Begum ‘risk of hanging’

[evensteadiereddie]

It's pretty bad that it's not clear whether you're joking, or whether you're being openly and proudly racist.

Take a wild guess, IT.

Gotta love the lad's anger at being shown up for what he is.

[Quickenthetempo]

No. Slapping racists around is always worth it.

Come on Turtle, you couldn't slap anybody about.

[Imploding Turtle]

Come on Turtle, you couldn't slap anybody about.

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[Lowbankclaret]

How do you know all this?

I agree that she probably wants to come back for safety reasons, not to mention that her family is here, but don't know what her future thoughts are. It could well be she's made a massive error of judgement when she was 15, and like other 15 year olds who make mistakes, we like to give them another chance. We should do so in this case unless there is any evidence that she truly is an individual who is or will be a danger to the rest of us.

The only thing that will prove it out is the test of time, when the next caliphate gets a foothold.

I will make my position clear. Anyone who travels abroad to fight against the UK, NATO or the US as part of a caliphate should instantly lose UK citizenship immediately and forever.

[ClaretAndJew]

Considering that Muslims are 2% of the entire population, what chance do they have at making a caliphate?

[Imploding Turtle]

Considering that Muslims are 2% of the entire population, what chance do they have at making a caliphate?

None. It'll be us, removing our own freedoms, that do it for them.

This is how you know the terrorists are winning.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Like any losing side in a fight/war, they suddenly repent and want to be treated fairly regardless of whatever crimes against humanity they've either committed or helped commit.

She made her choice, yes it was as a child initially, but she stayed up until it was on the verge of defeat.
If they hadn't been defeated she'd still be there as part of a foreign army invading a country or two.
Their aim was to convert, subdue and/or kill people.

She's only under threat of hanging IF she's found in Bangladesh, that's it at this moment in time.
If she faces a court in Syria and is found guilty of crimes there then she can take whatever punishment they hand out which should please those who want her to face justice for her alleged crimes.

If she returns to the UK there's a very real possibility she will be used to recruit more idiots for the cause, but she'd also have to be watched by our intelligence services.

[Imploding Turtle]

Like any losing side in a fight/war, they suddenly repent and want to be treated fairly regardless of whatever crimes against humanity they've either committed or helped commit.

...

We're denying muslims the same legal rights as the rest of us and you think that we're winning? How can we be winning when we're giving them what they want?

[Burnley1989]

It’s crazy we talk of inhumane acts done by IS but would send someone to be tortured! I have zero sympathy or care for the women but I’d be 100% against sending her to death.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

We're denying muslims the same legal rights as the rest of us and you think that we're winning? How can we be winning when we're giving them what they want?

Where did I say 'we' were winning?
The Caliphate lost, that's why she's whining about wanting to come home and implying she regrets what she did.
You'll never understand that though, because that part doesn't interest you.

As for legal rights, she can face the legal courts over there because she was part of a group that committed atrocities over there that have been well documented.
What she has committed exactly I don't know, nor do you, but she was part of that group and that's enough for her to be punished over there.

We are not obliged to take her back if we haven't left her stateless and it's all done legally, if we have left her stateless then we will have to take her back but I'd prefer her to be locked up for being a member of IS instead of wandering the streets revelling in what she did/saw.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

It’s crazy we talk of inhumane acts done by IS but would send someone to be tortured! I have zero sympathy or care for the women but I’d be 100% against sending her to death.

We haven't sent anyone to their death in this instance.

She's only at risk if she returns to Bangladesh, that's the part some people don't seem to want to mention.

[willsclarets]

Even in the UK they want Sharia Law to be used not UK law. And I think they will get their way in 30-40 years.

"they"

All 2.66 million of them? Who carried out the exhaustive survey? Or, are you making it up?

[Pstotto]

She went over there to f**k for Isis, nothing more. If she is to return, then as a f**ck for our troops. Help for Heroes etc., put that through Parliament in one day.

