Julie Cooper MP to stand down .... ?

[aggi]

One thing austerity has done is get rid of the bunny boilers, who were getting pregnant to get on the benefit ladder. Andrew B spouts shite, he is a teacher and a champagne London socialist.

99% of teachers are commis and don't have a clue about life, they have gone from school to university and back to school, clueless gimps the lot of em

A good Friday afternoon effort.

[TVC15]

Is it possible that Birtwistle benefitted from his party being in government? It does seem to me that if you're the MP of an area, and your party is in government, then you have an easier time of convincing that government to spend money in your constituency than someone whose party isn't in government. Maybe there's a reason i'm wrong about that, and if so hopefully someone will explain it.

I would hardly call being the Conservative Parties lap dogs as his “party being in government”
Like I said - I’m no fan of Birtwistle as he isn’t the brightest of blokes and I despise what he and his part did with tuition fees...and my daughter who was 16 at the time absolutely ran rings around him when he visited the school to discuss his politics !!....but at least I can name some things he fought for Burnley and things he delivered too....whereas I am struggling to think of that for Cooper who the only good thing I can think of saying about her is at least she is not Kitty Usher !

[Imploding Turtle]

One thing austerity has done is get rid of the bunny boilers, who were getting pregnant to get on the benefit ladder. Andrew B spouts shite, he is a teacher and a champagne London socialist.

99% of teachers are commis and don't have a clue about life, they have gone from school to university and back to school, clueless gimps the lot of em

More right-wing intellectualism.

[Greenmile]

You see, despite your obsession about my past, and your weird need to attempt to make my CV public on a regular basis. If you really need to indulge this slightly creepy fascination, then at least get your facts right.

As for the quality of my posts. You lay down with dogs. You get fleas.

How do I know anything about your CV unless it’s already public?

(unless - in some M Night Shayamalan-type twist - I’m just another of your alter-egos.)

[Lowbankclaret]

If the Brexit party win the Burnley seat it would be singly, the worst thing ever to happen to the town.
Investment would halt and almost certainly some of the major employers would pull out.
We would be classed as even more racist than we are at the moment.
If you work and live in Burnley you have to vote Labour.

What a load of rubbish.

Of the two parties, it is Labour who are having to defend being racist.

[RingoMcCartney]

How do I know anything about your CV unless it’s already public?

(unless - in some M Night Shayamalan-type twist - I’m just another of your alter-egos.)

I didn't say I hadn't, once , when it was relevant, disclosed some if my employment history. But not only do you seem to get off on going into my working past. But when you do, again and again. You keep getting the details wrong Turtle!

Like I said, if you must indulge your, close to, fetishtic obsession , about part of my previous career. Do the sad sack research that , despite not stopping you sounding weird, it at least avoids you looking silly.

It's for your own good. As a fellow claret, I only want what's best for you.!

[RingoMcCartney]

What a load of rubbish.

Of the two parties, it is Labour who are having to defend being racist.

Polls: Despite mixed on Brexit, 93% of UK Jews won’t vote for Labour

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General election: Labour’s Jewish affiliate to boycott campaign over Corbyn’s ‘failure of leadership’

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[aggi]

For those who are curious, here is Ringo's CV. I'm not really sure why he decided to post it:

Ringo McCartney - passed 11plus. Grammar school educated. HNC with 95 ish% distinctions in all modules. 2.1 in business management. Former independent and tied financial advisor dealing with high net worth clients. Qualified to give advice on pensions, mortgages, savings and lump sum investments for the medium to long term.

Greenmile was indeed wrong. Mortgage advisor was only one of the many strings to Ringo's bow.

[deanothedino]

Well Julie Cooper stood on delivering Brexit and did the opposite.

Having fewer policies allows you to vote on what’s best for Burnley and what the people of Burnley want.

Fighting for local issues is not always about policies.

What’s Cooper been fighting for locally???

Having one policy makes you a waste of time, whether or not Julie Cooper is actually any good, at least Labour had a manifesto for you to read to understand the policies Cooper would be whipped to support.

[deanothedino]

I would hardly call being the Conservative Parties lap dogs as his “party being in government”
Like I said - I’m no fan of Birtwistle as he isn’t the brightest of blokes and I despise what he and his part did with tuition fees...and my daughter who was 16 at the time absolutely ran rings around him when he visited the school to discuss his politics !!....but at least I can name some things he fought for Burnley and things he delivered too....whereas I am struggling to think of that for Cooper who the only good thing I can think of saying about her is at least she is not Kitty Usher !

