Spijed wrote:Low bank, do you think the Brexit candidate will still stand as it sounds like Farage is wavering over the number of candidates?
Certainly have a lot of admiration for you to go knocking on doors in all weather.Lowbankclaret wrote:I certainly dont have that level of knowledge about the party.
Alli know is Stewart is really keen and would be a good MP.
Spijed wrote:Certainly have a lot of admiration for you to go knocking on doors in all weather.
Spijed wrote:And the Tories aren't?
A candidate who says women are partially to blame if they are raped.
JRM says people are too thick to leave a burning tower block.
A MP who's says JRM is cleverer than people who burnt to death in a tower block.
Based on today, Stewart could do really well.Elizabeth wrote:Burnley won lowbank, you were lucky.
Seriously I think the Brexit Party will do very well in Burnley
Wiped out, as in how many seats do you really think each party will end up with after the election?Top Claret wrote:Have you seen the polls or do you need a trip to spec savers?
Labour are going to get wiped out. Fukin great news for the economy and the union
You're SO Ribble Valley these days, darling !!I luv my wife wrote:Clarets4me
Afraid so to busy buying Christmas cards and a nice electric Christmas tree for the front window from Dawsons of clitheroe
Clarets4me wrote:It appears the runners and riders may now be complete, although the deadline for receipt of nomination papers is Thursday 14th November at 4 pm ...
Labour - Julie Cooper
Conservative - Antony Higginbotham
Lib/Dem - Gordon Birtwistle
Brexit Party - Stewart Scott
B&PIP - Charles Briggs
Green - Dr Laura Fisk
William Hill have Labour at 8/11, Conservative at 2/1, Lib/Dems at 6/1 and Brexit Party at 20/1 .....
It might have been on the other thread, but I've said before that I can't see Labour's vote on Polling Day falling to below it's historical low of 31.3%, or in other terms, between 13 - 14,000. For that to happen, between 25-30% of people who voted Labour in 2017, would have to vote elsewhere or abstain.Lowbankclaret wrote:Have you seen the collapse of the Labour vote in the NW, 55% down to 30% .
I think it’s a fight between Antony and Stewart.
Well I suggest you underestimate the intelligence of Labour voters.Clarets4me wrote:It might have been on the other thread, but I've said before that I can't see Labour's vote on Polling Day falling to below it's historical low of 31.3%, or in other terms, between 13 - 14,000. For that to happen, between 25-30% of people who voted Labour in 2017, would have to vote elsewhere or abstain.
Over 46% of Labour's local election vote in May came from just 3 of the 15 Council wards in Burnley, all with a large proportion of Asian heritage voters. You can be sure they'll be well organised come December 12th.
It would delight some posters to see the pro Brexit Conservatives and the Brexit party battle for their share of 28,000 Burnley " Leave " voters, and come the early hours of 13th December, Labour retain the seat with a historically low number of votes.
If what you say is true then the Conservatives will be heading for a majority that the likes of Margaret Thatcher & Tony Blair could only dream of!Lowbankclaret wrote:Well I suggest you underestimate the intelligence of Labour voters.
They have been told they were to thick to know what they voted for.
The millionaire labour leaders know better than they do and they should get back in their holes.
The leader of the party they have supported is now led by a terrorist supporting , anti army, anti British leader.
WE ARE NOT THICK.
We will vote you out.
If you think Corbyn is all the things you’ve written then I’m afraid you are thick.Lowbankclaret wrote:Well I suggest you underestimate the intelligence of Labour voters.
They have been told they were to thick to know what they voted for.
The millionaire labour leaders know better than they do and they should get back in their holes.
The leader of the party they have supported is now led by a terrorist supporting , anti army, anti British leader.
WE ARE NOT THICK.
We will vote you out.
I'd favour Labour to hold but those odds are crazy,and how on earth are the Lib Dems so low in a seat which voted 66% leave,i can't see the BP winning but i can see them being major spoilers,and taking a good chunk of voters from both major parties,whether their intervention helps Labour or the Conservatives we'll have to wait and see,you'd think it would benefit Labour more,but they could damage the Labour core vote quite a lot,add in the Corbyn factor and this seat could be a tory gain come December.Clarets4me wrote:It appears the runners and riders may now be complete, although the deadline for receipt of nomination papers is Thursday 14th November at 4 pm ...
Labour - Julie Cooper
Conservative - Antony Higginbotham
Lib/Dem - Gordon Birtwistle
Brexit Party - Stewart Scott
B&PIP - Charles Briggs
Green - Dr Laura Fisk
William Hill have Labour at 8/11, Conservative at 2/1, Lib/Dems at 6/1 and Brexit Party at 20/1 .....
entirely,but given the annoyance over brexit,i can see some dyed-in-the-wool Labourites lending their vote to the Conservatives as a one-off,Julie Cooper seems a marmite MP to boot,now in a usual election cycle this could be overcome by Labour,but UK elections are anything but usual just now.
