would be for the benefit of the game. It's not as if they're going to lose the points because their manager admitted they got them as a result of a **** decision.

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Post by IanMcL » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:11 pm

The most revealing para from your article.

“We are the cautionary tale today, unfortunately, and we probably need these nasty moments moving forwards. It’s frustrating all round and I thought the officials had a tough game today. I’ve had a look and Jon Moss’s position for the goal is miles away from the play, which is not helpful either.”

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:52 pm

Seriously thinking of arranging a mass boycott of a match I hate VAR That much. And nothing to do with the fact it f**ked us over Saturday. I said last year before it was introduced I wouldn't want it even if it benefitted us. Its ****. Its typical of modern football.

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Post by WalkdenClaret » Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:13 pm

Of course the main problem with this and most other contentious issues is the cheating. Jonny Evans didn't know where to look in his interview on MOTD. He knew he had cheated.

I like the idea of VAR, but the idiots are merely toeing the line, contact was made therefore a foul. We all know that players manage to stay on their feet anywhere but the box. We are now getting defenders going down to gain fouls, it's crap. It's cheating.

Until the FA/refs/Gary Linaker (appalling the way he dismissed Phil Neville by saying "well he made contact. full stop.") wake up and realise that cheating is the main problem, VAR will work.
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Post by tim_noone » Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:54 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Seriously thinking of arranging a mass boycott of a match I hate VAR That much. And nothing to do with the fact it f**ked us over Saturday. I said last year before it was introduced I wouldn't want it even if it benefitted us. Its ****. Its typical of modern football.
Var Out Man! That's a good Idea...
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Post by claptrappers_union » Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:11 am

We should just start watching these eSports instead. That’s what people want it seems
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Post by Blackrod » Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:24 am

I ll remember not to cheer when we score next at Turf Moor in case VAR need to check it first. Now imagine if everyone does that and what it will do for atmosphere. Why not just have a pitchside monitor or big screen we can all see that shows the ball has gone over the line or possibly offside. Factual electronic fact helping the referee. Not a separate room of ‘experts’ take ages to make a decision. Saturday was farcical making a mockery of the game and it’s going the way of American Football with the stop starting.

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Post by NottsClaret » Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:40 am

Hendrick not getting a penalty at Huddersfield, and Arsenal getting one of their offside last minute handballs is 100% preferable to having VAR. I'd rather enjoy football and be grumpy every now and again about a bad decision.
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Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:43 am

WalkdenClaret wrote:Of course the main problem with this and most other contentious issues is the cheating. Jonny Evans didn't know where to look in his interview on MOTD. He knew he had cheated.
This equally highlights the problem refs and VAR is up against. Regardless of the decision that was made Evans did not cheat. There was an accidental clip of Evans heel which caused him to lose his stride, kick his own standing foot and lose his footing completely.

The reason VAR has ended up coming in is because biased managers and fans have moaned and berated referee's for the last couple of decades. I predicted all VAR would do is shift peoples anger and claims of bias and incompetence to a new person and thats what is happening.

Cant stand VAR and thought we were on the end of a bad call on Saturday but unless you guys get some objectivity and balance around ref's decisions you're gonna spend most your time getting angry and upset and not enjoy the game for what it is

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Post by Blackrod » Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:59 am

He felt the feintest of touches and went down imo. It was unnatural and poor sportsmanship.

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Post by Down_Rover » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:20 am

without VAR interventions (ignoring offsides, because they are provable) we would be in 5th place just above Arsenal.

My issue is that I quite enjoyed the post match grumbles in the past and we had a culprit to point a finger at. Now we are being robbed by the anonymous and there is no accountability. At least we could vent our anger at the official on the pitch but now we are left with questioning the motives of these faceless people. This is not what sport is about.

As time passes we now have an image of what a VAR league table looks like. Tottenham are top followed by Man U, then Liverpool then Leicester. Oddly enough just how the media would like it to be

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Post by Tall Paul » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:56 am

Down_Rover wrote:without VAR interventions (ignoring offsides, because they are provable) we would be in 5th place just above Arsenal.
How do you work that out? We'd only have one more point, from Saturday's game.

