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Keeping Drinkwater under control

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:12 pm

Seems we are keeping him on a tight leash now
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Re: Keeping Drinkwater under control

Post by jrgbfc » Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:15 pm

I can't remember where exactly but I read an article the other day about how Drinkwater has given up the booze and is determined to make a go of it at Burnley. Great news for us if true.

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Re: Keeping Drinkwater under control

Post by evensteadiereddie » Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:15 pm

Even when he needs the loo ? That's going too far !
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Post by Funkydrummer » Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:20 pm

Hope he's going to clean that up when he's finished. :shock:

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Re: Keeping Drinkwater under control

Post by jdrobbo » Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:34 pm

I’m just going to throw this out there… I think Danny Drinkwater will end up signing for Burnley permanently, on reduced wages and will thoroughly love being a Burnley FC player. He has a lot to prove and I have a feeling that we will gain from this immensely down the line.
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Post by Longsidelenny » Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:36 pm

Should of worn that belt he as on in the pub in Manchester when he went near the girls you could pull him back stopped him getting a kick in

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Post by Chester Perry » Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:42 pm

jdrobbo wrote:I’m just going to throw this out there… I think Danny Drinkwater will end up signing for Burnley permanently, on reduced wages and will thoroughly love being a Burnley FC player. He has a lot to prove and I have a feeling that we will gain from this immensely down the line.
I always thought it was a kind of coming home for him - up north (his roots), tight knit squad that like to shatter illusions of big clubs and pundits alike (his Leicester days) add to that his previous experience with Dyche - the recent hoohaa and our willingness to stick with him offering no public opinion will focus his resolve
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Post by randomclaret2 » Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:54 pm

The clue's in your name Danny...
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Re: Keeping Drinkwater under control

Post by bfcmik » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:07 pm

jdrobbo wrote:I’m just going to throw this out there… I think Danny Drinkwater will end up signing for Burnley permanently, on reduced wages and will thoroughly love being a Burnley FC player. He has a lot to prove and I have a feeling that we will gain from this immensely down the line.
I've said this from day 1. I suspect the short-term loan was to give time to get the small details sorted out, the 'i's dotted and the 't's crossed.

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Post by Jakubs Tash » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:11 pm

jdrobbo wrote:I’m just going to throw this out there… I think Danny Drinkwater will end up signing for Burnley permanently, on reduced wages and will thoroughly love being a Burnley FC player. He has a lot to prove and I have a feeling that we will gain from this immensely down the line.
I genuinely hope you are right. As things stand now, he has cost the club £500,000 in wages and done nothing to warrant that huge outlay.
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Re: Keeping Drinkwater under control

Post by LeadBelly » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:17 pm

He has a lot to prove and I have a feeling that we will gain from this immensely down the line.
He has a lot to prove in his loan period yet & only got a max of 11 games before his loan period expires. He'll have to apply himself very well and have some good games & training in that time or he'll be straight back to Stamford Bridge.
I hope he does it because he could be a good addition/variation to the squad but cant see it's even 50/50 at this stage; he has a lot of ground to make up after how it's gone so far.

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Post by Nonayforever » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:21 pm

jdrobbo wrote:I’m just going to throw this out there… I think Danny Drinkwater will end up signing for Burnley permanently, on reduced wages and will thoroughly love being a Burnley FC player. He has a lot to prove and I have a feeling that we will gain from this immensely down the line.
I also hope you are right.
I don't know about the lot to prove bit, it's more about enjoying your life & work.
Hopefully, the camaraderie of Burnley will make him realise that there is more to be gained by being involved on the inside rather than the outside.

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Re: Keeping Drinkwater under control

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:23 pm

bfcmik wrote:I've said this from day 1. I suspect the short-term loan was to give time to get the small details sorted out, the 'i's dotted and the 't's crossed.
It wasn’t. Don’t know whether anything has changed since but last August it was intended only to be a loan.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:27 pm

jdrobbo wrote:I’m just going to throw this out there… I think Danny Drinkwater will end up signing for Burnley permanently, on reduced wages and will thoroughly love being a Burnley FC player. He has a lot to prove and I have a feeling that we will gain from this immensely down the line.
Give over. We should write him off.

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Re: Keeping Drinkwater under control

Post by FCBurnley » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:30 pm

You can’t put lipstick on a pig.

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Post by Jakubs Tash » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:33 pm

FCBurnley wrote:You can’t put lipstick on a pig.
You can.

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Post by boatshed bill » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:38 pm

jdrobbo wrote:I’m just going to throw this out there… I think Danny Drinkwater will end up signing for Burnley permanently, on reduced wages and will thoroughly love being a Burnley FC player. He has a lot to prove and I have a feeling that we will gain from this immensely down the line.
Can't see it myself.

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Re: Keeping Drinkwater under control

Post by dougcollins » Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:06 pm

So what happened to his return to his parent club come January, has something changed?

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Post by ElectroClaret » Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:19 pm

dougcollins wrote:So what happened to his return to his parent club come January, has something changed?
Still going back in January, as far as I'm aware.
Eleven games between now and Jan.1st.