The biggest thing against Berkwistle is that he stood on the policy of getting Burnley's A&E back, something he would never do and probably knew it.

[Lowbankclaret]

Having one policy makes you a waste of time, whether or not Julie Cooper is actually any good, at least Labour had a manifesto for you to read to understand the policies Cooper would be whipped to support.

Correct, even when it goes against the majority who voted for her.

And will now vote her out.

[deanothedino]

Correct, even when it goes against the majority who voted for her.

And will now vote her out.

Then they should have read the manifesto that they elected her on?

[Greenmile]

...You keep getting the details wrong Turtle!...

Haha , you know when some one has lost the arguement. They resort to garbage like hinting that the person who's got the better of them could be arsed logging in and out and having a parody account!

[Lowbankclaret]

Then they should have read the manifesto that they elected her on?

Oh yes Labour saying they would respect the referendum.

Then she voted every time against it.

She is gone.

I am an MP get her out of here.

[Greenmile]

For those who are curious, here is Ringo's CV. I'm not really sure why he decided to post it:

Ringo McCartney - passed 11plus. Grammar school educated. HNC with 95 ish% distinctions in all modules. 2.1 in business management. Former independent and tied financial advisor dealing with high net worth clients. Qualified to give advice on pensions, mortgages, savings and lump sum investments for the medium to long term.

Greenmile was indeed wrong. Mortgage advisor was only one of the many strings to Ringo's bow.

You missed “one of the feckers at the bottom”.

[Clarets4me]

Correct, even when it goes against the majority who voted for her.
And will now vote her out.

Regrettably, I think she'll be re-elected. The Leave vote will be split between the Brexit party and the Conservatives, the Lib Dems will see a small revival, The Greens and BP&P will poll 800-1300 each ....

Labour polled 13,114 in losing in 2010, ( 31.3% ), and I think that's their nadir, the Labour vote won't fall below that level ...

[Imploding Turtle]

Oh yes Labour saying they would respect the referendum.

Then she voted every time against it.

She is gone.

I am an MP get her out of here.

No one has voted against the referendum.
Do you realise how stupid you look when you say that dumb ****?

[Bfcboyo]

The biggest thing against Berkwistle is that he stood on the policy of getting Burnley's A&E back, something he would never do and probably knew it.

I heard a rumour about berty that he owned a factory of some sort in Blackburn and shut the doors made sure he got paid but the workers didn't making him lots of enemies. It did all seem a bit hearsay rubbish. Anybody know if there is anything in this pub story I was sold as gospel.

[Lowbankclaret]

No one has voted against the referendum.
Do you realise how stupid you look when you say that dumb ****?

Oh my life.
She voted against any deal.

She is toast.

[AndrewJB]

Tell you what I find inconsistent Andrew is this anti austerity lobby aimed at the UK government but not at the EU who imposed far worse austerity on Greece and Spain for example. Twice as bad in fact

I don't support the austerity imposed on Greece (or Ireland, Italy, Spain, and Portugal). I think defaulting is a perfectly reasonable way of a country shedding the bonds of "debt servitude" - and it has been done many times before (and normally with great success). Let me point you to this link as to why: https://lesstewart.wordpress.com/2010/0 ... ston-saul/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The pressure put on Greece and Spain was from the IMF, and other outside the EU agencies, in addition to the EU (which I don't condone at all).

My reasoning on this is that it's better for us to remain in the EU, and reform it, rather than leave it.

[AndrewJB]

Like I said, maybe stick to what you know about.



London.

Are you saying Julie Cooper isn't like Peter Pike? If so how not?

[Clarets4me]

Are you saying Julie Cooper isn't like Peter Pike? If so how not?

Like it or not, there's a good number of older posters giggling when reading your post, " AndrewJB " !!

[Mala591]

We (the Burnley electorate) will now decide:

Leave with a deal - vote Conservative
Remain - vote Lib Dem (with a open door/free for all immigration policy)

The choice is yours. Use your vote wisely.

[deanothedino]

Oh my life.
She voted against any deal.

She is toast.

Because the deals have been shite

[Imploding Turtle]

Oh my life.
She voted against any deal.

She is toast.

Didn't your party's leader, Mr Farage, also criticise those deals claiming that they are "not Brexit"?

[AndrewJB]

Correct, even when it goes against the majority who voted for her.

And will now vote her out.

Are you suggesting Burnley voted for austerity?

[AndrewJB]

Like it or not, there's a good number of older posters giggling when reading your post, " AndrewJB " !!

