Man U vs Liverpool

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:20 pm

time to pull the plug on VAR, incompetent beyond belief

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by MACCA » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:20 pm

Darnhill Claret wrote:I’m assuming the goal was allowed to stand as the foul was in the other half of the pitch and probably deemed to be another phase of play. Decisions have to be made although such decisions only add to the confusion.

A foul is a foul, the ref blows. It's a free kick liverpool, what happens after is irrelevant.

Why they arent using the screen at the side of pitch must only be to shift the blame/decision to the VAR

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by FCBurnley » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:20 pm

Both the Burnley goal yesterday and the United goal today should have had the same VAR decision. That is where the game is crooked
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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by IanMcL » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:21 pm

The foul was right in front of Atkinson. He decided no foul. Right or wrong, that is the end if it, as it was up the pitch. Happens all the time. Goal should count.
Liverpool, arm helped, inadvertently, to control the ball. No goal.

Tough life.
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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by LordBob » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:22 pm

I think we are all agreed if that United goal stands then so should ours I'm listening to 5 live Savage is making reference to Watfords VAR he hasn't mentioned what happened at the King Power and I doubt if he will.

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by BigF » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:22 pm

The idea of VAR is a good one but the people operating it and making the decisions are really poor. Why cannot the refs use the pitch-side screens.

also wonder why the decisions cannot latter be explained so that we supporters can understand why the decisions were made.
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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by taio » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:23 pm

Texanclaret16 wrote:Wow this VAR is unreal my thoughts are that it’s only a handball if it’s deliberate or your arm is in a unnatural position for me I’m not sure if his arm was in a unnatural position and it definitely wasn’t deliberate I’ve played football for 30 years plus and there is no way you can get your arm/hand away sometimes yet again controversial decision for me could have gone 50/50 if it was a defender would a pen be given hmmmmmm not sure but at least it’s livened up a very poor game Liverpool have looks $hit
It doesn't have to be deliberate for it to be a foul.

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by TVC15 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:24 pm

Loads of reasons why they did not give a foul.
Infact about 78,000 reasons

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by GDK » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:25 pm

VAR got most things wrong yesterday but it did get those two decisions correct.

Still want it scrapped immediately though, we may as well just flip a coin for each VAR call.

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:25 pm

taio wrote:I'd say there was a difference. Today's was a foul.
There was contact in both incidents.

Just saying should be the same outcome either way as long as it’s consistent I would be ok with it.

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by Down_Rover » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:26 pm

Did I hear right what Neville just said

‘ they only had introduced VAR so Man Utd can win’

Was he joking or speaking from a position of knowledge

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by gsyclaret » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:27 pm

Texanclaret16 wrote:Wow this VAR is unreal my thoughts are that it’s only a handball if it’s deliberate or your arm is in a unnatural position for me I’m not sure if his arm was in a unnatural position and it definitely wasn’t deliberate I’ve played football for 30 years plus and there is no way you can get your arm/hand away sometimes yet again controversial decision for me could have gone 50/50 if it was a defender would a pen be given hmmmmmm not sure but at least it’s livened up a very poor game Liverpool have looks $hit
You are correct, it caught his arm, but he was turning to his right, he needed his arm there to keep his balance, I like you, played football till I was 46 and these sort of decisions make my blood boil, as did yesterdays.
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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by WestMidsClaret » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:28 pm

It's a waste of money and resources that could be better spent elsewhere

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by Sproggy » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:28 pm

It wasn't a foul. Origi miscontrolled it, felt a touch on his leg and threw himself to the floor.

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by Claretmatt4 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:30 pm

taio wrote:It doesn't have to be deliberate for it to be a foul.
Are you sure? Isn't it called deliberate handball?

Not being a dick, genuine question.

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by Darthlaw » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:30 pm

Sproggy wrote:It wasn't a foul. Origi miscontrolled it, felt a touch on his leg and threw himself to the floor.
Also works if you substitute Origi with Evans...
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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by Claretmatt4 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:30 pm

Sproggy wrote:It wasn't a foul. Origi miscontrolled it, felt a touch on his leg and threw himself to the floor.
So did Evans

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by martin_p » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:31 pm

At least in previous seasons you could excuse inconsistent decisions by understanding that the referee only sees it once, probably didn’t have as good a view as the tv audience, etc. Now you can’t and that just makes it doubly frustrating. Use VAR for obvious offside errors but leave everything else to the on pitch officials, VAR is making little difference elsewhere.

