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Taylor

Post by ClaretAL » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:21 pm

Was it just me that thought when Taylor played due to Pieters injury we looked a lot better, and we have been missing that drive on the left hand side and interchange higher up the pitch, as well as the solid defensive duty? I just dont understand why someone one of his calibre and age are wasted sat on the bench. Dyche must see something in training presumably.
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Re: Taylor

Post by bfcmik » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:29 pm

Could it be that SD sees he has someone of equal calibre already has the shirt - and under SD's mantra of team before ego it is for Pieters to lose his grip on the shirt rather than the other way round. Taylor and Pieters are both excellent players with slightly different strengths and both will do the job when out there for a game. Charlie has to keep his self belief and wait for his opportunity. Once he starts a game it will then be his shirt to lose and Pieters will have to play the waiting game - just like Bardsley is doing
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Re: Taylor

Post by Blackrod » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:32 pm

Taylor looked good when he came on. Having said that I have been impressed with Pieters who does not look out of place at this level. I’m surprised at some of the cricicism to be honest.Taylor is better going forward ( but then look at Pieters assists) but Pieters is pretty solid defensively.
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Re: Taylor

Post by Lowbankclaret » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:36 pm

ClaretAL wrote:Was it just me that thought when Taylor played due to Pieters injury we looked a lot better, and we have been missing that drive on the left hand side and interchange higher up the pitch, as well as the solid defensive duty? I just dont understand why someone one of his calibre and age are wasted sat on the bench. Dyche must see something in training presumably.
In his Q and A this week, I think it was in his games for us he was impressed. Pieters that is.

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Re: Taylor

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:36 pm

ClaretAL wrote:Was it just me that thought when Taylor played due to Pieters injury we looked a lot better, and we have been missing that drive on the left hand side and interchange higher up the pitch, as well as the solid defensive duty? I just dont understand why someone one of his calibre and age are wasted sat on the bench. Dyche must see something in training presumably.
He played really well but they did have their right back sent off two minutes after he came on. Pieters has been excellent though and is earning his place on merit.

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Re: Taylor

Post by ElectroClaret » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:40 pm

I really don't think there's much between them, both have their own individual qualities and we're fortunate to have them both.

I'll leave it to SD to decide, and I'll go along with him.
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Re: Taylor

Post by Winstonswhite » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:44 pm

Taylor’s better IMO but Pieters and or the team have to start doing badly for the change to happen. Nothing unusual about that, it’s how 90% of clubs are run.

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Re: Taylor

Post by ClaretAL » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:50 pm

Agreed absolutely fantastic position to be in when you consider other clubs struggling to find a good left back. But for me Taylor is wasting away his prime years on the bench, and Pieters although very good needs to give the attacker a few yards which has caught us out a few times when he is caught in no mans land between the player and stopping the cross.

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Re: Taylor

Post by Burnley1989 » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:53 pm

Ffs

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Re: Taylor

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:53 pm

ClaretAL wrote:Agreed absolutely fantastic position to be in when you consider other clubs struggling to find a good left back. But for me Taylor is wasting away his prime years on the bench, and Pieters although very good needs to give the attacker a few yards which has caught us out a few times when he is caught in no mans land between the player and stopping the cross.
I don’t think the manager agrees with you. I think Pieters has been excellent. Taylor is hardly wasting away his prime years but no matter what the team comes first and some players miss out.

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Re: Taylor

Post by ClaretAL » Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:18 pm

Today again for me Taylor would have been the better option, but i get our point Dyche knows more, but in my naive mind Taylor offers a lot more. I dont have anything against Pieters and he isnt far behind Taylor at all for me, i just think Taylor attacks the player and stops the cross better and also going forward is better.

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Re: Taylor

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:19 pm

Surely Taylor is the better choice, didn't we sign Pieters as cover?

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Re: Taylor

Post by Top Claret » Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:27 pm

We certainly need Bardsley back on the right. If Bardsley comes back Taylor needs bringing back on the left to give us more bite going forward and balance the side

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Re: Taylor

Post by Swizzlestick » Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:52 pm

Pieters should not be in this team ahead of Taylor.

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Re: Taylor

Post by taio » Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:54 pm

Pleased we signed Pieters. But I also think Taylor should be starting.

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Re: Taylor

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:03 pm

I'm amazed anyone can dispassionately look at the respective performances of Pieters and Taylor, and conclude that Pieters is the better choice at left-back.