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Post by Down_Rover » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:58 am

Tall Paul wrote:How do you work that out? We'd only have one more point, from Saturday's game.
+2 at Wolves

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Post by dsr » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:59 am

Down_Rover wrote:+2 at Wolves
The Wolves penalty was given. VAR's failure was that it didn't overturn it.

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Post by Tall Paul » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:59 am

Down_Rover wrote:+2 at Wolves
But VAR didn't give the penalty to Wolves, the on field officials did.

VAR has only overturned 3 decisions all season, other than offsides or handballs.

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Post by Firthy » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:09 am

The biggest disappointment for me is the bending of the rules by the officials and lack of consistency when applying them.

It clearly states that it must be clear and obvious to overturn a decision. There was nothing clear and obvious about the contact, even the pundits disagreed, most said the goal should have stood except for the tossers ON MOTD.

I've watched the clip many times and I'm still not convinced there was any contact, the only thing clear and obvious is that Evans tripped over his own leg.

Until they get consistency in the decision making and get rid of the clear and obvious bias towards the bigger teams then VAR will cause more problems than it solves.

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Post by TVC15 » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:20 am

Firthy wrote:The biggest disappointment for me is the bending of the rules by the officials and lack of consistency when applying them.

It clearly states that it must be clear and obvious to overturn a decision. There was nothing clear and obvious about the contact, even the pundits disagreed, most said the goal should have stood except for the tossers ON MOTD.

I've watched the clip many times and I'm still not convinced there was any contact, the only thing clear and obvious is that Evans tripped over his own leg.

Until they get consistency in the decision making and get rid of the clear and obvious bias towards the bigger teams then VAR will cause more problems than it solves.
Exactly this.
Compare our incident to the very clear and obvious foul by Lindeloff where he was nowhere near the ball (and never had a chance of getting the ball from the angle he was at) and also the very clear and obvious Kane push leading to the Spurs goal and the absolutely blatant penalty Watford should have had.

Forget about what has happened this season or guessing how officials are implementing VAR - there is no way anybody with any sense can argue VAR is working his it was supposed to when you look at the inconsistency between these 4 decisions.
Even if you disagree with the laws the minimum you hope for is consistency and fairness.

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Post by Tall Paul » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:20 am

Firthy wrote:The biggest disappointment for me is the bending of the rules by the officials and lack of consistency when applying them.

It clearly states that it must be clear and obvious to overturn a decision. There was nothing clear and obvious about the contact, even the pundits disagreed, most said the goal should have stood except for the tossers ON MOTD.

I've watched the clip many times and I'm still not convinced there was any contact, the only thing clear and obvious is that Evans tripped over his own leg.

Until they get consistency in the decision making and get rid of the clear and obvious bias towards the bigger teams then VAR will cause more problems than it solves.
While I don't agree with the way VAR is being applied, I think it has probably been applied consistently.

It says it must be a clear and obvious error. I believe that the error in this case was that the onfield officials didn't spot any contact (Moss was a long way behind play by all accounts) and the VAR footage showed that there was.

Any talk of bias is just paranoid nonsense. Two of the only three decisions that have been overturned this season have been in favour of the "smaller" club.

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Post by Colburn_Claret » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:35 am

Firthy wrote:The biggest disappointment for me is the bending of the rules by the officials and lack of consistency when applying them.

It clearly states that it must be clear and obvious to overturn a decision. There was nothing clear and obvious about the contact, even the pundits disagreed, most said the goal should have stood except for the tossers ON MOTD.

I've watched the clip many times and I'm still not convinced there was any contact, the only thing clear and obvious is that Evans tripped over his own leg.

Until they get consistency in the decision making and get rid of the clear and obvious bias towards the bigger teams then VAR will cause more problems than it solves.
All true, but I do think there was contact. Whatever contact was accidental though, and therefore theres just as strong a case or bigger argument, that Evans kicked Wood. How the VAR came to his decision is plain and obvious. He cheated us, he didn't want to pour cold water over Leicesters big day so screwed us. I'm sure he didn't bat an eyelid in doing so. Then you get pricks like Lineker, with his blue specs on, saying it was a foul. Half the Leicester message board said it was a perfectly good goal, and Gallagher as usual defending the indefensible. He goes on Sky every Monday and rewrites the rule book, off the cuff, in order to appear clever. It grinds me because all the questions, we as Burnley fans would put to him never get asked.