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by Texanclaret16 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:31 pm

Sproggy wrote:It wasn't a foul. Origi miscontrolled it, felt a touch on his leg and threw himself to the floor.
In exactly the same way Evans knew he was never clearing the ball felt a touch threw himself to the floor and cried to the ref. The biggest gripe and complaint about VAR is consistency of decisions.

Simply put there isn’t any.

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by icu81b4 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:31 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:I know there’s new rule in about handball, but that wasn’t intentional and it didn’t alter the flight or control of the ball
I agree, 'ball to hand' not 'hand to ball' but who knows what's allowed these days and what isn't, the officials certainly aren't consistent.

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by MACCA » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:32 pm

BigF wrote:The idea of VAR is a good one but the people operating it and making the decisions are really poor. Why cannot the refs use the pitch-side screens.

also wonder why the decisions cannot latter be explained so that we supporters can understand why the decisions were made.
The only reason I can think of why the referee isn't using the pitch side screen is to shift the decision/blame onto the VAR.

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by taio » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:32 pm

Claretmatt4 wrote:Are you sure? Isn't it called deliberate handball?

Not being a dick, genuine question.
New rule this season for goals scored following use of hand/arm.
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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by Texanclaret16 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:36 pm

taio wrote:New rule this season for goals scored following use of hand/arm.

I also didn’t know this, but surly got to be used in all circumstances not just goals scored if a defender does this is it a pen I hope so for consistency.

Back to the game Citeh must be running scared can’t say I’ve seen Liverpool play well consistently over the past 5 games long long way to go. Neither of these teams should have any bearing on where we finish so I wanted a entertaining game hope the 2nd half is better.

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by wilks_bfc » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:40 pm

Atkinson now stopping the game for a “non head injury” as Liverpool look to break

Another inconsistency

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by MACCA » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:40 pm

Think they are just making the rules up as they go a long. Thought no stoppage unless a head injury. He was winded for fcuk sake, and after treatment stayed on the field...

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by Tall Paul » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:50 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:There was contact in both incidents.

Just saying should be the same outcome either way as long as it’s consistent I would be ok with it.
The difference is that Atkinson was looking straight at the incident today and didn't deem it a foul whereas Moss completely missed it yesterday. It's not right, but that's how it's being operated.

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by Darnhill Claret » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:54 pm

Texanclaret, ‘deliberate handball’ still applies except if it is considered to assist in the scoring of a goal, when it does not require a judgement of ‘deliberate or not’. So if it strikes a defenders hand/arm it has to be deliberate, whereas it is an offence if it strikes an attackers hand/arm. Hope that helps.

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:57 pm

Tall Paul wrote:The difference is that Atkinson was looking straight at the incident today and didn't deem it a foul whereas Moss completely missed it yesterday. It's not right, but that's how it's being operated.
Still, not matter of the position of the ref.

Both incidents should get the same decision. IMHO.

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by Darnhill Claret » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:58 pm

Oh Texan, think it also includes, does not need to be deliberate if the ball would have gone into the net, so if you are on the line and it hits your arm/hand a penalty will be awarded.
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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by Tall Paul » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:59 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Still, not matter of the position of the ref.

Both incidents should get the same decision. IMHO.
I tend to agree, but that's not how it's being used (and I can understand why) so that's the difference between the two incidents.

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by Darnhill Claret » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:00 pm

One resulted in the immediate scoring of a goal and today’s didn’t. Fine margins and all that. Is it any wonder that refs get it wrong?

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:05 pm

Tall Paul wrote:I tend to agree, but that's not how it's being used (and I can understand why) so that's the difference between the two incidents.

I agree, and fully accept your point.
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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by Darnhill Claret » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:12 pm

Stoppages for injury will be at the discretion of the referee, but referees are instructed to stop all incidents where he/she believes there is a possible head injury. Which is slightly different.

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by ElectroClaret » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:12 pm

1-1 and that'll count.

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by Darnhill Claret » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:16 pm

It is the players who are not required to stop playing unless the ref blows or they believe that there is a head injury.

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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by claretblue » Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:00 pm

Savage just said on radio:

if a team like Burnley produced the performance Utd did - it would be called 'anti-football'!

didn't think they played that well! :D

da da da da da da...anti-football!
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Re: Man U vs Liverpool

Post by Top Claret » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:25 pm

Not a fan of either, but certainly not United our greatest rivals depending on what side of the Moor you live

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