Begum ‘risk of hanging’

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:46 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote: But I have a fear on the rise of the Muslim population.

Shall we adopt a one child policy like they do in China?

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:48 pm

Is anyone surprised that the guy who goes door to door canvassing for the Brexit party is a disgusting islamophobe?

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:49 pm

fidelcastro wrote:You're showing yourself up here Benny Hill

Three of the four examples I've given, were committed here. That's in the United Kingdom. Comprende?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:01 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:You need a witness or victim who will give evidence. Without that you have got nothing.

I'm pretty sure she could be charged with aiding and abetting terrorists, at the very least.

If the evidence isn't there then she wouldn't have been stripped of her citizenship in the first place.

Our home secretary wouldn't be so hasty, right?

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:02 pm

fidelcastro wrote:You're showing yourself up here Benny Hill

Three of the four examples I've given, were committed here. That's in the United Kingdom. Comprende?

Yes I comprende. Mair was a plain old murderer, not a white supremacist. Copeland hated gays, not a white supremacist. So, of the four only Osborne attacked Muslims (white supremacist, or p!ssed off with Muslims creating carnage around the world?) and yes he’s a tw4t.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:09 pm

BennyD wrote:Yes I comprende. Mair was a plain old murderer, not a white supremacist. Copeland hated gays, not a white supremacist. So, of the four only Osborne attacked Muslims (white supremacist, or p!ssed off with Muslims creating carnage around the world?) and yes he’s a tw4t.

Islamic terrorist or ****** off with seeing family members back home being blown to pieces by western drones ?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:10 pm

BennyD wrote:Yes I comprende. Mair was a plain old murderer, not a white supremacist. Copeland hated gays, not a white supremacist. So, of the four only Osborne attacked Muslims (white supremacist, or p!ssed off with Muslims creating carnage around the world?) and yes he’s a tw4t.

Plain old murderer?

Wow... talk about trivializing a brutal murder, done in the name of 'Britain First'.

I said white supremacists and fascists. I asked if you were equally outraged by their atrocities. It's pretty clear that you're not.

I've got many other examples... but apparently you don't care, if it didn't happen here or if it wasn't done in the name of white supremacism, so I won't bother.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:11 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Islamic terrorist or ****** off with seeing family members back home being blown to pieces by western drones ?

Who cares? The west were P!ssed off with seeing the twin towers come down. And, IIRC, that came first,

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:16 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Plain old murderer?
Wow... talk about trivializing a brutal murder, done in the name of 'Britain First'.

I said white supremacists and fascists. I asked if you were equally outraged by their atrocities. It's pretty clear that you're not.

I've got many other examples... but apparently you don't care, if it didn't happen here or if it wasn't done in the name of white supremacism, so I won't bother.

Murders happen every day that aren’t connected to white supremacism. Do you care about them? If so, what do you do>to show it?

No you didn’t; see post 119.

I don’t care about murders or any other crime that happens around the world unless it affects me or my family and friends. You are the same, and would admit it if you weren’t so full of sh!t about trying to prove a point.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:19 pm

BennyD wrote:Who cares? The west were P!ssed off with seeing the twin towers come down. And, IIRC, that came first,

We've been blowing the middle east up long before 9/11

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:20 pm

BennyD wrote:Who cares? The west were P!ssed off with seeing the twin towers come down. And, IIRC, that came first,

And their solution was to bomb the crap out of one of the poorest countries in the world, and then invade and occupy a country that had diddly squat to do with it! Great policy... look how that's turned out!

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:20 pm

BennyD wrote:Yes I comprende. Mair was a plain old murderer, not a white supremacist. Copeland hated gays, not a white supremacist. So, of the four only Osborne attacked Muslims (white supremacist, or p!ssed off with Muslims creating carnage around the world?) and yes he’s a tw4t.

David Copeland was a white supremacist. He left nail bombs in Brixton and Brick Lane for a reason.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:24 pm

BennyD wrote:Murders happen every day that aren’t connected to white supremacism. Do you care about them? If so, what do you do>to show it?

No you didn’t; see post 119.

I don’t care about murders or any other crime that happens around the world unless it affects me or my family and friends. You are the same, and would admit it if you weren’t so full of sh!t about trying to prove a point.

What are you on about? I said in the post that you mention that I was always sad about innocent loss of life. How does that invalidate my point?

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:15 pm

Swizzlestick wrote:David Copeland was a white supremacist. He left nail bombs in Brixton and Brick Lane for a reason.

He hated gays.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:16 pm

fidelcastro wrote:What are you on about? I said in the post that you mention that I was always sad about innocent loss of life. How does that invalidate my point?