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Re: Taylor

Post by Vintage Claret 1946 » Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:23 pm

When Taylor played we looked a better side, than with Pieters . But we should be used to certain players not being considered for a starting role no matter how the regulars are playing.

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Re: Taylor

Post by Hibsclaret » Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:25 pm

Boring

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Re: Taylor

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:27 pm

People on here wont be happy until our best left back is dropped.

Bit like back in the day when everyone was clamouring for Easton ahead of Fox.

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Re: Taylor

Post by dougcollins » Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:30 pm

Oh I miss Sheena. He was terrible.


Still, Taylor for me.

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Re: Taylor

Post by Hibsclaret » Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:32 pm

Dyche makes so many mistakes. I just wish he’d read this board and change the team as guided by the insightful majority on here so we can take up our rightful place back in the championship.....

Or he could just continue making us better every season as he does

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Re: Taylor

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:41 pm

Pieters is what I'd class as a typical Dyche player. Steady, does exactly what he's told, 6 out of 10 every week. Similar to a lot of our squad. Unfortunately it means our younger, better left back who is still at an age where he can improve is stuck on the bench.

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Re: Taylor

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:48 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:People on here wont be happy until our best left back is dropped.

Bit like back in the day when everyone was clamouring for Easton ahead of Fox.
Best left back in who's opinion?

Are we talking about the one that continually backs off so the opponent can take all night to put his cross in?

You're obviously an expert left back. How would you solve this?

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Re: Taylor

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:51 am

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:Best left back in who's opinion?

Are we talking about the one that continually backs off so the opponent can take all night to put his cross in?

You're obviously an expert left back. How would you solve this?
He's clearly on another wind up. Taylor is streets ahead of Pieters.

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Re: Taylor

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:53 am

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:Best left back in who's opinion?
Seems to be Dyche’s opinion or in other words the one that counts
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Re: Taylor

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:55 am

Hibsclaret wrote:Seems to be Dyche’s opinion or in other words the one that counts
I think Dyche brought him in and now loses face if he drops him.

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Re: Taylor

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:57 am

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:I think Dyche brought him in and now loses face if he drops him.
Nonsense.

You really have a ridiculous view of our great manager. Loses face....really

He brought Taylor in too. The only difference being it took months for him to get a game....
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Re: Taylor

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:58 am

Hibsclaret wrote:Seems to be Dyche’s opinion or in other words the one that counts
The same Dyche who played Ben Mee out of position at left back for 6 months whilst we had the left back in the league sat on the bench. He isn't always right.

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Re: Taylor

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:59 am

jrgbfc wrote:The same Dyche who played Ben Mee out of position at left back for 6 months whilst we had the left back in the league sat on the bench. He isn't always right.
Yes the same one. He’s absolutely clueless. I think you should take over as you know everything
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Re: Taylor

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:28 am

jrgbfc wrote:The same Dyche who played Ben Mee out of position at left back for 6 months whilst we had the left back in the league sat on the bench. He isn't always right.
Did you know at the time we had the 'best' left back in the league on the bench, or is hindsight helping you out here?

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Re: Taylor

Post by Top Claret » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:34 am

Both our best two full backs have been sat on the bench all season Bardsley and Taylor, their time has surly come
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Re: Taylor

Post by Hapag Lloyd » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:40 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:People on here wont be happy until our best left back is dropped.
Our best left back has been dropped.
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Re: Taylor

Post by ClaretMov » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:44 am

Dyche made two mistakes yesterday he shouldn't have played cork by doing this he changed the midfield from the Leicester game who played quite well.

He should of left Brady out wide and Hendrick in the middle, Jack Cork has been poor for quite a while now saying that he played better today against Chelsea but his overall game over a good few months going back to last season has been poor.

Taylor should also have been left in the team he help's McNeil out better than Pieters.

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Re: Taylor

Post by Swizzlestick » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:47 am

ClaretMov wrote:Dyche made two mistakes yesterday he shouldn't have played cork by doing this he changed the midfield from the Leicester game who played quite well.

He should of left Brady out wide and Hendrick in the middle, Jack Cork has been poor for quite a while now saying that he played better today against Chelsea but his overall game over a good few months going back to last season has been poor.

Taylor should also have been left in the team he help's McNeil out better than Pieters.
Cork played well yesterday.

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Re: Taylor

Post by Blackrod » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:34 am

Thought Cork looked lightweight.