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Post by dougcollins » Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:22 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Still going back in January, as far as I'm aware.
Eleven games between now and Jan.1st.

I doubt we'll see him play again in that timescale.

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Re: Keeping Drinkwater under control

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:31 pm

I really can't see any way that he will be able to make his mark with us in the next eleven games. OK, he may be a bit of cover if he can get fit enough, and if we have injuries. That's about it IMHO.

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Re: Keeping Drinkwater under control

Post by ClaretLoup » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:06 pm

Can't see Chelsea extending the loan and thereby helping out one of their Champions League spot rivals.
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Post by jrgbfc » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:12 pm

Why would he go back to Chelsea? They won't want him back, I'm sure if we requested an extension we'd get it.
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Post by Bordeauxclaret » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:46 pm

What’s he got, 11 games to make an impact?

Fingers crossed for him.
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Re: Keeping Drinkwater under control

Post by Buxtonclaret » Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:45 pm

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Post by TVC15 » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:23 pm

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Post by ewanrob » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:59 pm

Come on, right now hes a Claret....let's give him a chance.

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Re: Keeping Drinkwater under control

Post by Leisure » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:44 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:I genuinely hope you are right. As things stand now, he has cost the club £500,000 in wages and done nothing to warrant that huge outlay.
Where have you got the £500,000 figure from?

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Post by Jakubs Tash » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:55 pm

Leisure wrote:Where have you got the £500,000 figure from?
He's been with us 10-11 weeks now. It is believed and has been widely reported that Burnley are paying for £50,000 of his weekly wage (which also sounds like a reasonable figure to assume). I managed to add it up without using a calculator too!

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Post by claretspice » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:21 am

Realistically, the only way he's signing for us permanently is if we extend his loan in January through until the end of the season, and there's a meeting of minds then.

Still a bit of a leap to believe there'd be a deal to be done then on wages, but the idea of his loan being extended probably is plausible, as long as he's fitted in OK behind the scenes. He's done nothing whilst he's been here to make himself a proposition to Chelsea or for any other club - the reverse in fact - which my well leave us in quite a strong position if we want to pursue that conversation.

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Post by MACCA » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:48 am

Jakubs Tash wrote:He's been with us 10-11 weeks now. It is believed and has been widely reported that Burnley are paying for £50,000 of his weekly wage (which also sounds like a reasonable figure to assume). I managed to add it up without using a calculator too!
Excluding a loan fee, Chelsea usually charge a loan fee too, unless we're paying a percentage of his wages.

Either way I bet your 500k guess is close, if not under our outlay on him so far.
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Post by TVC15 » Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:02 am

We probably have £500k a week spent on players who are not getting a kick of the ball. It’s the way it is.
The club can’t win. Fans were wanting a centre midfield player - we got an experienced one on loan. It hasn’t turned out as we want it yet....and the players wages and how much it has cost the club then inevitably gets brought up.....but you can say that about another 7 or 8 players.

Maybe we should have just 11 players who are all brilliant and agree to play for us for nothing and never get injured or lose form - that would be super.
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Post by Jakubs Tash » Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:18 am

MACCA wrote:Excluding a loan fee, Chelsea usually charge a loan fee too, unless we're paying a percentage of his wages.

Either way I bet your 500k guess is close, if not under our outlay on him so far.
Yeah, of course....good point. I'm sure there is a loan fee too.

To be fair, my 'guess' came from reading reports - not just plucking a figure out of the air.

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Post by Jakubs Tash » Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:44 am

TVC15 wrote:We probably have £500k a week spent on players who are not getting a kick of the ball. It’s the way it is.
The club can’t win. Fans were wanting a centre midfield player - we got an experienced one on loan. It hasn’t turned out as we want it yet....and the players wages and how much it has cost the club then inevitably gets brought up.....but you can say that about another 7 or 8 players.

Maybe we should have just 11 players who are all brilliant and agree to play for us for nothing and never get injured or lose form - that would be super.
But this thread isn't about other players - it's about Danny Drinkwater. A loan player who was brought in to both cover and hopefully make an impact with his quality. He is probably amongst our highest earning players (if not the highest) and he isn't even a permanent Burnley player. And it's not inconceivable he could return to his parent club in January having contributed nothing. It's frustrating because SD hasn't been great at using the loan system IMO and I have been saying for a long time that we should use it to get better players who might be unrealistic to sign permanently and just pay the wages for a year and small(ish) loan fee. When we signed Drinkwater I thought he was in that bracket and going to make a difference to us. And then he finally gets a great opportunity for game-time and to get a shirt with Cork's injury and he's nowhere near fit to take that opportunity.