In post 119 you made no mention of fascism.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:17 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:We've been blowing the middle east up long before 9/11

FFS, that was the catalyst for the war on terror.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:20 pm

Debating such things with bleeding heart Liberal pedants is like trying to teach a gold fish how to sing; what’s the f*cking point?

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:25 pm

BennyD wrote:Debating such things with bleeding heart Liberal pedants is like trying to teach a gold fish how to sing; what’s the f*cking point?

Get over yourself and start by reading up a bit more about Neo-Nazi David Copeland and his want to start a ‘race war’ rather than thinking you’re some enlightened sage and not the embittered fool you’re coming across as.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:27 pm

BennyD wrote:In post 119 you made no mention of fascism.

And? I mentioned white supremacism.

What's your point?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:29 pm

BennyD wrote:Debating such things with bleeding heart Liberal pedants is like trying to teach a gold fish how to sing; what’s the f*cking point?

Debating with right wing reactionaries is like wrestling with a chimney sweep...

You can't come out clean

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:35 pm

BennyD wrote:I don’t care about murders or any other crime that happens around the world unless it affects me or my family and friends. You are the same, and would admit it if you weren’t so full of sh!t about trying to prove a point.

So you didn’t care when you saw planes being flown into towers in New York?

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:37 pm

It’s too much hassle,realistically you’d be looking at a safe house, tagged, curfew, new identity & 24hr surveillance at the very minimum the security risk she’d represent & also the broader picture setting an example as a deterrent. It’s not the kind of situation for compassion or sympathy the hassle outweighs that imo.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:39 pm

The only positive thing about reading this hugely predictable thread is that it seems like it’s the same 5 or 6 racists and bigots who appear on every similar thread.

Judging by their outdated views I’m guessing they’re in the latter stages of their lives so I doubt we’ll have to tolerate them in mainstream society for much longer.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:39 am

BennyD wrote:He hated gays.

And he was a neo-nazi who wanted to trigger a race war.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:45 am

Rileybobs wrote:The only positive thing about reading this hugely predictable thread is that it seems like it’s the same 5 or 6 racists and bigots who appear on every similar thread.

Judging by their outdated views I’m guessing they’re in the latter stages of their lives so I doubt we’ll have to tolerate them in mainstream society for much longer.

Not quite sure on the 5 or 6 you are referring to, but the 5 or 6 may have children so the “outdated” views don’t expire, maybe it could simply get passed down to the next generation to have that same ideology.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:13 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:What rise? They are 4% of the UK population.

96% of the UK isn't Muslim. That's not a rise.

The Muslim population percentage has doubled in 3 hours

ClaretAndJew wrote:Considering that Muslims are 2% of the entire population, what chance do they have at making a caliphate?

Perhaps lowbank is right after all

AfloatinClaret · Post by **AfloatinClaret** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:30 am

Chobulous wrote:Capital punishment is wrong. Full stop

I would like to agree with you, but as claret3561 mentioned, there is the crime of :...deciding to support barstewards... for which it might be considered? Then again a defence of diminished mental capacity would always save you anyway.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:23 am

A wise retreat, BennyD, a wise retreat.

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:30 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:These people suggesting Begum was old enough to know what she was doing are the same ones saying Greta Thunburg is too young to know what she's doing and is being used as a puppet by adults.

Are they the same ones, you know this for a fact up and down the country, I think not and a poor fake news headline to grab some attention

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:59 am

BennyD wrote:Who cares? The west were P!ssed off with seeing the twin towers come down. And, IIRC, that came first,

Nope, you're not even close with that one.

The West have been dicking around in the middle East for a very long time now, causing more harm than good.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:00 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Yes, and i'd argue that he should be allowed a judicial process too. However those circumstances and facts are different to Begum's case.

Begum was ever bit a citizen as you. She had birthright citizenship, just like you. If the government can remove someones birthright citizenship then they can remove anyone's citizenship, for any reason they want. Including yours if you step out of line, and you have no way to stop them.

They can only remove it if it doesn't render someone stateless, even you know that one.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:05 am

fidelcastro wrote:Bring her back. Put her on trial.

If she's found guilty, lock her up.

Sorry to sound like such a radical!

Any crimes she was a part of were done in a foreign country, let then put her on trial and punish her under their laws, if she's found guilty.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:35 am

Jakubclaret wrote:Not quite sure on the 5 or 6 you are referring to, but the 5 or 6 may have children so the “outdated” views don’t expire, maybe it could simply get passed down to the next generation to have that same ideology.