That's fine. Explain your merriment.

[AndrewJB]

We (the Burnley electorate) will now decide:

Leave with a deal - vote Conservative
Remain - vote Lib Dem (with a open door/free for all immigration policy)

The choice is yours. Use your vote wisely.

Or leave with a better deal, or remain - vote Labour, so you have a choice of the two.

Look at how you cancel out the majority of Burnley voters.

[dsr]

Or leave with a better deal, or remain - vote Labour, so you have a choice of the two.

Look at how you cancel out the majority of Burnley voters.

Labour's proposed deal (they have said so) is one which is as close to being in the EU as possible, the only difference being that we wouldn't have a vote. To you, it's so self-evident that being in the EU is a Good Thing that that's the best deal possible. But step back a moment and put yourself in a leaver's shoes - do you think that would be seen as a better deal than Boris's deal?

[SingaporeClarets]

If you have a choice between a Norway style common market agreement with no say in the regulations imposed on the UK or staying in the EU then what do you choose. Is Labour's choice really a choice? Voting for Julie is a vote for this choice. Consequences of each described below.

The irony is that Brexit is marketed as bringing back control but Labour's Brexit would be about us losing even more control than other EU members. If this is the only choice then surely we remain? So a vote for Labour must be a vote to remain.

Revoking article 50 and remaining this far down the line will not come easily either. We will end up with yet another vote in a few years time when the EU agrees to revoke on the basis that we adopt the Euro and become part of the Schengen Area and then we are back to choosing this or a no deal Brexit, or a deal or the common market and on it will go.

The whole referendum was handled very badly, the compromises in the middle don't work and the choice should have always been as David Cameron himself advised, remain or a no deal Brexit. Had this been clear from the start then we now wouldn't be in a situation where the outcomes are likely to be :

A Brexit deal that breaks up the UK (Con)
Becoming a non voting member (Lab)
Remain with conditions like Euro membership and Schengen Area imposed in return for agreeing to revoke article 50 (LD)

[CardyTheClaret]

To be fair, his level of intellect is likely to make Ringo feel smart. Looking at his twitter feed (which, suspiciously, has no tweets from before October. I wonder what he deleted) he does come across as the stereotypical Brexiteer moron that Leave voters like Ringo would be most drawn to. For example, he likes to call people who disagree with him "traitors" and "commies" and then he likes to complain that the left is intolerant when one of them calls someone else a "traitor to UK workers" (among other things). The hypocrisy is glaring, but if there's one thing we know about stupid people is that they're fine with hypocrisy.

I can certainly see why Ringo likes him.

IT, re-read your post and have a look who is the hypocrite.

[Imploding Turtle]

IT, re-read your post and have a look who is the hypocrite.

What you on about? What is it about my post that you feel makes me a hypocrite?

I'm pretty sure I know what your mistake is, but it'd save us some time if you clarified what you're accusing me of doing.

[mapinchina]

"99% of teachers are commis and don't have a clue about life, they have gone from school to university and back to school, clueless gimps the lot of em".
I teach English in China, I have done so for 11 years.
I did not go to University, I studied for my TEFL qualification, funded by myself.
I will suugest that you may be correct, if you are referring to your teachers as clearly You are a "clueless gimp".

[CardyTheClaret]

What you on about? What is it about my post that you feel makes me a hypocrite?

I'm pretty sure I know what your mistake is, but it'd save us some time if you clarified what you're accusing me of doing.

There’s no mistake.

[Lowbankclaret]

Are you suggesting Burnley voted for austerity?

And what alternative was there to the banks nearly bankrupting the world.

What really gets my goat is the fact no one went to jail.

No rules have changed and when they do it again it will be worse.

[Imploding Turtle]

There’s no mistake.

If you believed that you'd have been explicit about how i've displayed hypocrisy.
Just another coward. You can insinuate, but you can't defend your insinuation.

[Lowbankclaret]

If you have a choice between a Norway style common market agreement with no say in the regulations imposed on the UK or staying in the EU then what do you choose. Is Labour's choice really a choice? Voting for Julie is a vote for this choice. Consequences of each described below.

The irony is that Brexit is marketed as bringing back control but Labour's Brexit would be about us losing even more control than other EU members. If this is the only choice then surely we remain? So a vote for Labour must be a vote to remain.

Revoking article 50 and remaining this far down the line will not come easily either. We will end up with yet another vote in a few years time when the EU agrees to revoke on the basis that we adopt the Euro and become part of the Schengen Area and then we are back to choosing this or a no deal Brexit, or a deal or the common market and on it will go.