As I've said, I hope it works out for Drinkwater and Burnley...but it isn't unrealistic to think he could end up going back to Chelsea in January having contributed nothing and costing the club a decent wedge.
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Post by TVC15 » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:19 am

Jakubs Tash wrote:But this thread isn't about other players - it's about Danny Drinkwater. A loan player who was brought in to both cover and hopefully make an impact with his quality. He is probably amongst our highest earning players (if not the highest) and he isn't even a permanent Burnley player. And it's not inconceivable he could return to his parent club in January having contributed nothing. It's frustrating because SD hasn't been great at using the loan system IMO and I have been saying for a long time that we should use it to get better players who might be unrealistic to sign permanently and just pay the wages for a year and small(ish) loan fee. When we signed Drinkwater I thought he was in that bracket and going to make a difference to us. And then he finally gets a great opportunity for game-time and to get a shirt with Cork's injury and he's nowhere near fit to take that opportunity.

As I've said, I hope it works out for Drinkwater and Burnley...but it isn't unrealistic to think he could end up going back to Chelsea in January having contributed nothing and costing the club a decent wedge.
I get all that - but what’s the relevance of his salary ?
Nobody has planned what happened - it’s just unfortunate.
It’s easy to talk about things in hindsight - especially when as fans we have a fraction of the facts on this case and every other transfer that did or did not happen - and all the loan signings you mention.

It’s also pretty simplistic to point at Dyche’s record in the loan market and criticise this - but surely what matters is his overall record and what he has done at the club which is in many ways unprecedented success in our long history.
Let’s also remember that the clubs record ever profit on a player in its entire history by some margin was as a result of a loan signing by SD followed up by a small transfer fee.

Going back to Drinkwater - we have just been unlucky and we were definitely trying to make permanent signings for his position in the last transfer window. Luckily when we have bad luck like this and another example Defour’s injuries our manager and the rest of the team seem to be very good at finding a solution rather than complaining about things that they can’t do anything about.

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Post by Andreshotboots » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:24 am

bfcmik wrote:I've said this from day 1. I suspect the short-term loan was to give time to get the small details sorted out, the 'i's dotted and the 't's crossed.
You'd have thought something must be in the pipeline, an extension until the end of the season at least.. After the "incident" I'm sure we could have sent him back to his club if there wasn't knowing he's out for a while and not really likely to play much before his loan ends..

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Post by Jakubs Tash » Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:48 pm

TVC15 wrote:I get all that - but what’s the relevance of his salary ?
Nobody has planned what happened - it’s just unfortunate.
It’s easy to talk about things in hindsight - especially when as fans we have a fraction of the facts on this case and every other transfer that did or did not happen - and all the loan signings you mention.

It’s also pretty simplistic to point at Dyche’s record in the loan market and criticise this - but surely what matters is his overall record and what he has done at the club which is in many ways unprecedented success in our long history.
Let’s also remember that the clubs record ever profit on a player in its entire history by some margin was as a result of a loan signing by SD followed up by a small transfer fee.

Going back to Drinkwater - we have just been unlucky and we were definitely trying to make permanent signings for his position in the last transfer window. Luckily when we have bad luck like this and another example Defour’s injuries our manager and the rest of the team seem to be very good at finding a solution rather than complaining about things that they can’t do anything about.
I understand what you are saying and you are quite right that there are a number of players earning good wages and not playing right now. And, yes, we have been unlucky with Drinkwater's injury/lack of fitness.

I guess the relevance of his salary is that we typically bring loan players in to act as cover and players of Drinkwater's pedigree don't usually come in on loan. I wasn't having a go at SD and recruitment. I was just making the point that when you sign a player of this ability and with those wages on loan, you expect them to have a positive impact in the short time they are here. We seem to be playing 'the long game' with someone who might not be here in a few weeks.

A very frustrating signing thus far that we might not get the time to work on much more as there's every chance the loan isn't extended beyond January or he doesn't sign permanently.

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Post by TVC15 » Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:59 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:I understand what you are saying and you are quite right that there are a number of players earning good wages and not playing right now. And, yes, we have been unlucky with Drinkwater's injury/lack of fitness.

I guess the relevance of his salary is that we typically bring loan players in to act as cover and players of Drinkwater's pedigree don't usually come in on loan. I wasn't having a go at SD and recruitment. I was just making the point that when you sign a player of this ability and with those wages on loan, you expect them to have a positive impact in the short time they are here. We seem to be playing 'the long game' with someone who might not be here in a few weeks.

A very frustrating signing thus far that we might not get the time to work on much more as there's every chance the loan isn't extended beyond January or he doesn't sign permanently.
I’m not so sure - you seem to making a few assumptions / reading too much into it.
We needed a quality centre midfielder - not someone just as cover. There is no way that SD would be playing the “long game” just for the sake of it. - it’s simply things have not gone as planned for both player and club. I’m 100% sure that SD and Drinkwater would prefer for him to be on the pitch and playing.
We have no idea what SD’s long term plans were for this signing or what he has discussed with the player about the future - but I don’t see anything from SD which isn’t thought through or for the long term good of the club. He is not Harry Redknapp throwing a hundred darts and hoping one lands in the treble twenty and he is not Big Fat Sam either making short term decisions because he knows he’s only going to be in the job for 18 months.

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Post by Top Claret » Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:24 pm

If Drinkwaters head is in the right place I would expect Dyche to extend his loan come January.
Only seen him play a short time against Sunderland but once 100% fit I can see him being a real asset.

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