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Post by houseboy » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:36 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:This equally highlights the problem refs and VAR is up against. Regardless of the decision that was made Evans did not cheat. There was an accidental clip of Evans heel which caused him to lose his stride, kick his own standing foot and lose his footing completely.

The reason VAR has ended up coming in is because biased managers and fans have moaned and berated referee's for the last couple of decades. I predicted all VAR would do is shift peoples anger and claims of bias and incompetence to a new person and thats what is happening.

Cant stand VAR and thought we were on the end of a bad call on Saturday but unless you guys get some objectivity and balance around ref's decisions you're gonna spend most your time getting angry and upset and not enjoy the game for what it is
I think the point is whether the accidental clip is interfering with play or otherwise.
Was there contact? Yes.
Does that give the player the 'right' to go down? Not if the contact was soft, accidental and he could have stayed on his feet, so he cheated.
Would he have stopped the ball going over the line had he not gone down? Never in this world or any other.

I think this is what many fans, myself included, are angry about, not just in this case but in general. Many younger fans seem to have swallowed the 'right to dive' argument after contact but fail to see that 'diving' is cheating, whether there was contact or not. Players are getting away with it because it has become 'acceptable' and furthermore somehow legitimised by pundits using the term simulation instead of cheating. A player feels the slightest of touches so dives to the floor in order to win a penalty, a free kick or, worse still, get a player sent off, how can that be seen as anything other than cheating?

I think we are all singing from the same book on this generally but it would seem that some have come to accept it as part of the game but it shouldn't be and unless the authorities do something to stop it (I'm not holding my breath) the game will become a competition between two groups and the winner will be the ones who can con the ref the best.

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Post by TVC15 » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:44 am

Tall Paul wrote:While I don't agree with the way VAR is being applied, I think it has probably been applied consistently.

It says it must be a clear and obvious error. I believe that the error in this case was that the onfield officials didn't spot any contact (Moss was a long way behind play by all accounts) and the VAR footage showed that there was.

Any talk of bias is just paranoid nonsense. Two of the only three decisions that have been overturned this season have been in favour of the "smaller" club.
How was it “clear and obvious” when most people did not see it ? And how was it consistent when you see the clear and obvious foul Lindeloff did ?

Whilst I think it is probably more down to incompetence than bias if you look at the recent incidents you could point at them being biased for the “home” team - Liverpool and Mane, United on Sunday, Spurs (both decisions) and Leicester at home to Burnley.

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Re: ARTICLE: If goals start not being given for that we’re in trouble

Post by Tall Paul » Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:01 pm

TVC15 wrote:How was it “clear and obvious” when most people did not see it ? And how was it consistent when you see the clear and obvious foul Lindeloff did ?

Whilst I think it is probably more down to incompetence than bias if you look at the recent incidents you could point at them being biased for the “home” team - Liverpool and Mane, United on Sunday, Spurs (both decisions) and Leicester at home to Burnley.
I've already explained why. The consistency is the way in which the decision is arrived at. The VAR team speak to the referee and ask him what he saw, if the referee's description of the incident matches the VAR footage, they go with the referee''s decision.

So Atkinson says to the VAR team "I was looking right at it, I saw it but didn't think it was a foul" - VAR decision, no foul.

Moss says "I didn't see anything, I was too far away" - VAR decision, foul and no goal.

I don't like it, but I can see how it's been done and why they're doing it this way for what are ultimately subjective decisions.

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Re: ARTICLE: If goals start not being given for that we’re in trouble

Post by TVC15 » Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:07 pm

Tall Paul wrote:I've already explained why. The consistency is the way in which the decision is arrived at. The VAR team speak to the referee and ask him what he saw, if the referee's description of the incident matches the VAR footage, they go with the referee''s decision.

So Atkinson says to the VAR team "I was looking right at it, I saw it but didn't think it was a foul" - VAR decision, no foul.

Moss says "I didn't see anything, I was too far away" - VAR decision, foul and no goal.