And here's me thinking that the Liberals were opposed to racism, sexism, and ageism ...Clarets4me wrote:Gordon Birtwistle has reposted a link from the Lib/Dem National response team on his Facebook page ...
It says, " Now two old white men want to argue about how to take you out of Europe ... "
The Lib/Dems may have fallen down on the " targeted message " front here ..... both Gordon Birtwistle and Gordon Lishman, their Candidate for the Pendle contest are aged, er .. 72, and most certainly " white brothers " !!!
The thing is that's how you think, not how most people think.Lowbankclaret wrote:Well I suggest you underestimate the intelligence of Labour voters.
They have been told they were to thick to know what they voted for.
The millionaire labour leaders know better than they do and they should get back in their holes.
The leader of the party they have supported is now led by a terrorist supporting , anti army, anti British leader.
WE ARE NOT THICK.
We will vote you out.
He did lay a wreath for terrorists though...aggi wrote:The thing is that's how you think, not how most people think.
Personally I think the odds that someone else put up are probably fairly accurate.
Plus, all this " terrorist supporting , anti army, anti British leader." does make you sound thick. I don't think Corbyn is particularly competent but the anti-British stuff is for those who uncritically believe the Daily Mail and Guido Fawkes and the like.
He did lay a wreath for terrorists though...aggi wrote:The thing is that's how you think, not how most people think.
Personally I think the odds that someone else put up are probably fairly accurate.
Plus, all this " terrorist supporting , anti army, anti British leader." does make you sound thick. I don't think Corbyn is particularly competent but the anti-British stuff is for those who uncritically believe the Daily Mail and Guido Fawkes and the like.
There are no terrorists buried where he laid a wreath.AndyClaret wrote:He did lay a wreath for terrorists though...
With a post like that you’re far too thick to speak for Labour voters.Lowbankclaret wrote:Well I suggest you underestimate the intelligence of Labour voters.
They have been told they were to thick to know what they voted for.
The millionaire labour leaders know better than they do and they should get back in their holes.
The leader of the party they have supported is now led by a terrorist supporting , anti army, anti British leader.
WE ARE NOT THICK.
We will vote you out.
It seems a little inconclusive https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck ... wreath-row" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (and obviously it would be hugely hypocritical for anyone who supports the Brexit party in the North West to complain about a politician supporting terrorists).AndyClaret wrote:He did lay a wreath for terrorists though...
Whilst Labour will remain strong in the Asian dominated areas ,whatever happened to the Asian Lid Dem vote of a couple of elections ago,they will get hammered in other areas of the town.Gannow ,Rosegrove & Lowerhouse and possibly Padiham will see the Labour vote evaporate to next to nothing. Charlie Briggs will poll heavily in these areas maybe not enough to win overall but enough to affect the overall result.My fear is it maybe enough to allow the inept Julie Cooper to sneak home by default.Clarets4me wrote:It might have been on the other thread, but I've said before that I can't see Labour's vote on Polling Day falling to below it's historical low of 31.3%, or in other terms, between 13 - 14,000. For that to happen, between 25-30% of people who voted Labour in 2017, would have to vote elsewhere or abstain.
Over 46% of Labour's local election vote in May came from just 3 of the 15 Council wards in Burnley, all with a large proportion of Asian heritage voters. You can be sure they'll be well organised come December 12th.
It would delight some posters to see the pro Brexit Conservatives and the Brexit party battle for their share of 28,000 Burnley " Leave " voters, and come the early hours of 13th December, Labour retain the seat with a historically low number of votes.
Why, when he says he talks to terrorists to broker peace, doe's he only ever talk to one side ?aggi wrote:It seems a little inconclusive https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck ... wreath-row" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (and obviously it would be hugely hypocritical for anyone who supports the Brexit party in the North West to complain about a politician supporting terrorists).
Plus that doesn't really show any anti-army, anti-British sentiment.
Lord Rothbury wrote:Whilst Labour will remain strong in the Asian dominated areas ,whatever happened to the Asian Lid Dem vote of a couple of elections ago,they will get hammered in other areas of the town.Gannow ,Rosegrove & Lowerhouse and possibly Padiham will see the Labour vote evaporate to next to nothing. Charlie Briggs will poll heavily in these areas maybe not enough to win overall but enough to affect the overall result.My fear is it maybe enough to allow the inept Julie Cooper to sneak home by default.
if there's a similar outcome in Burnley.Who knows, and again it's hugely hypocritical for someone who is supporting the Brexit party to complain about terrorist supporting politicians and there's nothing about him being anti-army/British.AndyClaret wrote:Why, when he says he talks to terrorists to broker peace, doe's he only ever talk to one side ?