[Lowbankclaret]

"they"

All 2.66 million of them? Who carried out the exhaustive survey? Or, are you making it up?

As always it’s not all. Not sure you will find anywhere in history where all people were one the same side.

There were plenty in the uk didn’t want us fighting Nazi Germany.

So no not all.

[Imploding Turtle]

As always it’s not all. Not sure you will find anywhere in history where all people were one the same side.

There were plenty in the uk didn’t want us fighting Nazi Germany.

So no not all.

What is it that makes you think in 30 or 40 years time that they'll get Sharia Law to replace UK law?

[Right_winger]

Human rights lawyer hugely exaggerating and stringing out a defence shocker.....

[evensteadiereddie]

A right_winger spouting his usual lazy shite.............

[elwaclaret]

Even if that's true, which i seriously doubt, it doesn't matter. We're not supposed to be the kind of society who denies some people a fair trial. For some reason you think we should be, but only for certain *types* of people.

I think she's every bit as much a piece of **** as you do, the difference between you and I though is that I actually value the principles our country claims to stand for. Why don't you?

If she is no longer a British subject, and is in a foreign land why should she be tried here?

She was told what would happen and chose to try to overthrow the West with her buddies... why should the West now pay for her?

[willsclarets]

As always it’s not all. Not sure you will find anywhere in history where all people were one the same side.

There were plenty in the uk didn’t want us fighting Nazi Germany.

So no not all.

Based on a poll by ICM in 2016, they found that 23% of muslims supported Sharia Law 'in some areas of Britain'. Some other findings:
The research suggests that 86% of British Muslims feel a strong sense of belonging in Britain, which is higher than the national average of 83%. A large majority (91%) of the British Muslims who took part in the survey said they felt a strong sense of belonging in their local area, which is higher than the national average of 76%.Of those questioned, 88% said Britain was a good place for Muslims to live in, and 78% said they would like to integrate into British life on most things apart from Islamic schooling and some laws.

Anyway, the maths. According to my calculations, 23% of muslims represent less than 1% of the UK's whole population. How on earth would you suggest, even if all of them felt unbelievably strongly about the issue, that such a relatively small number would change our entire system of law?

[AndrewJB]

If her citizenship is stripped so say her human right vermin lawyers. A four day hearing taking place at the Special Immigration Appeals Commission. The only people who will benefit from her coming back are her family and her lawyers. The rest of the country won’t.

“Human Rights vermin lawyers” - until one of them upholds your human rights.

[Right_winger]

“Human Rights vermin lawyers” - until one of them upholds your human rights.

What do you think a human rights lawyers MO is?

Upholding human rights or hoovering up cash?

Hint it’s the latter.

[AndrewJB]

Ah - we’ve moved onto: “they want to change our law to Sharia”. There is already Sharia Law in the U.K. - for some Muslim people to get mortgages that work with their religion, for some Muslim people who want to divorce, or marry, and to settle disputes. It doesn’t supersede British law, and nobody is forced into accepting it. These things are also in place for Jewish people. It’s not a bad thing.

[Imploding Turtle]

If she is no longer a British subject, and is in a foreign land why should she be tried here?

She was told what would happen and chose to try to overthrow the West with her buddies... why should the West now pay for her?

Stripping her of her citizenship was an extrajudicial punishment and in violation of the principles we pretend to hold.

She shouldn't have been stripped of her right to a fair trial in the first place because that is punishment by the state without the state proving that there should be punishment, which is the point of a fair trial. Your argument is nonsense and without logic.

[AndrewJB]

What do you think a human rights lawyers MO is?

Upholding human rights or hoovering up cash?

Hint it’s the latter.

It’s their job, so why should they not get paid? Doctors get paid too, as do nurses. When you’re being stitched up after an accident do you sit there thinking: “this leech is just doing it for the money!”?

[AndrewJB]

If she is no longer a British subject, and is in a foreign land why should she be tried here?

She was told what would happen and chose to try to overthrow the West with her buddies... why should the West now pay for her?