It’s pretty obvious who I’m referring to. It’s the same names on every race, sexuality or gender-related thread. You only have to speak to people from all age groups (the workplace is a good example) to see that those outdated views belong with the older generation. It’s ignorant and insular.

I’m not saying that some of those views won’t be passed down but i see far less intolerance from the younger generations.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:42 am

Rileybobs wrote:It’s pretty obvious who I’m referring to. It’s the same names on every race, sexuality or gender-related thread. You only have to speak to people from all age groups (the workplace is a good example) to see that those outdated views belong with the older generation. It’s ignorant and insular.

I’m not saying that some of those views won’t be passed down but i see far less intolerance from the younger generations.

Do you socialise with the younger generations though, I personally get on with older generations more than the younger generations so don’t really experience problems with them.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:50 am

Jakubclaret wrote:Do you socialise with the younger generations though, I personally get on with older generations more than the younger generations so don’t really experience problems with them.

I have friends, family and work associates across a wide age range as I’m sure most people do. In my workplace, for example, there is far less tolerance and far more ignorance from the over 40’s than the under 40’s.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:59 am

Ageism is ok though

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:02 am

Blackrod wrote:Ageism is ok though

Show me where I’ve discriminated against someone because of their age.

HarryPottsDesk · Post by **HarryPottsDesk** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:54 am

Can we have more of these angry old right-wingers' non-football threads, please? They are what this forum's all about!

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:57 am

HarryPottsDesk wrote:Can we have more of these angry old right-wingers' non-football threads, please? They are what this forum's all about!

Just start a thread about building a new mosque somewhere.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:27 am

Jeez, all the BHLs are out. Bring back capital punishment and reduce the bill to the taxpayer.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:30 am

Rileybobs wrote:So you didn’t care when you saw planes being flown into towers in New York?

Of course I was, because I knew we would end up to our necks in it. We still are, and that’s why I couldn’t give a dead rat’s ass about trash like Begum.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:33 am

BennyD wrote:Jeez, all the BHLs are out. Bring back capital punishment and reduce the bill to the taxpayer.

Costs more to execute prisoners than it does to keep them locked up for life.

Holmeclaret · Post by **Holmeclaret** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:40 am

BennyD wrote:Who cares? The west were P!ssed off with seeing the twin towers come down. And, IIRC, that came first,

Hundreds of thousands of Indian muslims were killed by the British authorities following the 1857 uprising against colonial rule. Lots of Indians were ****** about this for a while but who cares, eh? How far back do you want to go?

Hapag Lloyd · Post by **Hapag Lloyd** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:56 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:Costs more to execute prisoners than it does to keep them locked up for life.

Surely that will depend on the age of the prisoner or have you just made it up because it suits your argument?

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:00 pm

Hapag Lloyd wrote:Surely that will depend on the age of the prisoner or have you just made it up because it suits your argument?

Information from the US, because, we don't have capital punishment here, but it would follow very similar pathways.

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Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:06 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Information from the US, because, we don't have capital punishment here, but it would follow very similar pathways.

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You could quite easily trim the costs though, the costs incurred will be legal & appeals ect, implementing straightway without going through that will be very minimal, effectively it's the electric powering up the chair & a disposal of a body frankly put.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:07 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:You could quite easily trim the costs though, the costs incurred will be legal & appeals ect, implementing straightway without going through that will be very minimal, effectively it's the electric powering up the chair & a disposal of a body frankly put.

All well and good, until you execute a wrongly convicted person.

I guess that doesn't matter to some people though, **** due process just hang em all and we'll pardon the innocent ones after death. Collateral damage.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:12 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:All well and good, until you execute a wrongly convicted person.

I guess that doesn't matter to some people though, **** due process just hang em all and we'll pardon the innocent ones after death. Collateral damage.

In this day & age with forensic & DNA, doubt doesn't exist, unless it's some sort of fit up & people are tampering swab & blood samples which you can file under conspiracy or an extract of a sensationalised US drama or film plot.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:17 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:In this day & age with forensic & DNA, doubt doesn't exist, unless it's some sort of fit up & people are tampering swab & blood samples which you can file under conspiracy or an extract of a sensationalised US drama or film plot.

Well, considering that there was someone in the US tried in 2010 who was put on death row and released in 2017 due to wrongful conviction, I'd say it's not a conspiracy.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:18 pm

HarryPottsDesk wrote:Can we have more of these angry old right-wingers' non-football threads, please? They are what this forum's all about!

Happy to oblige with the threads but can’t do the angry bit. I’m sure someone else can post those. Good mixture of threads on this board which is why it is one of the best.