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Re: Taylor

Post by Leisure » Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:25 am

ksrclaret wrote:I'm amazed anyone can dispassionately look at the respective performances of Pieters and Taylor, and conclude that Pieters is the better choice at left-back.
Well the manager obviously does!
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Re: Taylor

Post by burnleymik » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:13 am

Blackrod wrote:Thought Cork looked lightweight.

Yeah, I agree. Gets knocked about far too easily. He did a lot of leg-work running about breaking up play, but sometimes I would love to see him drive forward with the ball into space rather than always opting for a simple sideways or backwards pass.

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Re: Taylor

Post by Swizzlestick » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:23 am

Maybe all the clapping put me off but I thought he drove forward a few times in the game. Certainly the CM who was bringing more to the table.

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Re: Taylor

Post by Murger » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:23 am

Taylor must have ejaculated up Hibs' missus. The dislike for him is unreal.

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Re: Taylor

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:24 am

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:Best left back in who's opinion?

Are we talking about the one that continually backs off so the opponent can take all night to put his cross in?

You're obviously an expert left back. How would you solve this?
Well obviously Dyches for one. Not to mention the stats, particularly assists.

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Re: Taylor

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:25 am

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:I think Dyche brought him in and now loses face if he drops him.
Like Dyche of all people is bothered about losing face. Hes as intelligent a manager there is

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Re: Taylor

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:31 am

burnleymik wrote:Yeah, I agree. Gets knocked about far too easily. He did a lot of leg-work running about breaking up play, but sometimes I would love to see him drive forward with the ball into space rather than always opting for a simple sideways or backwards pass.
I don't get this.
I've complained for a long time now that he isn't strong enough in the tackle, just as you state, but yesterday was his best game for a hell of a long time, and he did win balls in the tackle, and did use it well when he won it. It's easy to forget just how good the 2 centre mids he and Westwood were up against yesterday, but if Jack continues to play like yesterday, I'll be delighted.

As for Charlie it's difficult. I think there isn't a lot between them. I would go Charlie for his age, and he will only get better with more game time, but Sean has always been loyal, and Pieters hasn't done a lot wrong to warrant dropping. He could have been closer to Willian for the 4th, but nobody is perfect. If we picked the team based on one mistake and your out, then Tarks and Westwood will be on the bench next Saturday.......

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Re: Taylor

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:34 am

Murger wrote:Taylor must have ejaculated up Hibs' missus. The dislike for him is unreal.
Nice comment. I think most on here would let our reserve left back do what they want with their Mrs...

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Re: Taylor

Post by ksrclaret » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:36 am

Leisure wrote:Well the manager obviously does!
I refer you back to my original comment.

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Re: Taylor

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:39 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:
As for Charlie it's difficult. I think there isn't a lot between them. I would go Charlie for his age, and he will only get better with more game time, but Sean has always been loyal, and Pieters hasn't done a lot wrong to warrant dropping. He could have been closer to Willian for the 4th, but nobody is perfect. If we picked the team based on one mistake and your out, then Tarks and Westwood will be on the bench next Saturday.......
Totally agree...

Pieters was a bit unlucky with the first half shot that deflected straight to the keeper but let’s all lambast him for the 4th goal when the games already gone.

The person Dyche has intimated as to most of the blame is Tarky because it is really the 2nd goal that is the killer and that’s the one Dyche is most disappointed about..

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Re: Taylor

Post by quoonbeatz » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:44 am

Leisure wrote:Well the manager obviously does!
Except that's a misrepresentation. Surely dyche has been here long enough for people to get how he works by now?

The shirt is yours until you do stop performing well enough to keep it or get injured. Dyche doesn't do 'better' players. That's the point of us having competition in the squad.

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Re: Taylor

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:02 pm

Hasn’t Pieters got more assists than Taylor got in the whole of last season already?

We Still haven’t replaced the quality of Ward in his prime for us imho

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Re: Taylor

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:09 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:Hasn’t Pieters got more assists than Taylor got in the whole of last season already?

We Still haven’t replaced the quality of Ward in his prime for us imho
More than his tim here. But oh. Thats luck.

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Re: Taylor

Post by Tall Paul » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:22 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:Hasn’t Pieters got more assists than Taylor got in the whole of last season already?

We Still haven’t replaced the quality of Ward in his prime for us imho
He's also got more than Ward got in his entire Burnley PL career, so maybe using assists isn't the best method of rating left backs.
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Re: Taylor

Post by Top Claret » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:23 pm

Bar McNeil all the midfield were outplayed and out classed

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