Stripping someone of their citizenship isn’t something the Home Secretary should be able to decide. It should be a judicial process in itself.

[Imploding Turtle]

It’s their job, so why should they not get paid? Doctors get paid too, as do nurses. When you’re being stitched up after an accident do you sit there thinking: “this leech is just doing it for the money!”?

Don't debate with fascists on human rights. They don't value other humans who aren't like them, and when they make arguments like "human rights lawyers get paid" they're only trying desperately to justify their hatred and inhumanity using PC language because if they gave their real reasons their real character would be exposed too clearly, and they wouldn't be welcome in society.

[BennyD]

We all benefit from the laws protecting our humans rights being adhered to and not ignored or broken when the circumstances are uncomfortable and extreme ones

Bleeding heart Liberals are largely responsible for us being in this mess. She’s forfeited her human rights by helping her compatriots kill lots of others, who also had human rights. If she wants to top herself let her, one less scrote in the world.

[Pstotto]

If not a hanging there, a public banging here... If 100,000 sign a petition it can be debated in parliament. #Help for Heroes

[Devils_Advocate]

Bleeding heart Liberals are largely responsible for us being in this mess. She’s forfeited her human rights by helping her compatriots kill lots of others, who also had human rights. If she wants to top herself let her, one less scrote in the world.

If the aim is to just rid the world of scrotes one by one then join the queue. You're just a bitter old gobshite who has lost all relevance in the modern world. At least acting all sweary and aggressive on here seems to give you some hope to cling on to you sad old clown

[Imploding Turtle]

Bleeding heart Liberals are largely responsible for us being in this mess. She’s forfeited her human rights by helping her compatriots kill lots of others, who also had human rights. If she wants to top herself let her, one less scrote in the world.

No one forfeits human rights, you clown. That's the ******* point of human rights.

[Pstotto]

Human rights and the victims of the Manchester bombing, yeah...

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Stripping someone of their citizenship isn’t something the Home Secretary should be able to decide. It should be a judicial process in itself.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ean-ruling" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ECHR have already ruled on it.

[Imploding Turtle]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ean-ruling

ECHR have already ruled on it.

He was born in Sudan.
Begum was born here. If the government can strip her birthright citizen ship then it can stip yours too, and you have no way of stopping them. Is that a power you're comfortable the government having?

[Bordeauxclaret]

If not a hanging there, a public banging here... If 100,000 sign a petition it can be debated in parliament. #Help for Heroes

Can I just check something, are you suggesting a public rape as punishment?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

He was born in Sudan.

Yes he was, well done, but I was replying to someone who wanted a judicial process.

[AndrewJB]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ean-ruling

ECHR have already ruled on it.

That’s not what I said. Judicial process first. Stripping of citizenship second. Not a whim of the Home Secretary.

[Imploding Turtle]

Yes he was, well done, but I was replying to someone who wanted a judicial process.

Yes, and i'd argue that he should be allowed a judicial process too. However those circumstances and facts are different to Begum's case.

Begum was ever bit a citizen as you. She had birthright citizenship, just like you. If the government can remove someones birthright citizenship then they can remove anyone's citizenship, for any reason they want. Including yours if you step out of line, and you have no way to stop them.

[elwaclaret]

Don't debate with fascists on human rights. They don't value other humans who aren't like them, and when they make arguments like "human rights lawyers get paid" they're only trying desperately to justify their hatred and inhumanity using PC language because if they gave their real reasons their real character would be exposed too clearly, and they wouldn't be welcome in society.

Fascists??
Don’t show your ignorance. Fascism is a political doctrine not a groovy term for People who disagree with you. Muppet

[Imploding Turtle]

Fascists??
Don’t show your ignorance. Fascism is a political doctrine not a groovy term for People who disagree with you. Muppet

I've recently (very recently) started using it as a catch-all for extrem right wingers like right-winger. If you have a problem with that then you can shove it up your arse, because i don't seem to see you have a problem with people throwing around "communists".