The whole referendum was handled very badly, the compromises in the middle don't work and the choice should have always been as David Cameron himself advised, remain or a no deal Brexit. Had this been clear from the start then we now wouldn't be in a situation where the outcomes are likely to be :

A Brexit deal that breaks up the UK (Con)
Becoming a non voting member (Lab)
Remain with conditions like Euro membership and Schengen Area imposed in return for agreeing to revoke article 50 (LD)

That’s a good summary of the situation.

[Lowbankclaret]

Or leave with a better deal, or remain - vote Labour, so you have a choice of the two.

Look at how you cancel out the majority of Burnley voters.

A labour deal would be worse than remaining.

[Imploding Turtle]

A labour deal would be worse than remaining.

You're weird.

Farage says that the deals proposed already are worse than remaining. And you love Farage so much that you're going to be canvassing for his party.
And yet, you've accuse anyone who has voted against those deals of voting against Brexit.

Now you're saying that any Labour deal would be worse than remaining.

Do you see the silly here?

[RingoMcCartney]

Are you saying Julie Cooper isn't like Peter Pike? If so how not?

I'm saying you wont be going in a voting booth in Burnley. You're a metropolitan bubble dweller.

You have no dog in this fight.

[RingoMcCartney]

You're weird.

Farage says that the deals proposed already are worse than remaining. And you love Farage so much that you're going to be canvassing for his party.
And yet, you've accuse anyone who has voted against those deals of voting against Brexit.

Now you're saying that any Labour deal would be worse than remaining.

Do you see the silly here?

Well, obviously we dont actually get to see you, but we do, unfortunately, get to see your idiotic, ramblings on an almost minute by minute basis.

[Imploding Turtle]

I'm saying you wont be going in a voting booth in Burnley. You're a metropolitan bubble dweller.

You have no dog in this fight.

For someone who hates it when other people don't answer your questions (even after they've answered them) you sure find a lot of excuses for not answering other peoples questions.

[RingoMcCartney]

[quote="Greenmile"][/quote]

But I'm not hinting!

[RingoMcCartney]

For someone who hates it when other people don't answer your questions (even after they've answered them) you sure find a lot of excuses for not answering other peoples questions.

Andrew JB has no dog in the fight re Burnley.

You have no dog in the fight re Andrew / Ringo.

[AndrewJB]

A labour deal would be worse than remaining.

I would argue that pretty much every leave scenario is worse than remaining, but at least with Labour's deal you can vote on it. Nobody else is offering a referendum on their deal.

[AndrewJB]

And what alternative was there to the banks nearly bankrupting the world.

What really gets my goat is the fact no one went to jail.

No rules have changed and when they do it again it will be worse.

There was always an alternative. After the Second World War we had a huge deficit issue, and massive unemployment, along with a bombed country and creaking infrastructure. We had austerity then, but not an austerity that destroyed people's lives, and cut services. Instead we created the NHS and built the welfare state, and grew our way out of economic troubles. By the middle of the fifties we had a prosperous society. Now, ten years after the crash we're still worse off. Austerity failed.

I agree with you that people should have been punished for the crash - if not through the legal system, then shamed in society. That this didn't happen, and no rules have really changed shows you who is really in control.

[CardyTheClaret]

If you believed that you'd have been explicit about how i've displayed hypocrisy.
Just another coward. You can insinuate, but you can't defend your insinuation.

I always thought despite being a bit of a cocky, argumentative **** you were actually quite bright.

[martin_p]

For those who are curious, here is Ringo's CV. I'm not really sure why he decided to post it:

Ringo McCartney - passed 11plus. Grammar school educated. HNC with 95 ish% distinctions in all modules. 2.1 in business management. Former independent and tied financial advisor dealing with high net worth clients. Qualified to give advice on pensions, mortgages, savings and lump sum investments for the medium to long term.

Greenmile was indeed wrong. Mortgage advisor was only one of the many strings to Ringo's bow.

Of course if you add ‘self confessed liar’ to the bottom then the rest of it becomes questionable.

[RingoMcCartney]

I always thought despite being a bit of a cocky, argumentative **** you were actually quite bright.

Do not over estimate his intelligence.

He was once asked , while stood inside it, whether a lift was going up or down.


He got it wrong.



Despite having two guesses!........

[ClaretMoffitt]

More right-wing intellectualism.

actually its reasonably accurate