Eng v NZL world cup semi ( Rugby )

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:00 am

Like watching a Dyche Burnley defence that.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:00 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:The commentator's said a few times that this is a huge upset, but these two are ranked 1 and 2 in the world. It's not an upset.

Just ask the All Blacks whether they are upset

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:01 am

Firthy wrote:Just shows the difference between football and rugby with respect to the officials. The way the England players accepted the decision with the disallowed tries was exemplary. Imagine if that had been two disallowed goals, the ref would have been mobbed.

Before VAR they would have been mobbed. I'm kind of impressed by how little mobbing i've seen this season.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:01 am

Over to you, Wales!

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:02 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:You never had your ankle tapped while running? It's quite a common tackle in rugby because rugby players know that if you tap a players' ankle while they're running it takes minimum contact to cause them to fall.

Here he is.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:03 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Like watching a Dyche Burnley defence that.

It crossed my mind... Great stuff.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:03 am

Amazing performance

If it had ended 30-0 l, the Kiwis couldn't have complained, such was the dominance from England

Great to watch.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:03 am

Absolutely gobsmacked and overjoyed. England totally dominated the game and the All Blacks, the result never really looked in doubt. The All Blacks didn't play bad, they just weren't allowed to play such was Englands dominance. Never thought I'd see that in my lifetime.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:04 am

Superb performance. Dominated and only let them get on the score sheet with a monumental balls up.

Don’t see the point comparing football and rugby. Two completely different games.

Redbeard · Post by **Redbeard** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:08 am

Great stuff, England.

Now will it be Wales or South Africa in the final? - I think I'd prefer the Welsh.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:13 am

Brilliant display, a great start to the weekend.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:15 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Here he is.

???

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:16 am

Firthy wrote:Just shows the difference between football and rugby with respect to the officials. The way the England players accepted the decisiond with the disallowed tries was exemplary. Imagine if that had been two disallowed goals, the ref would have been mobbed.

Oh god, not that respect thing again, I've been hearing that for decades.
rugby has always been an elitist game with a miniscule following.
No comparison whatsoever with footballing culture is relevant.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:17 am

No courting controversy by Poo Gash.. There's a surprise. Well Done England .. Good Luck Wales!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:17 am

Redbeard wrote:Great stuff, England.

Now will it be Wales or South Africa in the final? - I think I'd prefer the Welsh.

I want to see an England v Wales final, and i think we'll get it.

It'd be the first time a WC final hasn't included a southern hemisphere side.

TheOriginalLongsider · Post by **TheOriginalLongsider** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:18 am

That was shocking ! In a good way. We didn’t just win, we totally dominated. Was a bit worried after the second disallowed try as I thought England heads went down for a while.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:18 am

Also, that win probably puts England top of the world rankings.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:19 am

Redbeard wrote:Great stuff, England.

Now will it be Wales or South Africa in the final? - I think I'd prefer the Welsh.

I'd prefer South Africa. Wales always seem to up their game against us and we struggle when we play them. I'll still be cheering for Wales tomorrow though.

So much to be impressed about today. No excuses or blame from the All Blacks coach or NZ pundits just total honesty that they were beaten by a better team on the day.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:19 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:Oh god, not that respect thing again, I've been hearing that for decades.
rugby has always been an elitist game with a miniscule following.
No comparison whatsoever with footballing culture is relevant.

I think it’s a very apt comparison. Or are you saying that footballers are generally lower class and therefore can’t act in a sportsmanlike way?

The nonsense in football would soon stop if something proper was done about it.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:19 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:rugby has always been an elitist game with a miniscule following.

If the England football team had got to the final of the World cup the national interest would be ramped up by x1000 at least.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:21 am

DCWat wrote:I think it’s a very apt comparison. Or are you saying that footballers are generally lower class and therefore can’t act in a sportsmanlike way?

The nonsense in football would soon stop if something proper was done about it.

Imagine if there was a quick handshake when a goal was scored and all the players then jogged back to the half way line.

Football would lose all excitement.

TheOriginalLongsider · Post by **TheOriginalLongsider** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:23 am

Hopefully a rendition of Swing Low at the Turf this evening. Especially if Wood is not playing!

Redbeard · Post by **Redbeard** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:23 am

But Firthy just imagine Jon Moss as a rugby referee...

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:24 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:Oh god, not that respect thing again, I've been hearing that for decades.
rugby has always been an elitist game with a miniscule following.
No comparison whatsoever with footballing culture is relevant.

Fair enough but let's agree to disagree. The fact you consider it elitist with a miniscule following IMO shouldn't make any difference in how players should respect officials.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:25 am

Spijed wrote:Imagine if there was a quick handshake when a goal was scored and all the players then jogged back to the half way line.

Football would lose all excitement.

Not referencing celebrations but the respect for officials and their decisions.

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:25 am

Well played England,totally dominated the best team in world rugby..

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:25 am

TheOriginalLongsider wrote:Hopefully a rendition of Swing Low at the Turf this evening. Especially if Wood is not playing!

Even better if he is playing.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:28 am

Redbeard wrote:But Firthy just imagine Jon Moss as a rugby referee...

I'm not sure that my imagination could stretch that far

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:30 am

TheOriginalLongsider wrote:Hopefully a rendition of Swing Low at the Turf this evening. Especially if Wood is not playing!