[elwaclaret]

I've recently (very recently) started using it as a catch-all for extrem right wingers like right-winger. If you have a problem with that then you can shove it up your arse, because i don't seem to see you have a problem with people throwing around "communists".

Well, that is alright then, you feel free to bastardise as many words as you like to mean what you want. Makes perfect sense.

Communist is hardly the same as Fascist .... it is a catch all for Marxism, Trotskyism, Maoism etc. But hey ho. You carry on making your own language rules.

[Imploding Turtle]

Well, that is alright then, you feel free to bastardise as many words as you like to mean what you want. Makes perfect sense.

Communist is hardly the same as Fascist .... it is a catch all for Marxism, Trotskyism, Maoism etc. But hey ho. You carry on making your own language rules.

lol. So Communism is allowed to be a catch-all term, but nor Fascism? lol p*ss off.

[Lowbankclaret]

Based on a poll by ICM in 2016, they found that 23% of muslims supported Sharia Law 'in some areas of Britain'. Some other findings:
The research suggests that 86% of British Muslims feel a strong sense of belonging in Britain, which is higher than the national average of 83%. A large majority (91%) of the British Muslims who took part in the survey said they felt a strong sense of belonging in their local area, which is higher than the national average of 76%.Of those questioned, 88% said Britain was a good place for Muslims to live in, and 78% said they would like to integrate into British life on most things apart from Islamic schooling and some laws.

Anyway, the maths. According to my calculations, 23% of muslims represent less than 1% of the UK's whole population. How on earth would you suggest, even if all of them felt unbelievably strongly about the issue, that such a relatively small number would change our entire system of law?

Whilst it’s well hidden , you need to look for data on % of Muslim in the uk each year.

My 30-40 years may be shorted than it takes.

But the % increases each year.

[elwaclaret]

lol. So Communism is allowed to be a catch-all term, but nor Fascism? lol p*ss off.

No because fascism describes a theory... or are Marxism, Stalinism and Trotskyism all the same doctorine?

I’ll give you a clue, an ice pick to the winner.... they were both communists.

[fidelcastro]

Whilst it’s well hidden , you need to look for data on % of Muslim in the uk each year.

My 30-40 years may be shorted than it takes.

But the % increases each year.

Just admit you're Islamophobic.

It's blindingly obvious.

[Imploding Turtle]

No because fascism describes a theory... or are Marxism, Stalinism and Trotskyism all the same doctorine?

I’ll give you a clue, an ice pick to the winner.... they were both communists.

So your point is that there's only one form of fascism, whereas there are many forms of communism. Is that right?

[Imploding Turtle]

Whilst it’s well hidden , you need to look for data on % of Muslim in the uk each year.

My 30-40 years may be shorted than it takes.

But the % increases each year.

Do you realise you're parroting "The Great Replacement" conspiracy theory? That's where your idea comes from, were you aware of that?


Instead of linking you to extremist and anti-semitic propaganda, i'll provide you with this debunking of it.
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[elwaclaret]

No I’m saying calling someone a fascist is nonsense. A fascist believes they should serve the state, for benefit of the nation... everything is subservient to the nation.

Where has anyone talked fascist politics?

[BennyD]

If the aim is to just rid the world of scrotes one by one then join the queue. You're just a bitter old gobshite who has lost all relevance in the modern world. At least acting all sweary and aggressive on here seems to give you some hope to cling on to you sad old clown

Another keyboard warrior spouts off. Perhaps you might think differently if it was one of your loved ones being slaughtered on U-tube. People like you can only see the unicorn populated utopia that you think the world can become, I have news for you pinko, it can’t. If people like that don’t turn you ‘sweary and aggressive’ then you are part of the problem.

[Buxtonclaret]

Bring her back and move her in with turtle im sure he'd love to make her feel welcome.

She'd soon get fed up of being called stupid and plead to go back to the camp.

[BennyD]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ean-ruling

ECHR have already ruled on it.

Another good reason for Brexit. Cue strangled cries from snowflake remainers. FFS.