Voting in Trinity ward will be interesting. Over the last two years, the Greens have worked that ward assidiously, and in May, overturned a 2015 Labour majority of 441 to a massive 561 of their own. They did something similar last year, but I'm not convinced voters will stay with them in a National Election, especially one where one issue, Brexit, seems so dominant.Lord Rothbury wrote:Whilst Labour will remain strong in the Asian dominated areas ,whatever happened to the Asian Lid Dem vote of a couple of elections ago,they will get hammered in other areas of the town.Gannow ,Rosegrove & Lowerhouse and possibly Padiham will see the Labour vote evaporate to next to nothing. Charlie Briggs will poll heavily in these areas maybe not enough to win overall but enough to affect the overall result.My fear is it maybe enough to allow the inept Julie Cooper to sneak home by default.
What does he stand for other than Brexit? (This isn't a loaded question, genuinely want to know)Lowbankclaret wrote:Based on today, Stewart could do really well.
The Brexit Party have only ONE policy - to leave the EU with a clean (no deal) Brexit. This would immediately result in a hard border across Ireland which is obviously unacceptable.deanothedino wrote:What does he stand for other than Brexit? (This isn't a loaded question, genuinely want to know)
The Johnson deal is crap.Mala591 wrote:The Brexit Party have only ONE policy - to leave the EU with a clean (no deal) Brexit. This would immediately result in a hard border across Ireland which is obviously unacceptable.
With the Johnson deal on the table ready to be signed they have done their job and become irrelevant. They should stand down in all constituencies and allow a three way choice between Conservatives, Labour and Lib Dems.
Labour/SNP coalition - 20/1 with Bet365. Fill your boots. Tory Majority now firm favourite at 8/11. Labour majority now slipped to 20/1 from 12's.mdd2 wrote:I still think we will have a minority Labour Government propped up by SNP to get their second referendum and the Lib dems to stop Brexit by having a second referendum but I expect the Tories to have most seats but too few for a majority Government . All of that will mean more gnashing of teeth in the Commons and by the UK electorate.
We no longer live in interesting times but in worrying times. Thus far the Tories campaign has been shambolic with the latest stupid remarks concerning Labour's spending plans when their manifesto is not out yet. Add to that the balm pot Labour party saying a US trade deal will have us paying £500million more per week for our drugs when they should know Frank Dobson set up Nice which keeps drug costs as low as possible and at every opportunity try and convince us that the only way to run health care is via NHS or the US system.
SHAME ON BOTH THEIR HOUSES.
Beyond the smear campaign: https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.com/ ... w.html?m=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;AndyClaret wrote:Why, when he says he talks to terrorists to broker peace, doe's he only ever talk to one side ?
deanothedino wrote:What does he stand for other than Brexit? (This isn't a loaded question, genuinely want to know)
Mala591 wrote:The Brexit Party have only ONE policy - to leave the EU with a clean (no deal) Brexit. This would immediately result in a hard border across Ireland which is obviously unacceptable.
With the Johnson deal on the table ready to be signed they have done their job and become irrelevant. They should stand down in all constituencies and allow a three way choice between Conservatives, Labour and Lib Dems.
I stopped reading at "McGuiness was not IRA", quite incredible.AndrewJB wrote:Beyond the smear campaign: https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.com/ ... w.html?m=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So what are you voting for exactly?ClaretMoffitt wrote:brexit party will certainly be getting my vote, likewise the rest of the family.
I know that much.
Of course you did.AndyClaret wrote:I stopped reading at "McGuiness was not IRA", quite incredible.
Is this not the NHS policy?Lowbankclaret wrote:Not true to be fair, they have several policies.
Importantly we need one on the NHS and defence.
Judging by his Twitter feed the only other thing I can spot amongst a load of hysterical retweeting of Brexit "facts" is the occasional bit of denying climate change.deanothedino wrote:What does he stand for other than Brexit? (This isn't a loaded question, genuinely want to know)
They’ve refused to do a manifesto. Even the Monster Raving Looney Party used to produce a manifesto.aggi wrote:Judging by his Twitter feed the only other thing I can spot amongst a load of hysterical retweeting of Brexit "facts" is the occasional bit of denying climate change.
https://twitter.com/stewartscott62?lang=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The DUP say different, they despise him.AndrewJB wrote:Of course you did.
Corbyn met with members of Sinn Fein. And if you'd read further you'd see he also met with Loyalist groups - some of whom might also have had involvement with the paramilitary side of things, but he met them in a political capacity. We know now the Thatcher government was speaking with the IRA at the time (while telling everyone she'd never do that).
What's really disgraceful is that people like you take the actions of a man working for peace over thirty years ago, and misrepresent them as being "against our country" - while at the same time Johnson was in a university club that smashed up restaurants, and burned fifty pound notes in front of homeless people. Which of them hates the ordinary people of Britain?