Followed by The Anti-Football chant

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:33 am

Firthy wrote:Just shows the difference between football and rugby with respect to the officials. The way the England players accepted the decisiond with the disallowed tries was exemplary. Imagine if that had been two disallowed goals, the ref would have been mobbed.

You are right and make a good pount. I did though think we accepted a very poor decision against us last week very well.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:35 am

Magnificent England. To be honest I enjoy this level rugby more than football these days.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:49 am

What a match that Itoje had, seemed like there were three of him at times.

They were all brill though.

What a start to a Saturday, again.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:18 pm

This could be like cricket with me. I don't like either, and don't know a lot of the rules, but may watch the final anyway.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:22 pm

Amazing game and result. Outstanding defending and didn’t let NZ play from the off. Very dominant performance.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:25 pm

Spijed wrote:If the England football team had got to the final of the World cup the national interest would be ramped up by x1000 at least.

rugby union relies heavily on BBC to hype it up, then the lesser commercial stations jump aboard the bandwagon and attempt to make it sound like a big affair.
It isn't. the players and commentators sound like royals, same private schools,
The gullible public can be persuaded to imagine this is something vital, but only for a short period.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:36 pm

Spijed wrote:If the England football team had got to the final of the World cup the national interest would be ramped up by x1000 at least.

Football is 1000x more entertaining though

Aclaret · Post by **Aclaret** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:36 pm

Redbeard wrote:But Firthy just imagine Jon Moss as a rugby referee...

Moss wouldn't have the breath to run and talk at the same time

Redbeard · Post by **Redbeard** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:47 pm

For all that rugby players do respect referees who know what they're doing, after they'd finished with him he might not be breathing at all...

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:50 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:rugby union relies heavily on BBC to hype it up, then the lesser commercial stations jump aboard the bandwagon and attempt to make it sound like a big affair.
It isn't. the players and commentators sound like royals, same private schools,
The gullible public can be persuaded to imagine this is something vital, but only for a short period.

Oh yes and Owen Farrell.with his cut glass accent exemplifies this!!!

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:12 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:rugby union relies heavily on BBC to hype it up, then the lesser commercial stations jump aboard the bandwagon and attempt to make it sound like a big affair.
It isn't. the players and commentators sound like royals, same private schools,
The gullible public can be persuaded to imagine this is something vital, but only for a short period.

Firstly they don’t all sound like Royals. Secondly how the hell does it affect someone’s ability or how good they are. If a Tour De France winner sounds like he’s privately educated does that mean it’s kess of an achievement or it should be less popular. Most of the officers in WW2 would have sounded ‘posh’ but it’s a good job they were good at what they did and we all got behind them.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:15 pm

Spijed wrote:Imagine if there was a quick handshake when a goal was scored and all the players then jogged back to the half way line.

Football would lose all excitement.

That's exactly what we had when I first started watching, and it was fine. Personally I find the modern goal celebrations pathetic, It's a pity that you feel that you need them to brighten up the game, doesn't say a lot for the football that's being played.

Redbeard · Post by **Redbeard** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:18 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Personally I find the modern goal celebrations pathetic...

Me too, Bill.
OTT isn't in it.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:24 pm

Blackrod wrote:Firstly they don’t all sound like Royals. Secondly how the hell does it affect someone’s ability or how good they are. If a Tour De France winner sounds like he’s privately educated does that mean it’s kess of an achievement or it should be less popular. Most of the officers in WW2 would have sounded ‘posh’ but it’s a good job they were good at what they did and we all got behind them.

what cap doffing nonsense you talk, world war 2 officers !!! my god.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:26 pm

boatshed bill wrote:That's exactly what we had when I first started watching, and it was fine. Personally I find the modern goal celebrations pathetic, It's a pity that you feel that you need them to brighten up the game, doesn't say a lot for the football that's being played.

Would our first win against Man U in the Prem with Blake's wonder goal been as special had there been a quick shake of the hands, respectful applause and a jog back to the kick-off, for example?

Likewise, the celebrations at the final whistle against Sheff United in the play-off final?

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:26 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:rugby union relies heavily on BBC to hype it up, then the lesser commercial stations jump aboard the bandwagon and attempt to make it sound like a big affair.
It isn't. the players and commentators sound like royals, same private schools,
The gullible public can be persuaded to imagine this is something vital, but only for a short period.

This is the nonsense. I mean just look at what’s been written.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:28 pm

No problem with the first disallowed try but Georges hand/arm never left the ball so how could he pass it forward? He actually had the ball stolen from him by a teammate.
Thank god it didn’t affect the outcome and how immense our guys were. Nobody makes All Blacks look average but they did today.
They played the players in front of them and not the jerseys. Loved the way they fronted them up at the Hakka. Farrell even laughing at them.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:29 pm

Spijed wrote:Would our first win against Man U in the Prem with Blake's wonder goal been as special had there been a quick shake of the hands, respectful applause and a jog back to the kick-off, for example?

Likewise, the celebrations at the final whistle against Sheff United in the play-off final?

For me, there is a huge difference between the crowd celebrating a goal or result to the players' over the top celebrations.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:38 pm

Blackrod wrote:This is the nonsense. I mean just look at what’s been written.

I don't get your point about "what's been written"

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:59 pm

Might have to be in Leeds early doors next Saturday to watch the final before jumping on train to Sheffield.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 2:12 pm

tim_noone wrote:You know as much as me about rugby...stick to American politics.

He knows nowt about that either