I don't like it, but I can see how it's been done and why they're doing it this way for what are ultimately subjective decisions.
I get that - but that’s not what VAR was introduced for - ie to get things consistently wrong.
Plus you are assuming Moss did say this - he could have said that he thought that there was an accidental clash of legs but impossible to say who instigated it so in his view a goal....which is actually the facts of the incident.

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Re: ARTICLE: If goals start not being given for that we’re in trouble

Post by Tall Paul » Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:18 pm

TVC15 wrote:I get that - but that’s not what VAR was introduced for - ie to get things consistently wrong.
Plus you are assuming Moss did say this - he could have said that he thought that there was an accidental clash of legs but impossible to say who instigated it so in his view a goal....which is actually the facts of the incident.
You're right, I am assuming what Moss said, because I think that's the only logical reason that the decision was overturned, given how VAR is being applied in the PL and all the evidence available. If your scenario was what was said then, under the current application of VAR, the goal would have stood.

This is where I'm getting my understanding of the PL's use of VAR from, particularly "If the VAR’s view does not agree with what the referee believes they have seen then they can recommend an overturn" and "VAR should not be asking, "Do I think it's right or wrong?" The question is, "Is what the match officials have done a clear and obvious error?"":
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Re: ARTICLE: If goals start not being given for that we’re in trouble

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:27 pm

houseboy wrote:I think the point is whether the accidental clip is interfering with play or otherwise.
Was there contact? Yes.
Does that give the player the 'right' to go down? Not if the contact was soft, accidental and he could have stayed on his feet, so he cheated.
I dont think he went down deliberately or could have stayed on his feet. If you are running and someone clips you from behind you trip up whether the contact was deliberate or not. I am not arguing that it warranted a foul all I am saying is that in no way did Evans cheat. (no way would people be calling any of our player cheats for going down in this circumstance.)

Next time someone is running down the street past you just clip the back of their heals as they are running and watch them trip and fall over

Again my point is that what chance do refs have of being given a fair hearing if the level of bias from fans lead to Evans being labelled a cheat for that incident.

My other point was just trying to get people to be a bit more balanced and not as worked up about every little decision that doesnt go our way cos you will just ruin your own enjoyment.

Anyhow thats my view and not gonna argue it any further so if people feel Evans could have stayed on his feet and went down deliberately then so be it

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Re: ARTICLE: If goals start not being given for that we’re in trouble

Post by houseboy » Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:01 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:I dont think he went down deliberately or could have stayed on his feet. If you are running and someone clips you from behind you trip up whether the contact was deliberate or not. I am not arguing that it warranted a foul all I am saying is that in no way did Evans cheat. (no way would people be calling any of our player cheats for going down in this circumstance.)

Next time someone is running down the street past you just clip the back of their heals as they are running and watch them trip and fall over

Again my point is that what chance do refs have of being given a fair hearing if the level of bias from fans lead to Evans being labelled a cheat for that incident.

My other point was just trying to get people to be a bit more balanced and not as worked up about every little decision that doesnt go our way cos you will just ruin your own enjoyment.

Anyhow thats my view and not gonna argue it any further so if people feel Evans could have stayed on his feet and went down deliberately then so be it
Hey you old Devil you - I agree with you really I was just saying that I think he could possibly have stayed on his feet and even not he would have had to be Superman to stop that ball going in. Ergo the goal should have stood - as you say. The rest of my rant (for want of a better term) is because of my life-long hatred of cheats in any sport or game. I'm not opposed to refs getting it wrong occasionally for us and I ain't gonna lose any sleep over it but the game in GENERAL is going downhill because of the divers and face holders that are turning the game into some kind of theatre of fantasy.
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Re: ARTICLE: If goals start not being given for that we’re in trouble

Post by Spike » Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:16 pm

Evans has an history of getting away with things! Take the Man U Christmas Party a few years ago!

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Re: ARTICLE: If goals start not being given for that we’re in trouble

Post by nonayclaret » Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:04 pm

if people feel Evans could have stayed on his feet and went down deliberately then so be it

The Evans contact was literally the touching of two boot laces. The contact on Ben Mee from Vardy seemed far greater, but Ben didn't obviously go to the Evans drama school and stayed on his feet. But he could have sprawled flat on his face and Vardy's goal may have been VAR(dyd) off.

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